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Greatest Twins Individual Offensive Season Ever?


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The Twins arrived in Minnesota in 1960, and I have been a close follower since about 1967.  As a kid, I was a huge Harmon Killebrew fan and attended many games where his home runs were the highlight of the day. I also got to see one of the great on-base hitting machines of that era, Rod Carew. They were far different players, but they produced, in my opinion, the two greatest offensive seasons in Twins history, and both were named American League MVP for them - Killebrew in 1969, and Carew in 1977.

What is interesting about those two seasons is how different they were, in terms of the statistics where they excelled - and yet how close they came in a statistic that I believe captures the value of both getting on base and doing it in an impactful way - OPS. For comparison purposes, those grand seasons result in what is, statistically speaking, pretty much a dead heat: Carew's OPS was 1.019, and Killebrew's was 1.011.

So, who had the better season? Carew put up an other-worldly batting average - .388. He also led the league - by a mile - in runs scored, with 128. Unlike most years, he also drove in 100 runs and hit 14 home runs. His .570 slugging percentage was, by far the best of his career. He also had an incredible OPS+ of 178. 

The MVP balloting was interesting: Carew was first on only 12 of 28 ballots. Second was Al Cowens of KC, who had an OPS of .885 and scored 30 less runs while hitting .312 with 23 HR and 112 RBI. He got 4 first place votes - how that is even possible must relate to the fact that the Royals won 102 games, the most in the AL that year. The smattering of other first place votes suggests to me that the voters still favored 'headline stats' like HR and RBI, even in the face of clearly superior overall results.

As for Killebrew, he never hit for average like Carew. In fact, his highest batting average in a full season was .288. However, he did hit 573 home runs and drove in 1,584 RBI. It is notable that his lifetime OPS was .884, and his OPS+ 143. Carew's numbers were .822 and 131.  That said, this isn't about career, it is about the year.

In 1969, Killebrew tied his career mark in HRs with 49 and set his mark with 140 RBIs. What set the season apart was the fact he also drew a league leading 145 walks. Even though his batting average was just .276, he had a .427 OBP. It wasn't Carew's .449, but it wasn't that far off.

Killebrew was a much more clear-cut winner for the AL MVP that year, with 16 first place votes, while the second place finisher, Boog Powell, had 6. It's notable that the 1969 Orioles won 109 games and their division, while the Twins won 97 and their division - and the Orioles dispatched the Twins in three straight before losing the World Series in 5 games to the Mets.

I have a hard time choosing between the two. Carew was a hit or two everyday, and that year his hits were more impactful than most years. Killebrew hit home runs and drove in runs at the highest level, and he also got on base a lot. That said, Carew still had a (slightly) higher OPS. I watched both seasons very closely. I think Carew's flirting with .400 - in a way that hasn't really been challenged since - gives him a slight nod here. That said, it is very slight. 

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RpR

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Harmon, by a long shot.

George Brett, batting .390, of Kansas City took the best since since Ted Williams title from Carew in 1980, annoyed me greatly at the time.

He won his third batting title , ,329, ten years later at age 37,

 

NeverSeenATwinsPlayoffWin

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I would make a case for Mauer's MVP season. He led MLB in each slash category AVG/OBP/SLG while playing catcher. Mauer's OPS (1.031) was actually higher than both Carew's and Killebrew's MVP seasons. Mauer's '09 season is far and away the best offensive season by a catcher in baseball history, while there are many better offensive 1B seasons than Killebrew's and Carew's MVP seasons.

arby58

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7 hours ago, RpR said:

Harmon.

George Brett, batting .390, of Kansas City took the best since since Ted Williams title from Carew in 1980, annoyed me greatly at the time.

He won his third batting title , ,329, ten years later at age 37,

 

Yeah, I was referring to challenged by a Twin. Brett was one of those players you hated to play against but appreciated him nonetheless. Cabrera is like that as well.

arby58

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5 hours ago, NeverSeenATwinsPlayoffWin said:

I would make a case for Mauer's MVP season. He led MLB in each slash category AVG/OBP/SLG while playing catcher. Mauer's OPS (1.031) was actually higher than both Carew's and Killebrew's MVP seasons. Mauer's '09 season is far and away the best offensive season by a catcher in baseball history, while there are many better offensive 1B seasons than Killebrew's and Carew's MVP seasons.

