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What Should Happen to Miranda When Lewis Comes Back?


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With the recent good news that Royce Lewis it's just about ready to start an assumedly short rehab assignment, one's mind turns to what happens when he's ready to rejoin the Twins. You have to think that he'll be playing 3B at least three or four times a week and probably more, and we have Castro as a potential 3B backup. What happens to José Miranda in that scenario?

First, the facts. Miranda is hitting .276/.315/.457 (.772) with 4 HRs, 7 Doubles, and 12 RBIs in 105 ABs. He has 16 SOs and 4 walks, (14.5% SO rate, 3.7% walk rate). He's better against LH pitching – .807 OPS – but still respectable against RH pitching with a .722 OPS. His defense at 3B, once a weakness, has improved to a little below average average, with a -2 OAA at 3B and a 0 OAA at 1B. His Statcast chart is not particularly impressive, above average in some things but very little red other than being on the 74th percentile in whiff rate in the 89th percentile in strikeout rate. In other words, the stats so far indicate a little better-than-average player at age 25 with about 750 at bats in MLB so far. Those latter two facts suggest that there is room for improvement to a solidly above average hitter who is an average or slightly above fielder, but those results are far from assured.

I think the Twins have to keep Miranda on the roster and I think he needs to play. His team needs quality RH hitters in the worst way, and Miranda is really the only reinforcement option. Lewis can obviously hit, Correa is a quality hitter, and both Buxton and Jeffers are streaky. The rest of them? Not much there. Margot and Vasquez are well below average hitters even if you only count Margot hitting from the right side. Santana can hit right-handed but is a black hole left-handed, and from a hitting standpoint should only start against left-handed pitching. Farmer can hit left-handed pitching or at least could in the past but he's nearing the end of his career and it's unlikely he's going to have a big pop during this season. he's also somewhere else next year. I think you have to keep Miranda around for his bat and hope his defense improves.

So where do you play him once Lewis is back to play 3B? I think the answer is pretty simple. Miranda plays 4 to 5 days a week, 3 to 4 of them as the 1B against right-handed pitching, a day or two at 3B for Lewis when he is the DH, and he can be the DH once a week, maybe twice. I would also look at him at 2B as the RH alternative to Edward Julien unless Rocco comes to his senses and starts playing Julien every day. Miranda was a 2B in the minors, he's here for the long term, and he's a better hitter than Farmer. I would suggest trying him in LF, but I know they did that in the minors and I hear it was an unmitigated disaster. So my view is Miranda needs to stay, play regularly, and do it in a combination of 1B and 3B. 

This decision is coming in is coming within the next couple weeks hopefully. What he is everybody think?

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LA Vikes Fan

Posted

Just saw a new and intriguing idea. It might be time for Julien to get a AAA reset. How about Lewis up to play 2B/DH, with Castro also ant 2B,  and Julien down? Keep Miranda in the lineup at 3B every day to hit. 

Doctor Wu

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On 5/23/2024 at 7:36 PM, mikelink45 said:

You have not convinced me - bring up Keirsey.

Maybe it's not time just yet, but I really hope that Keirsey is promoted before the summer is over. Sure, I understand the doubters who site his age and multiple years in the minors, but I say; throw all that aside and bring the guy up to the majors. He has skills we could use. 

Doctor Wu

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6 hours ago, LA VIkes Fan said:

Just saw a new and intriguing idea. It might be time for Julien to get a AAA reset. How about Lewis up to play 2B/DH, with Castro also ant 2B,  and Julien down? Keep Miranda in the lineup at 3B every day to hit. 

That may not be a bad idea. Who is in need of more of a reset: Julian or Kiriloff? Whatever happens, I think Miranda should NOT be sent down again. Cut a guy like Farmer (who I loved last year) or Margot, but keep playing Miranda. 

Old fox

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Let’s put the Twins money problems on who created the problem upper management not the players or the front office.  Upper management is solely responsible.  

Fatbat

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Miranda stays because he can play 3 IF positions and DH.  We need his RH bat!!  Farmer and Margo need to be traded yesterday.  Several teams need backup vets more than we do and getting a low level prospect for each will give us some salary flexibility when we make a bigger trade closer to the deadline.  In the mean time, we need to promote the kids that are the future of the team.  
We may need help to win the division and relying of aging vets that cant hit is not the way to win long term.  

Fatbat

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1 hour ago, Old fox said:

Let’s put the Twins money problems on who created the problem upper management not the players or the front office.  Upper management is solely responsible.  

The only money problems the twins have are a result of cheap ownership decisions.  Our drafts as a whole over the last 7-8 years has been about average! We wont talk about the Cavaco/Sabato picks tho. 😳

the cheapo factor has lead to buying the lower level vets and it has almost always blown up in our face. One would hope that someday they will stop that. 

mnfireman

Posted

I think Julien needs a AAA break, he needs to re-set and there are several options to play second.

Julien splits;

Last 7 days - .077/.143/.143 (.286 OPS) 0 HR, 5/1 K/BB

Last 15 days - .097/.125/.129 (.254 OPS) 0 HR, 11/1 K/BB

Last 30 days - .143/.250/.157 (.407 OPS) 0 HR, 31/10 K/BB

Not exactly what is expected from the lefty side of the lefty/righty platoon.

