Game Thread: Twins vs Brewers 6/07 @11:10 am Pacific Time (1:10pm CT) Grizzled veteran edition

[formerly33]

 

Damn it, Brock! Do something about these ****ing auto-redirects to the App Store!

He already has. He installed adblock in his server. Simple job simply done. End of story.

[USAFChief]

 

But when you are talking an extension like the original post brought up you HAVE to care about thinks like xFIP, FIP, K/9, BABIP and career numbers.  He has pitched well this year, there's not doubt about that, but you have to take things into consideration.  The bulk of every statistic out there say he cannot keep up an ERA in the 2.50 range, nor should we expect it, especially, especially when bringing up an extension.

I'm not in favor of an extension.  

 

 

[ashbury]

Rosario looked like a lefty batter facing a lefty specialist, on that'un.

[notoriousgod71]

Twins hitting with RISP is quickly regressing to the mean.

[USAFChief]

This all has a bad feeling about it.  Plenty of baserunners, not many runs.

 

 

[notoriousgod71]

 

If Pelfrey keeps this up, how do the Twins not offer him an extension? Obviously, not more than a couple of years, but still...

 

The Twins have been desperate for a staff ace and right now, Pelfrey is an ace.

 

 

Why on Earth would we offer Pelfrey an extension? Just thank your lucky stars with every quality outing he gives us and let him walk.

[Danchat]

Can someone look up the Twins' RISP with the bases loaded? I swear we never get any runs with the bases loaded.

 

We probably have a very high standard RISP and the league's worst bases loaded batting average.

[Danchat]

 

Why on Earth would we offer Pelfrey an extension? Just thank your lucky stars with every quality outing he gives us and let him walk.

He's gonna get too expensive. He could easily get injured and revert back to bad Pelfrey. No thank you. We already have enough starters under contract. (Nolasco, Santana, Hughes, and Gibson are locks. Maybe Berrios will be a starter in 2016?)

[JB_Iowa]

I'm confused about Polanco.

 

Is this one of those last names where the Twins have more than one prospect with the same last name?

 

Or are you talking about Jorge Polanco at Chattanooga?  Because I'm not sure I want them to bring up a SS who has already made 12 errors this year at AA.

[LaBombo]

 

If Pelfrey keeps this up, how do the Twins not offer him an extension? Obviously, not more than a couple of years, but still...

 

The Twins have been desperate for a staff ace and right now, Pelfrey is an ace.

 

As the saying goes, don't look a gift horse or Sarah Jessica Parker in the mouth, or you'll miss out on the good parts.  Pelfrey has provided good starts for a team that spent the last four years fielding a rotation that mostly looked like it was selected randomly from the independent leagues.

 

That being said, Pelfrey's success so far this season is very likely the Mystic Lake kind, not the Warren Buffet kind.  Pitchers whose K and BB rates are within tin can telephone distance of each other tend to go Joe Mays eventually.  "Eventually" as in months, not years.

 

And speaking of Joe, he and Blackburn are pretty good examples of what ends up happening to the money and innings you 'invest' in a long term deal for a vanilla pitch-to-contact guy.

[Platoon]

It's a tricky thing, in my mind, and every player is different. So how long do you keep letting a player struggle before doing something, and then for how long? You are one of the guys who think the team should be doing what it takes to win each year, so, is this helping us win? (Rhetorical, because that's really impossible to answer.) This is where I really wish I were a fly in the wall when players in various levels are discussed. But, I don't think Santana is helping at this point and being here isn't helping him, and I don't think we'd be harmed by Esco at short for 4 weeks or so, with maybe some Polanco mixed in. <shrug>

A lot has been written about Polanco's arm being a little short, for short! . More suited for second base. I don't think Escobar is an upgrade, maybe a placeholder for?? As for Santana, last year he went up and just swung. He was a very good bad ball hitter, and this year he is spending his time trying NOT to strike out. His long at bat yesterday was painful to watch. He never got one decent swing in. Something, or someone has turned him into a very defensive hitter.

[Danchat]

 

I'm confused about Polanco.

 

Is this one of those last names where the Twins have more than one prospect with the same last name?

 

Or are you talking about Jorge Polanco at Chattanooga?  Because I'm not sure I want them to bring up a SS who has already made 12 errors this year at AA.

Yes, it's Jorge Polanco. His bat looks MLB-ready, but his defense definitely isn't.

 

But hey! We need a DH anyways! We could add another should-be-infielder-DH!

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 And I DO absolutely want the Twins to do everything in their power to win NOW, rather than playing for the future.  IMO, there's no future in playing for the future.

Even really good teams don't always find themselves in first place in mid-June.

 

Kansas City is more than capable of some insane 50-28 type start one of these years, which would leave everyone else in the dust. Twins are in first place and should adjust accordingly!