You make a strong case for Mauer - although his OPS+ was slightly lower than Carew's and the description was greatest offensive season, so playing catcher gets no additional credit. Carew was also a very good baserunner(something neither Joe or Harmon ever was), and he had 23 stolen bases that year. It's a shame Morneau's 2010 season was only half a season - if he had put up similar numbers in the second half to the first 81 games (53 runs, 18 HRs, 56 RBIs, 1.055 OPS), it might have been the greatest season.

Karbo

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I have been a Twins fan since the beginning. The Twins have had so many great players. Interesting to look at some of the great seasons they put up. Now if some of these youngsters can carry on they should be a good to great team in the near future, if management will get out of the way and let players that deserve playing time play, and get rid of some of the dead weight.

Rod Carews Birthday

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Difficult choice here, but I too lean Carew.  I wouldn’t put up much of an argument against Killebrew, however.  There have been some excellent seasons by people like Mauer, Olivia, and others, but I don’t believe any of them get quite to the level of Charlie and Junior — and they both were on the team at the same time!

jmlease1

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8 hours ago, NeverSeenATwinsPlayoffWin said:

I would make a case for Mauer's MVP season. He led MLB in each slash category AVG/OBP/SLG while playing catcher. Mauer's OPS (1.031) was actually higher than both Carew's and Killebrew's MVP seasons. Mauer's '09 season is far and away the best offensive season by a catcher in baseball history, while there are many better offensive 1B seasons than Killebrew's and Carew's MVP seasons.

Mauer's 2009 is definitely worthy. Not sure there's a bad choice between Mauer '09, Killebrew '69, or Carew '77. 

It's a shame we never got to find out if Morneau could have kept rolling like that in 2010.

And while I think those three seasons from Mauer, Carew, and Killer are the top 3 in Twins history, I would like to throw a little love to Bob Allison '64, who finished the year with an absurd 163 OPS+ the year after having the highest OPS+ in the AL in '63 (at 151).

If you made me choose, it's probably Carew '77; He did everything that year. You have to really look to find a flaw; the worst thing you can say about his offense that season is he could have been a little more efficient stealing bases. Dude didn't ever hit into DPs that year. Just an amazing season.

Fire Dan Gladden

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While the low number of PA plays into this discussion, Jim Thome's 2010 season was statistically worth a note here:

PA   340
OPS   1.039
OPS+  182

Pretty amazing age 39 season.

IndianaTwin

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In terms of OPS+, Killebrew's 1967 (173) was nearly the equal of his 1969 (177). He had "only" a .269/.408/.558 (.965) in 1967 compared to .269/.427/.584 (1.011) in 1969, but 1967 was a tougher environment to hit in. In 1969, he had the advantage of expansion and a lower mound. 

But I still lean Carew.

IndianaTwin

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6 hours ago, jmlease1 said:

Mauer's 2009 is definitely worthy. Not sure there's a bad choice between Mauer '09, Killebrew '69, or Carew '77. 

It's a shame we never got to find out if Morneau could have kept rolling like that in 2010.

And while I think those three seasons from Mauer, Carew, and Killer are the top 3 in Twins history, I would like to throw a little love to Bob Allison '64, who finished the year with an absurd 163 OPS+ the year after having the highest OPS+ in the AL in '63 (at 151).

If you made me choose, it's probably Carew '77; He did everything that year. You have to really look to find a flaw; the worst thing you can say about his offense that season is he could have been a little more efficient stealing bases. Dude didn't ever hit into DPs that year. Just an amazing season.

So 1964 had Allison (162), Killebrew (153) and Oliva (150). 

And yet finished 6th, with Grant, Kaat and Pascual in the rotation. 

jmlease1

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28 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

So 1964 had Allison (162), Killebrew (153) and Oliva (150). 

And yet finished 6th, with Grant, Kaat and Pascual in the rotation. 

Baseball's a funny game init? :P

ashbury

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Chuck Knoblauch scored 140 runs in 1996, a figure not approached by a Twin before or since.  Greatest Twins individual offensive season ever and unlikely to be matched in the future.

RpR

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30 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Chuck Knoblauch scored 140 runs in 1996, a figure not approached by a Twin before or since.  Greatest Twins individual offensive season ever and unlikely to be matched in the future.

Well Harmon was over 100 twice and in his glory year Carew 128 plus both drove in at least 100 RBI, those years, so, Knoblach did well but not the best.

ToddlerHarmon

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Had to look up Bill James' favorite stat, Runs Created, which takes in the entire offensive output, for clarity. Also, let's throw in wRC+ which is *rate* of Runs Created weighted for league, era, park, etc.

