Any News About Santana's Knee

[ScottyB]

Thought I'd start a thread to track this. What the heck do we do if he has to go on the DL? With Nunez and Plouffe out, that leaves only infielders Florimon and Escobar (and of course Dozier) and no backup in center. Losing Danny for 2 weeks would be disasterous.

[JB_Iowa]

Last I read was that he said it felt somewhat better after having it iced.

 

I also think he is scheduled for an MRI this morning so we should know more by gametime.

 

As for today, unless they overnighted someone, they need to stay healthy.

[Brandon]

Beware of the potential return of Doug Bernier. Unless they bring up Romero and put Escobar back at 3rd.

[ScottyB]

Beware of the potential return of Doug Bernier. Unless they bring up Romero and put Escobar back at 3rd.

 

You mean Escobar back to short. Bernier makes sense, but either way who comes off the 40-man?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Losing Danny for 2 weeks would be disasterous.

 

I agree -- but I'm not sure how I feel about that.

 

Kris Atteberry said losing Santana would be like losing 3 players: your shortstop, your leadoff hitter, and your backup center fielder. But Santana did not start the season on the Twins and wasn't really part of the 2014 plan. Other guys have been producing just fine.

 

Also. Nunez shouldn't have been put on DL in my opinion. He was running and said he was ready. A pitcher should have been DFA'd or optioned.

[jokin]

I agree -- but I'm not sure how I feel about that.

 

Kris Atteberry said losing Santana would be like losing 3 players: your shortstop, your leadoff hitter, and your backup center fielder. But Santana did not start the season on the Twins and wasn't really part of the 2014 plan. Other guys have been producing just fine.

 

Also. Nunez shouldn't have been put on DL in my opinion. He was running and said he was ready. A pitcher should have been DFA'd or optioned.

 

A lot has changed since April 1. The Twins have lost or demoted 3 CFers and 1 SS. Santana has taken on a significant role in both positions in that wake, plus he's taken the role of leadoff man by the throat, he would represent a huge loss in production if he's DLd.

 

It has been reported that Nunez will need a rehab assignment past this coming Monday, so the injury will turn out to be extra costly if Santana also goes down. I get your point about the 13th pitcher, but Terry Ryan sounds like he was pretty stubborn about not liking the rostered option bats in Rochester, or messing with the 40-man to promote Romero or another IF.

[halfchest]

You mean Escobar back to short. Bernier makes sense, but either way who comes off the 40-man?

 

Has Pelfrey gone to the 60 day yet?

[ScottyB]

Has Pelfrey gone to the 60 day yet?

 

Yes when we brought up Pino

[jorgenswest]

The mistake in planning came two weeks ago when they should have called up Romero (or Bernier) instead of Florimon in Pelfrey's spot. After that, let Deduno have one more start (no need to spend a 40 on Pino) and use the day off to slot May in.

 

Now that they have missed that opportunity, they truly need to assess whether Plouffe will be back on Monday. If not, they still need Romero (or Bernier). They can add him and release Guerrier or Deduno.

 

For today, if Escobar or Florimon go down (or even if they pinch hit for Florimon) who goes to 3B?

 

Mauer? Willingham? He played there in A-Ball.

[Brandon]

If Plouffe is coming back on Monday then we just need to get by till then. I thought we would only have Florimon and Escobar available for SS and 3B in the event that Escobar is hurt. 1 day is ok. 3 is pushing it but we can manage if we have to. We can always try Mauer at 3B for a game and bring in Parmelee to play 1B.

[jokin]

The mistake in planning came two weeks ago when they should have called up Romero (or Bernier) instead of Florimon in Pelfrey's spot. After that, let Deduno have one more start (no need to spend a 40 on Pino) and use the day off to slot May in.

 

Now that they have missed that opportunity, they truly need to assess whether Plouffe will be back on Monday. If not, they still need Romero (or Bernier). They can add him and release Guerrier or Deduno.

 

For today, if Escobar or Florimon go down (or even if they pinch hit for Florimon) who goes to 3B?

 

Mauer? Willingham? He played there in A-Ball.

