Lopex has solid numbers across the board.  Looking at them I wonder how he gives up so many runs?  Does he just implode when a runner gets on base?  but with the extension the Twins may not win the trade but will come out fine.  

7 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

He was tiring and hit .265 the last couple months and he was playing with AAA guys in ‘22……..no real problem with the trade but good hitters are hard to find.

He’s 100 points better than Lewis & 100 points better than Kirilloff and they both are certainly making a difference in the midst of other mediocrity. Not every day but at least 3-4 days per week.

Rationalizing Luis isn’t or wouldn’t be a difference maker isn’t fair to him but López can be a solid contributor and the trade is done!

I agree that my comments aren't completely fair. Neither is this obsession with "if Arraez was on the team". I may argue that the AAA team from last season's second half wasn't all that much different than what we've seen so far this season. I think my point is that it takes all 26 players on the roster if not most of the 40-man roster to be good to great. 1 player will not fix that.

The organization 100% needed to trade for pitching. The traded a player from a deep organizational pool of bat-first poor-fielding infielders. They no doubt traded the one that had the most current trade value. All this is perfectly defensible.

Now…if the guy you traded goes out and immediately has a career year, way beyond anything he’s ever done before, and the guy you got goes sideways…

Let’s let things play out for a couple of years.

We can dwell on it. But if the FO did, they’d never make another trade.

Embarrassed? I laugh while shaking my head. Get over it

3 hours ago, Brandon said:

Lopex has solid numbers across the board.  Looking at them I wonder how he gives up so many runs?  Does he just implode when a runner gets on base?  but with the extension the Twins may not win the trade but will come out fine.  

His habit recently seems to be cruising then gets shelled for an inning then goes back to cruising. 

Which appears to be the 2nd inning tonight. Couldn't execute ahead in the count and now is behind

This is not a good post.  Wait until one guy gets off to a hot start and then quick slap something up before he gets hurt! Arraez is glass, and while he always took the field in 2022, by late summer he was a shell of the first half player.  He had a .715 OPS in the second half while gimping around on bad legs and filling the tattered lineup card. This was a trade of starters in their prime and shouldn't be evaluated for a looong time.

13 hours ago, jkcarew said:

Now…if the guy you traded goes out and immediately has a career year, way beyond anything he’s ever done before, and the guy you got goes sideways…

And that career year is chasing something not accomplished in 82 years in a day where .300 hitters are becoming scarce

1 hour ago, Cris E said:

This is not a good post.  Wait until one guy gets off to a hot start and then quick slap something up before he gets hurt! Arraez is glass, and while he always took the field in 2022, by late summer he was a shell of the first half player.  He had a .715 OPS in the second half while gimping around on bad legs and filling the tattered lineup card. This was a trade of starters in their prime and shouldn't be evaluated for a looong time.

We're almost 3 months in, "hot start" doesn't really apply anymore.

2 minutes ago, rwilfong86 said:

We're almost 3 months in, "hot start" doesn't really apply anymore.

We've got over three months to go in this season and years of control remaining. It's still very early for words like "embarrassing".

11 minutes ago, Cris E said:

We've got over three months to go in this season and years of control remaining. It's still very early for words like "embarrassing".

Unfortunately you're right. There is the possibility this trade looks even worse in coming years due to the years of control situation.

4 hours ago, rwilfong86 said:

And that career year is chasing something not approached in 82 years in a day where .300 hitters are becoming scarce

‘not approached in 82 years’ is not true….especially if the threshold is June. Tony Gwynn was hitting 400 at least into July at least once (probably more than once). Carew was hitting 400 well into June at least twice and 411 on July 1 once. George Brett was hitting 400 in August. And those are just the first three guys I checked. I know Ichiro was way up there at least once and I’m sure there have been random ridiculous hot-streak examples that are forgotten by non-HOF types.

Having said that, I agree with the comment regarding era. He’s 70 points higher than the next guy in the league. Part of that is because players don’t prioritize BA much at all anymore…but, still…70 points. Highest margin Carew ever finished a season with was 50 points over the number 2 guy.

On 6/20/2023 at 10:59 PM, dxpavelka said:

If only I had all of the comments praising the deal when it happened because they were finally going out and getting a front line starter.

 

So does that mean the posters here are prone to a gross lack of knowledge?

