Realistic trade return ideas

[tobi0040]

 

As per MLBtraderumors.com:

 

The Twins and Brewers have had some preliminary trade chats, Mike Berardino of the St. Paul Pioneer-Press reports (Twitter links). It is not clear precisely what players were under discussion, though Berardino indicates that Milwaukee lefty Neal Cotts could hold some appeal to Minnesota.

 

Cotts would certainly be an upgrade over Thompson at this point. 9.74 K/9 and lefties hitting .190/.224/.309 against him.  Also has 18/2 K/BB against lefties with 60 batters faced.  He is on a one year deal and is 35 years old, so would be certainly a half season rental, but he would add value, IMO.

 

Duensing is the guy that always makes the trades work......

[drjim]

I would absolutely approve of that move, shouldn't cost too much.

[blairpaul715]

 

......And this next idea would never happen now, he is a probably a Twins untouchable, but Dozier for Atlantas 2B Jace Peterson and Jose Peraza(31 on MLB 100 list).

Um, YEA, um, scratch this idea!!!!!!!!

[nicksaviking]

Hamels will be 32 next year and the team would be on the hook for him through his age 35 season. He would be moving to the AL and cost 22M per year. Why would any team be impatient and foolish enough to commit to four starters on long term deals past their age 30 season? I don't even want one such pitcher, they're time bombs.

 

I would rather have May the next four years over Hamels. The odds of Hamels staying healthy and productive are much less.

[mudcat14]

How about Arcia for Clippard?  Would that be enough, or would a minor-league arm need to go too?  Anyone outside our top 15 or so might be worth it.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Please don't trade Arcia for a reliever.... 

[stringer bell]

 

Please don't trade Arcia for a reliever.... 

You mean Oswaldo Wilson Ramos Arcia?

[Brock Beauchamp]

Please don't trade Arcia for a reliever....

Bill Smith is not the GM. I think the chances of Arcia being traded for a reliever are non-existent unless it's a young fireballer with years of control and I still don't know if Ryan makes that trade.

[DaveW]

Please don't trade Arcia for a reliever....

I'd include him in a heartbeat for Chapman.

[DaveW]

Cubs need some pitching help, how about Pelfrey and Escobar for Starlin Castro?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Bill Smith is not the GM. I think the chances of Arcia being traded for a reliever are non-existent unless it's a young fireballer with years of control and I still don't know if Ryan makes that trade.

To be fair, Ramos was a year-plus younger than Arcia is now, with virtually zero MLB service time.  He was more valuable in July 2010 than Arcia is now.  Arcia is still worth more than a Matt Capps type, but I could see him being flipped for a good reliever who doesn't quite fit your criteria (not necessarily young, and maybe only 1.5 years of control).

[drjim]

 

I'd include him in a heartbeat for Chapman.

 

I would too.

[Rosterman]

I think the Twins will be doing some revaluting on long-term pitcher contracts. Right now, they should be more than happy to move, say, Nolasco or even Santana if the price wsa right. They have some arms in the system and you can always sign a first-rung pitcher, but then you are stuck with them. Not sure if I would give up the future for Hamels. I would rather see May in the rotation and still have faith that Meyer will develop into at least a closer candidate, if nothing else. The Twns are sitting on some 30 potential pitching pospects, half of them starters (who could also be relief pitchers). Going into next season alone, none could crack the rotation, although Berrios will be getting a long look. Hughes, May and Gibson are showing themselves as solid guys and could increase their own value as trade chips. Unless the Twins offense becomes really tight, the investment in trading prospects (which, yes, the TwinsHAVE to do at some point becuase they can't keep/protect them all) is a given. 

 

The Twins have a lot of players that won't bring value. They have a lot of prospects that MAY have value, but on the whole, many teams are just going to wait and see how the Twins handle these guys and pick them up in Rule 5 or waiver or minor league free agent situations. A lot of good players are a team's 25th or 41st player.

 

 

 

[rico7961]

I really think an 8th inning setup man, who could really pitch is the Twins biggest priority, up until the trade deadline. But a couple of intriguing players to me, that might be available for the right price are Starlin Castro and Jonathan Lucroy. Castro is signed and owed 37M thru 2019, with a club option of 16M for 2020. A lot of contract to take on, but maybe a player worth it, for the right trade price. Lucroy is signed and owed 4M for 2016, with a club option of 5.25m for 2017. Lucroy would be a very solid addition for the Twins, but I'm sure the price would be high. Just 2 players who "might" be available and could help the Twins if the trade was right and they wanted to take on some contract. Castro would be a "gamble". But at times he can really play the game.