 

Bingo. Some real 40-man stubbornness, perhaps pigheadedness in the FO, and a failure to learn from the self-inflicted OF mess from just 2 months ago. Unreal- if no more moves are made before Monday, there's a real chance that someone, even a pitcher, might have to play a position they've never played before- and of course, no pinch-hitting depth.

[jokin]

If Plouffe is coming back on Monday then we just need to get by till then. I thought we would only have Florimon and Escobar available for SS and 3B in the event that Escobar is hurt. 1 day is ok. 3 is pushing it but we can manage if we have to. We can always try Mauer at 3B for a game and bring in Parmelee to play 1B.

 

It would actually be 4 days. And what about if Fuld and an IF go down?

[Halsey Hall]

If Plouffe is ready I'd send him to AAA for 2 weeks. I like Esco at 3rd, and now Polanco is here.

[stringer bell]

Seriously Halsey, what did Trevor Plouffe ever do to you? His numbers, both offensively and defensively, are league average. He definitely has improved hitting with runners in scoring position and defensively, but you think he's not as good as 20-year-old Jorge Polanco?

[JB_Iowa]

• Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino 11m
  MRI results could be back on Santana by later this afternoon
   
   
  

[gil4]

• Mike Berardino ‏@MikeBerardino 11m
  MRI results could be back on Santana by later this afternoon
  

 

Dr Gil (definitely not a doctor) guesses torn meniscus, young enough for a repair, out 6-8 weeks (longer than the 4-6 for a chop & go, but better in the long run).

 

It looked like he jammed it a bit on first base and it looked like something was catching in there. When he was being eval'd by the trainer, he could put weight on it (probably not ACL), and could run a bit, but then something caused him to pull up again.

 

Hopefully I'm wrong and he just have to stay off it for a couple of days, but it didn't look very good.

[James]

Just a bone bruise. He is day to day.

[jokin]

Just a bone bruise. He is day to day.

 

Are we sure about that? A bone bruise can be fairly serious:

 

What is a bone bruise?

The term bone bruise is a misnomer and makes the injury seem less serious than it is. A so-called bone bruise is actually a fracturing of the inner layer of bone.

 

 

 

What is the normal treatment for a bone bruise?

I usually recommend bracing or other immobilization of the area to allow it time to heal and to protect it from additional injury that can be caused by bearing weight on the injured area. Activities also need to be restricted during this healing period, particularly sports play, which can result in additional acute trauma, causing greater injury and/or prolonging the healing time.

 

How long do you normally expect recovery to take?

Recovery can take several months because the inner layer of bone takes longer to heal than the outer bone.

 

http://www.tsaog.com/connect-learn-interact/blog/blog/2013/03/06/dr.-marvin-brown-on-why-bone-bruise-is-a-misnomer

[Craig Arko]

They shoot shortstops, don't they?

[JB_Iowa]

Are we sure about that? A bone bruise can be fairly serious:

 

It is the information the Twins are releasing:

 

Rookie shortstop Danny Santana has been diagnosed with a bone bruise in his left knee and is day to day.

 

Santana, who suffered the injury Wednesday night while running out a double, underwent a magnetic resonance imaging exam (MRI) that showed no abnormalities in his ligaments or meniscus.

 

http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2014/06/26/twinsights-mri-shows-bone-bruise-for-danny-santana/

 

 

They may be wrong but that is obviously the word they are putting out. Its what Dick/Bert said; what was said on the radio; what was tweeted by numerous sources.

 

 

(And I have to think this happened at some other time not on the play in question. I also don't know if I trust what the Twins are saying but it is clearly what they ARE saying.)

[JB_Iowa]

• Rhett Bollinger ‏@RhettBollinger 1m
  Gardenhire said there's still a chance Santana goes on the DL if his knee doesn't feel better soon. Santana was hopeful he won't go on DL.
   
   
  

[DocBauer]

Obviously, we all hope it's a minor bruise, strain, etc., and he really is just day to day for a few days. Worse case scenario, I hope, is a 2 week stint to rest. Hard to type and cross fingers at the same time but I'm trying.