Last year at about this time The Blue Jays fans may have been thinking they got a bad deal for Berrios. Now, not so much. The ebb and flow of baseball

6 hours ago, jkcarew said:

‘not approached in 82 years’ is not true….especially if the threshold is June. Tony Gwynn was hitting 400 at least into July at least once (probably more than once). Carew was hitting 400 well into June at least twice and 411 on July 1 once. George Brett was hitting 400 in August. And those are just the first three guys I checked. I know Ichiro was way up there at least once and I’m sure there have been random ridiculous hot-streak examples that are forgotten by non-HOF types.

Having said that, I agree with the comment regarding era. He’s 70 points higher than the next guy in the league. Part of that is because players don’t prioritize BA much at all anymore…but, still…70 points. Highest margin Carew ever finished a season with was 50 points over the number 2 guy.

 

You're right, I misworded my statement. What I meant was "not accomplished" instead of "not approached." Thanks for pointing that out. I edited my previous post. 

On 6/21/2023 at 10:59 AM, Jocko87 said:

Making proclamations about this trade less than 80 games in is shortsighted at best.  Writing these pieces in the name of content production is the worst thing about the internet.  While this is a SI article, Twins Daily could take the lesson as well.  Less but better content.  There is nothing to talk about here. 

I like TD because we talk about a lot of different angles.  Has the trade been a disappointment so far? Sure.  Am I glad he took the time to write about it? Absolutely.  It seems others agree - we're now on page three of talking about "nothing."

I do agree that, while the trade doesn't look great now, it's far from settled.  

If we could undo the trade, would I?  I don't know.  The offense hasn't been very good, but I think pieces are there to turn it around.  I'm still not sold on Arraez long-term, and I think Lopez will be better, unless he gets hurt (which is always a bigger risk for pitchers.)  But having Arraez at the top of the order would look pretty good right now. 

On 6/21/2023 at 6:57 AM, Irishman said:

IMO Luis Aaraez trade was worst trade ever by FO.    I have no faith in FO at all.   I’m not impressed with Pablo Lopez.   

It's not even the worst by the brain trust in last 12 months or even 2nd worst.   Jesus H Christ did you want them to run Chris Archer ( or Bunde ) out there 20 times again this year?????    Mahle trade far worse.......Paddock trade far worse.....SInging Correa was much more worse as well.  Odds are very , VERY much against Arraez hitting 400......1941 is the last time......1941 , so the odds are you will win the lottery b4 Arraez hits 400 , or any one else for that matter. Theres lots of life left in this trade yet....the minor leaguer we got may amount to something..Arraez could end up hitting 320 not 400 , with little power and zero speed. His average at best defense may turn south with his knees .....Lopez may reel off 5/6 wins in a row.  WE don't know yet.  If Kepler/Gallo/Pagan or Correa had done something by now no one would need to worry about the Arraez trade.  Lopez is MILES better than what we ran out tot he bump last year.  Archer and Bunde were  unwatchable.

1 hour ago, HoskenPowell said:

It's not even the worst by the brain trust in last 12 months or even 2nd worst.   Jesus H Christ did you want them to run Chris Archer ( or Bunde ) out there 20 times again this year?????    Mahle trade far worse.......Paddock trade far worse.....SInging Correa was much more worse as well.  Odds are very , VERY much against Arraez hitting 400......1941 is the last time......1941 , so the odds are you will win the lottery b4 Arraez hits 400 , or any one else for that matter. Theres lots of life left in this trade yet....the minor leaguer we got may amount to something..Arraez could end up hitting 320 not 400 , with little power and zero speed. His average at best defense may turn south with his knees .....Lopez may reel off 5/6 wins in a row.  WE don't know yet.  If Kepler/Gallo/Pagan or Correa had done something by now no one would need to worry about the Arraez trade.  Lopez is MILES better than what we ran out tot he bump last year.  Archer and Bunde were  unwatchable.

No argument here.  I think EVENTUALLY the Correa deal will pay off for the Twins, I THINK.  But i disliked the Arraez trade.  I think the Twins caved for too little in return for Pablo Lopez + two low minor leaguers neither of which has done much yet since joining the Twins.  They should have insisted on a bigger deal for both Lopez and Alcantara (although he is having a DOWN year so far), otherwise i think you keep Arraez.  

On 6/25/2023 at 6:39 AM, old nurse said:

So does that mean the posters here are prone to a gross lack of knowledge?

One might say that.