 

Schmoeman5

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10 hours ago, Fatbat said:

Miranda stays because he can play 3 IF positions and DH.  We need his RH bat!!  Farmer and Margo need to be traded yesterday.  Several teams need backup vets more than we do and getting a low level prospect for each will give us some salary flexibility when we make a bigger trade closer to the deadline.  In the mean time, we need to promote the kids that are the future of the team.  
We may need help to win the division and relying of aging vets that cant hit is not the way to win long term.  

What 3 IF positions are those? 

mnfireman

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53 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

What 3 IF positions are those? 

Theoretically 1B, 2B & 3B - he had almost 1400 innings at 2B in the minors.

lecroy24fan

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1 hour ago, mnfireman said:

Theoretically 1B, 2B & 3B - he had almost 1400 innings at 2B in the minors.

 

He hasn't played 2B in 3 years.

Fatbat

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11 hours ago, Schmoeman5 said:

What 3 IF positions are those? 

1B, 2B and 3B. He can also PH when a lefty BP arm comes in.  Not great at any defensive position but he is solid at the plate. Everyone wrote him off when he was injured.  He looks healthy now.

LewFordLives

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I don't think this is as difficult as it needs to be. Santana is 38 and is hitting at the Mendoza line. Release him and have Miranda and Kirilloff platoon at first.

Schmoeman5

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3 hours ago, Fatbat said:

1B, 2B and 3B. He can also PH when a lefty BP arm comes in.  Not great at any defensive position but he is solid at the plate. Everyone wrote him off when he was injured.  He looks healthy now.

Who is everyone? You mean Rocco  and Falvey? They're the decision makers. I've seen you give up on players too. That's what fans do. Miranda at 2nd wouldn't be a good sight though. 

Coach Wheels

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On 5/22/2024 at 7:26 PM, mikelink45 said:

This is a perfect opportunity to dump Margot - but first the FO has to get past its own egos. 

Margot goes because Twins eat less money DFAing him instead of Farmer. When Lee.is ready to come up in August, Farmer can go.

Whitey333

Posted

At some point they need to find out which prospects and young players can play regularly at the major league level.  You don't do that by making them part time players forever tied to Roccos strict and unproven adherence to a barbaric platoon system.  IMO this FO and manager has ruined and/or hampered many a young players career.

Fatbat

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1 hour ago, Coach Wheels said:

Margot goes because Twins eat less money DFAing him instead of Farmer. When Lee.is ready to come up in August, Farmer can go.

Trade deadline time will be active selling of farmer and margo

Fatbat

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2 hours ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Who is everyone? You mean Rocco  and Falvey? They're the decision makers. I've seen you give up on players too. That's what fans do. Miranda at 2nd wouldn't be a good sight though. 

Many people on this site wanted nothing to do with Miranda, even tho he was injured last year.  Yes, I regularly give up on aging vets that were good but not great in their prime and get signed here to do less than they did when they were actually good.  I would much rather take the big swing on someone that has gas in the tank to supplement the farm system building a team model. 
I’d bring up more than 2-3 rookies every year as well but thats a whole different subject.

RpR

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3 hours ago, Coach Wheels said:

Margot goes because Twins eat less money DFAing him instead of Farmer. When Lee.is ready to come up in August, Farmer can go.

Yep, Lee can come up and do his version of the so much wanted Martin.

The whole Margot thing is wierd, they do not play him for what he was brought in but put Castro out there where he is no better than Gordon was.

I checked at Baseball Ref. and I see Center Field is not his best spot, so now it makes sense but why they picked him to quasi-replace Taylor makes zero sense.

Jeff K

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On 5/22/2024 at 8:05 PM, Dave The Dastardly said:

The smart money says Margot goes, Miranda stays.

What the Twins actually do will be inconceivable.

Miranda has to stay with the Twins.  Kirilloff's bat seems to be waking up.  I don't think you send him down unless he goes back into a slump.  I think the easy call is to launch Margot.  I could also see a scenario where Julien is sent down and Castro becomes the mostly full time 2nd baseman while Julien gets a reset at St. Paul.  I would also consider bringing up DeShawn Keirsey to  help in CF.  If the call up were today; launch Margot and send down Julien.  When Julien re-establishes his hitting, then another decision will be in order that could involve Farmer.

insagt1

Posted

for the record, I will be getting a real close look at St.Paul this week. Rochester has a 7 game series with them. (a rainout DH tonite followed by 5  single games)

twinfan

Posted

Anything can happen before Lewis comes back. If no one gets hurt, I would trade Farmer or release him. Sending Julien down is also a possibility unless he quickly picks it up. Castro is also versatile though he seems better in the infield. I don't know why many don't seem to like Larnach. Kiriloff is a mystery to me. Maybe he's still playing hurt??? While I like Miranda, he isn't a world beater but does stay healthy and can play multiple positions. let's just hope he doesn't go back to when he couldn't hit at all. 

RpR

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36 minutes ago, Jeff K said:

 I could also see a scenario where Julien is sent down and Castro becomes the mostly full time 2nd baseman while Julien gets a reset at St. Paul.  I would also consider bringing up DeShawn Keirsey to  help in CF.  If the call up were today; launch Margot and send down Julien.  When Julien re-establishes his hitting, then another decision will be in order that could involve Farmer.

If Julien goes to AAA, then Farmer will take Second Base . He is a better Second Baseman than Castro and Castro is generally needed else where.

I would like to see Keirsey Jr. come up to see how he handles the Bigs, send Kirilloff down for a re-set, and bring him back after having a look-see at Keirsey Jr.


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