 

If out 2 weeks, God forbid any longer, Dozier moves back to lead off. That in itself isn't a terrible thing. But what to do at #2? I believe the answer is a mish-mash of Escobar at SS, and Fuld in certain matchups against some RH's. Short term at least, workable. Especially if Plouffe is indeed back soon.

 

Now, if Plouffe isn't ready for some reason, and it doesn't sound like it will be a problem, then the Twins have to make a 40 man move somewhere/somehow, and promote Romero for a shot at 3B. Despite the disappointing 3 game series against the Angels, now is not the time to throw your hands up. The season is going pretty well, there is excitement and fun, at least a possibility of more/better, and the team is building toward a better future. Again, it's not the time to just give up or give in and settle. And that's what you did if you put Escobar at 3B and Florimon at SS for anything more than a couple days.

 

Escobar has proven himself at SS, and should maintain his spot there, and as mentioned, he could provide a decent option at 2 for now. Romero deserves his shot in this scenario. He's been a good organization guy, not enough in of itself to deserve a promotion, but he is an actual 3B. And while his defense may prove to be average at best, once again, he is a true 3B. And his bat would surely provide much more offense than anything Florimon could provide. This aids the overall lineup. And if Nunez would also be out, I suppose Florimon could provide a little SS backup, and maybe allow Escobar to slide to third for a late game option.

 

Of course, this whole scenario changes if Plouffe is back soon and Nunez the same or close. And if the baseball gods smile on us, which they haven't done much lately, it will all be moot as Santana also will only have a very short term injury issue.

[jokin]

• Rhett Bollinger ‏@RhettBollinger 1m
  Gardenhire said there's still a chance Santana goes on the DL if his knee doesn't feel better soon. Santana was hopeful he won't go on DL.
  

 

So.....it's NOT what they're saying, then?

[jokin]

FWIW, Tim Laudner on the postgame show said the Santana injury "doesn't sound good". And then there's this:

 

Mike Berardino

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@

MikeBerardino

DL hasn't been ruled out for Danny Santana, Gardy said. Didn't think he was moving around very well today when he jogged briefly.

[TKGuy]

You mean Escobar back to short. Bernier makes sense, but either way who comes off the 40-man?

 

Florimon, batting under .100, unbelievably bad

[Thrylos]

If out 2 weeks, God forbid any longer, Dozier moves back to lead off. That in itself isn't a terrible thing.

 

Observation: Did you notice who Gardy had leading off today? Not Dozier. The guy with the second lowest OBP in the team after Florimon.

[DocBauer]

Observation: Did you notice who Gardy had leading off today? Not Dozier. The guy with the second lowest OBP in the team after Florimon.

 

I did not until I checked. But it's only one game. But remember who was out lead off hitter before the Santana emergence?

 

Fingers are cramping from being crossed.

 

(about ready to sacrifice a bucket of KFC's best)

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Florimon, batting under .100, unbelievably bad

 

Unfortunately so. And wherever his average is today, that's where it ought to finish the season at.

[jokin]

Florimon, batting under .100, unbelievably bad

 

And he muffed the pop fly. He really should be DFAd tonight, with another player added to cover 3rd until Plouffe is back. The Twins margin for error was thin enough before Santana went down, they really can't afford to have an automatic out, who now has a somewhat suspect glove, as well.

[DocBauer]

Has anyone's value done a downturn faster than Florimon in recent history? Even fans of his defense and speed, hopeful of a decent and maybe slightly improved player on 2014 have soured on him.

 

Id love to just be able to keep him at Rochester for the rest of the year, as a just in case option, if nothing else. But I'm now of the opinion he might be a DFA option if necessary to improve the roster.

 

This SHOULD be a moot point as Plouffe is reportedly back in a couple days. Not sure why Nunez would need any rehab time unless the Twins are just playing the roster shuffle game. But Plouffe should be back, Escobar goes back to SS, and no other big move has to take place. But if Plouffe has any delay, Romero needs to be up, whatever 40 man move needs to take place.