[SwainZag]

 

Can someone look up the Twins' RISP with the bases loaded? I swear we never get any runs with the bases loaded.

 

We probably have a very high standard RISP and the league's worst bases loaded batting average.

 

Before today with the bases loaded they were:

 

13/39.  .333/.329/.513.  Batting average they would be 8th in the league with the bases loaded.

 

With runners in scoring position:

 

198/457.   .298/.369/.451.  Batting average wise they would be 4th in the league with RISP.

[notoriousgod71]

More RISPY ness.

[JB_Iowa]

Anybody else lose the site temporarily??

 

Brock messing around with something?

[LaBombo]

 

MIke Pelfrey ace? No. Mike Palfrey good? Meh. Career ERA+ of 90, career FIP of 4.24. He is what he is. A mediocre pitcher. 

 

Just like Santana's minor league numbers were mediocre and a .400 BABIP last year suddenly made people forget that. Or Escobar's minor league numbers were mediocre and after last year that was forgotten? 

 

If Pelfrey settles in as a 4th starter who pitches 180 innings and posts a 4.25-4.50 ERA he would have value to most teams.  To the 2011-14 Twins he would be invaluable.

 

Santana is suffering from two things.  One is an inaccurate 'phenom' label.  DickBert made him out to be some sort of prodigy who managed the baseball equivalent of going directly from half-day kindergarten to middle school, when all he really did was arrive in the majors during his age 24 season.

 

The other problem is that, as a-wan noted,  when you drop 100 points of BABIP from your rookie to your sophomore season, well, in the immortal words of David Alan Grier as Maya Angelou giving her hypothetical John McCain inaugural address, "Ain't that a b!tch!".

 

 

Santana is fun to watch and may still be the best bet in the system for a decent SS in the near future, but good Lord, in his last 50 plate appearances he's looked like a man being attacked by wasps.

[Circus Boy]

 

Must I see Bo Ryan on FSN?  I understand they're trying to make money by selling commercial time, but geez, have some pride, ferpetesakes.

 

As long as it's not Viagra, I'm cool with it.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

His long at bat yesterday was painful to watch. He never got one decent swing in.

The same can be said for his at bat in the 6th today, which actually resulted in a base hit. He looked defensive and the 2nd baseman misplayed it.

[USAFChief]

 

As long as it's not Viagra, I'm cool with it.

Bo Ryan does Viagra commercials, too?

 

 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

If Pelfrey settles in as a 4th starter who pitches 180 innings and posts a 4.25-4.50 ERA he would have value to most teams.  To the 2011-14 Twins he would be invaluable.

 

Santana is suffering from two things.  One is an inaccurate 'phenom' label.  DickBert made him out to be some sort of prodigy who managed the baseball equivalent of going directly from half-day kindergarten to middle school, when all he really did was arrive in the majors during his age 24 season.

 

The other problem is that, as a-wan noted,  when you drop 100 points of BABIP from your rookie to your sophomore season, well, in the immortal words of David Alan Grier as Maya Angelou giving her hypothetical John McCain inaugural address, "Ain't that a b!tch!".

 

 

Santana is fun to watch and may still be the best bet in the system for a decent SS in the near future, but good Lord, in his last 50 plate appearances he's looked like a man being attacked by wasps.

As only you could say it

[twinsnorth49]

 

He already has. He installed adblock in his server. Simple job simply done. End of story.

As an owner of the site, probably not.

[formerly33]

 

Anybody else lose the site temporarily??

 

Brock messing around with something?

Surprisingly, for the first time in my life that I've had problems with TD, I didn't suspect Brock. Must mean something.

[formerly33]

 

As an owner of the site, probably not.

I actually have evidence to back my statement.

[USAFChief]

Pelf for the 8th?

 

I say no.  7 shutout innings is enough, pitch count up into the 90's, he looked a bit wobbly to me in the 7th.  Falling behind, good swings, hard hit baseballs.

[stringer bell]

What is up with this thread? A majority is about baseball.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Pelf for the 8th?

 

I say no.  7 shutout innings is enough, pitch count up into the 90's, he looked a bit wobbly to me in the 7th.  Falling behind, good swings, hard hit baseballs.

Bottom of order, right? Bring him out for one more.

[Danchat]

 

Before today with the bases loaded they were:

 

13/39.  .333/.329/.513.  Batting average they would be 8th in the league with the bases loaded.

 

With runners in scoring position:

 

198/457.   .298/.369/.451.  Batting average wise they would be 4th in the league with RISP.

Thanks for posting this.

 

Apparently I was very wrong. I'm OK with that.

[glunn]

 

Pelf for the 8th?

 

I say no.  7 shutout innings is enough, pitch count up into the 90's, he looked a bit wobbly to me in the 7th.  Falling behind, good swings, hard hit baseballs.

Who should they put in?

[glunn]

 

What is up with this thread? A majority is about baseball.

 

We need a win today.