[mudcat14]

 

Please don't trade Arcia for a reliever.... 

 

I get your point.  I'm just not sure I agree for two reasons;

 

First, Tyler Clippard is not Matt Capps.  He's got better stuff and a much longer track record. Plus he's already proven his worth in the more offensive driven, DH utilizing, American League.

 

Secondly, I think the Twins have already moved past Arcia as a building block to the future.  I understand not calling him up this week with the All-Star break looming.  But if he's not up Thursday with the roll he's been on, that is a clear signal the Twins have lost faith in him.  Seriously, there are no AB's for him with the big club at OF/DH because he's blocked by Hunter, Sano, Rosario & Hicks?  Give any of those four, or Plouffe, or Mauer a day off and a spot opens for Oswaldo.  They could all start 5-6 games per week.  If they don't feel he can help now with the way he's swinging the stick, then they never will.  

 

Now with all that being said, you're probably right about Arcia being too much to give up for an impending FA reliever.  But I do think he and Plouffe are the two most valuable assets the Twins would consider moving.  

[Andrew]

The Twins have no chance at getting Lucroy unless we give them something absolutely ridiculous.

[mudcat14]

 

The Twins have no chance at getting Lucroy unless we give them something absolutely ridiculous.

Is this ridiculous enough? 

 

Brewers get;

 

Oswaldo Arcia     - young, slugging LH OF (reunite him with kid brother, the Crew's #1 prospect)

 

AB Walker II        - young, RH slugging OF (hometown boy for the fan base)

 

Stuart Turner       - young, defensive-minded backstop who still has offensive potential

 

Kohl Stewart        - young, strong armed RH SP with 1st round pedigree

 

Twins get;

 

Jonathan Lucroy

 

Francisco Rodriguez

 

 

[nicksaviking]

Is this ridiculous enough? 

 

Brewers get;

 

Oswaldo Arcia     - young, slugging LH OF (reunite him with kid brother, the Crew's #1 prospect)

 

AB Walker II        - young, RH slugging OF (hometown boy for the fan base)

 

Stuart Turner       - young, defensive-minded backstop who still has offensive potential

 

Kohl Stewart        - young, strong armed RH SP with 1st round pedigree

 

Twins get;

 

Jonathan Lucroy

 

Francisco Rodriguez

So basically two guys in Turner and Stewart, who are a hair away from being written off as prospects, and the two most devisive young players in the system?

[Siehbiscuit]

Catcher needs to be addressed in the off-season for sure. I'd personally like to see the youth movement continue and give Polanco a look at SS.

 

Trade wise, i think we need swing and miss guys in the bullpen. I'd move May to higher leverage spots and consider giving Meyer another look.

[DaveW]

 

So basically two guys in Turner and Stewart, who are a hair away from being written off as prospects, and the two most devisive young players in the system?

Stewart isn't even close to being written off as a prospect, he is still very raw and it was always known that best case scenario would be him being ready around 2018.

 

I don't see the Twins getting Lucroy, the price would be pretty damn high.  For comparisons sake just think of what you would want the Twins to get for Dozier in a trade, and there is a very good chance that LuCroy would cost more than that. You are likely talking Berrios+someone like May and another piece for Lucroy.

 

I'd prefer to take a run at one of the Rockies catchers or Pierzynski.

 

 

[drjim]

 

Stewart isn't even close to being written off as a prospect, he is still very raw and it was always known that best case scenario would be him being ready around 2018.

 

I don't see the Twins getting Lucroy, the price would be pretty damn high.  For comparisons sake just think of what you would want the Twins to get for Dozier in a trade, and there is a very good chance that LuCroy would cost more than that. You are likely talking Berrios+someone like May and another piece for Lucroy.

 

I'd prefer to take a run at one of the Rockies catchers or Pierzynski.

 

Not sure Lucroy is more valuable than Dozier, but the conversation definitely starts with Berrios.