 

The standout years for notable Twins (Zoilo's 65 and Hrbek's 84 et al don't really compare to these, FWIW):

 

Player, year, RC/wRC+

 

Carew 77 145/175

Killebrew 69 143/173

Knoblauch 96 142/145 (steals galore)

Killebrew 67 130/176 (missed time)

Mauer 09 127/170 (missed time)

Oliva 64 126/148

Puckett 88 123/150

Allison 64 113/164

 

and the "if only" year, 2010:

 

Morneau 10 75/183

Thome 10 71/177

Other than the steal-inflated Knoblauch year, it is as we remember it, and even this stat can't really decide.

 

 

JD-TWINS

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16 hours ago, RpR said:

Well Harmon was over 100 twice and in his glory year Carew 128 plus both drove in at least 100 RBI, those years, so, Knoblach did well but not the best.

Harmon scored 106 in ‘69 & drove himself in 49 times. Carew had a .440 OBP  in ‘77 & hit .388…….he batted 3rd instead of lead off like Knoblach….less good hitters to drive him home & he scored 128 runs with 100RBI.

Blyleven2011

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Carew  no questĺon   ...

I liked killer  and tony o but that year in 77 was so special for a Twins fan  to watch Carew  ,,, 

No twin will ever come close to topping Carew's production that year ...

Not the way they play the game today ....

TopGunn#22

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Yeah, Carew's MVP 1977 season was something else.  I would include Nelson Cruz in 2019 to go with Killebrew's 1969 MVP season.  As good as Tony O's 1964 ROY season was, his 1970 season might have been his best.  Joe Mauer in 2009 with his 365 BA and 28 HR's could almost go in a special category for catchers.  But I would like to see where Nelson Cruz 2019 version would rank with Carew.  If you're only comparing offensive numbers (since Cruz was strictly a DH) I wonder how close he would come to Carew's 1977.  

jmlease1

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13 minutes ago, TopGunn#22 said:

Yeah, Carew's MVP 1977 season was something else.  I would include Nelson Cruz in 2019 to go with Killebrew's 1969 MVP season.  As good as Tony O's 1964 ROY season was, his 1970 season might have been his best.  Joe Mauer in 2009 with his 365 BA and 28 HR's could almost go in a special category for catchers.  But I would like to see where Nelson Cruz 2019 version would rank with Carew.  If you're only comparing offensive numbers (since Cruz was strictly a DH) I wonder how close he would come to Carew's 1977.  

Nellie's 2019 was excellent and a 168 OPS+ gets you into the conversation, but he also didn't offer anything on the base paths like Carew did and hit into twice as many DPs.

TopGunn#22

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Thanks jmlease!!  That also helps put into perspective the season Jim Thome had with just 340 AB's that FireDanGladden mentioned.

arby58

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36 minutes ago, Bigfork Twins Guy said:

I lean towards Sir Rodney mostly because I think that was also the season which he stole home 7 times.  Also, I did not check the stats but I'm sure Killer had his share of strikeouts in his MVP year.

The funny thing is the year Carew  stole home 7 times was 1969 - Harmon's big year. Carew had 'younger' legs back then, although he always had the element of speed to his game. In 1969, Killebrew struck out 84 times - given the 145 walks, that's a pretty impressive ratio. Carew struck out less but also did not draw as many walks (in 1977, 55 strikeouts and 69 walks). 

arby58

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54 minutes ago, jmlease1 said:

Nellie's 2019 was excellent and a 168 OPS+ gets you into the conversation, but he also didn't offer anything on the base paths like Carew did and hit into twice as many DPs.

Agreed, plus he didn't score nearly the number of runs (84) as Rod or Harmon, That was also the 'rabbit ball' year, and you have to discount that performance at least a little bit.

IaBeanCounter

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On 8/23/2023 at 10:35 AM, arby58 said:

The funny thing is the year Carew  stole home 7 times was 1969 - Harmon's big year. Carew had 'younger' legs back then, although he always had the element of speed to his game. In 1969, Killebrew struck out 84 times - given the 145 walks, that's a pretty impressive ratio. Carew struck out less but also did not draw as many walks (in 1977, 55 strikeouts and 69 walks). 

I remember hearing that on one of the steals of home,  Killebrew was batting and there wasn't a steal sign.  Carew was lucky his career (and life) didn't end that day. 

mikelink45

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Love these choices and lean towards Carew. 

I also like the Mauer suggestion,

But I have to add the Tony Oliva year - 1964 - with 150 OPS and 374 TB - Aaron alway felt TB was the most important of all the batting stats. 

.323 .359 .557 .916 150 374

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