[DaveW]

 

Not sure Lucroy is more valuable than Dozier, but the conversation definitely starts with Berrios.

I think it's pretty close. Lucroy was a 6.5 WAR player last year (basically what Dozier is on pace for this year)

All things being equal I would take Dozier, but I think they are certainly in the same "ball park" value wise. The Brewers really have no reason to trade him at this point, they easily could trade him for great value in another year or two anyways, so it would take a truly amazing package to net him. I just don't see it happening.

[mudcat14]

 

So basically two guys in Turner and Stewart, who are a hair away from being written off as prospects, and the two most devisive young players in the system?

Well no, basically the #6, #12 & #13 prospects from one of the top 2-3 rated farm systems in the game, plus a just turned 24-year old who already has 36 MLB HR's.  It may not be what the Crew wants, but it's not snot!  Seems fair for a 29-year old one-term AS catcher and well traveled 33-year old reliever.

[drjim]

 

I think it's pretty close. Lucroy was a 6.5 WAR player last year (basically what Dozier is on pace for this year)

All things being equal I would take Dozier, but I think they are certainly in the same "ball park" value wise. The Brewers really have no reason to trade him at this point, they easily could trade him for great value in another year or two anyways, so it would take a truly amazing package to net him. I just don't see it happening.

 

i agree, same ballpark of value and very little chance the Brewers move him.

[biggentleben]

 

Another trade idea, and we are not trading anything of Major league value this inseason as long as we are in a hunt for a Wild Card or division title.......but maybe more for offseason, but I am a Braves fan also(but much more a Twins fan) ..................but Plouffe to Atlanta, they need a 3B badly and maybe we could get Peraza to be our SS, very good player and a true SS blocked by the best defensive SS in baseball.......And this next idea would never happen now, he is a probably a Twins untouchable, but Dozier for Atlantas 2B Jace Peterson and Jose Peraza(31 on MLB 100 list).

 

No, the Braves do not need a 3B badly. Uribe has been very solid for them since the trade, especially on defense, which is a huge determining factor for the Braves, otherwise Peraza would have been the opening day 2B.

[blairpaul715]

 

No, the Braves do not need a 3B badly. Uribe has been very solid for them since the trade, especially on defense, which is a huge determining factor for the Braves, otherwise Peraza would have been the opening day 2B.

Uribe is 36 yrs old, Braves want younger and controllable for 2017, Plouffe would fit that. Again, Twins wont be trading away anyone that is helping them to where they are if they are in the hunt at deadline, so this would be a better offseason trade idea.

[diehardtwinsfan]

Not sure Arcia would be a fit in Milwaukee.  If they traded Lucroy, it's them suggesting it's time to rebuild, picking up Arcia really doesn't help them in that capacity.  He's gone by the time their prospects are ready to play.

[rico7961]

 

Is this ridiculous enough? 

 

Brewers get;

 

Oswaldo Arcia     - young, slugging LH OF (reunite him with kid brother, the Crew's #1 prospect)

 

AB Walker II        - young, RH slugging OF (hometown boy for the fan base)

 

Stuart Turner       - young, defensive-minded backstop who still has offensive potential

 

Kohl Stewart        - young, strong armed RH SP with 1st round pedigree

 

Twins get;

 

Jonathan Lucroy

 

Francisco Rodriguez

No way the TWINS consider giving up that much. That is a fair offer, but to much for the Twins to give up in a trade.

[mudcat14]

Would Jonathon Papelbon be worth a look as an 8th inning guy?  He's owed half of $13mill for this season and his $13mil 2016 option vests if he finishes 19 more games this year.  Clearly, he wouldn't accomplish that with Perkins getting the saves, but would probably accept a trade if the option was guaranteed. 

 

Seems like the Twins could get him for next to nothing if we eat the salary, but the Phil's would require a hefty return if we made them pay the bulk.  Is either scenario desirable?  I'd love to see a boost to the pen going down the stretch.  $18-20mil for a year and a half is huge, but adding his arm for a minimal return could be sweet.

[Otto von Ballpark]

Papelbon will not be traded for next to nothing. $19 mil for 1.5 years of a closer performing at his level is not an onerous burden, and as messy as they are, the Phillies do not seem desperate for that level of immediate salary relief.

 

Ryan Howard, on the other hand...