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It is expected DeSclafani will miss possibly the whole season. This has many saying lets go out and sign another guy. I disagree. We have several guys in the minors that will be able to fill in. First, Varland should be a guy that can step in. We have SWR, who was touted until his bad first half last year, but had a great second half. We have Festa and Raya that could make starts this year for the team. We have the depth, and many are ready to pitch now. I know others will get injured, but going out to sign an aging guy to give the ball to each 5th day just makes little sense. We can go out and sign some to minor league deal, to see if they have anything left and call them up if needed, but I would not take up a roster spot on a 5th starter right now. It is not about the payroll, it is about the fact we have server guys that would be blocked from such a move.
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They system is fully broke for pitchers right now. I agree, they get 1 contract to really cash in, unless did great in early years for nice arb numbers. Montgomery has earned 20 mil and Snell 51 mil. Snell won a Cy Young at 25 so that helped him a ton. Both should be getting paid, but both are huge risks for long term deals. One in like ten pitchers that sign long term deals are worth much past first season or two. Many get hurt missing a couple of seasons, or many parts of seasons, and many also just drop off in effectiveness. Pitchers get used up, burned out, and then only a few get to really cash in. These two seem to be trying to draw a line, but teams clearly willing to go with others and not pay their asking price.
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I Hate the Spring Training Pitcher Re-Entry Rule
Trov replied to Matthew Trueblood's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I get your point, but I do not agree. Spring training games already mean nothing, they end in ties and the whole point is to get ready for season. You want to get your pitcher up throw 15 to 25 pitches in an inning, sit down, and get back up again, to work on the arm stamina. The amount of pitches in an inning has been shown to be a bigger deal than the total number overall. If you leave a guy out there for 30 to 40 pitches it could damage their arm on a worthless game. Yes, hitters need to get ready too, but wouldn't having to practice facing a guy they have not prepped for help that as well? Now Jeffers gets one at bat facing a guy they know little about for first time. The fact is, pitchers you face in spring are not the same type you face in regular season. They generally are working on other pitches they will rarely throw in regular season. -
As any baseball fan is aware there are two remaining starting pitchers in FA that many thought would get long term big deals. Snell and Montgomery were both looking for $30 mil plus a season for 5 plus seasons. Rumors are now that Snell is willing to take the "pillow" contract similar to what CC did with Twins and Bellinger did this year. The only pitcher that I can think of in past that did similar was Carlos Rondon a couple of years ago with SF, which worked out well for him, and so far not well for Yankees. Montgomery is rumored to still be seeking long term contract of up to seven years. I have commented that Snell would be a good candidate for a "pillow" contract due to his previous upside of cy young winner, but long history of injuries and overall not consistent seasons. The problem for Snell is that the few teams that normally would be willing to drop $30 mil a year on a player, and a current need for pitching due to injuries are maxed out in the tax area, Yankees, Astros, and Rangers are the main three right now. Rumors are Yankees have interest, but a short deal will cost them a ton of money because they cannot extend the money over many years to lower tax burden. He is still holding strong for the high price and looking to cash in at some point. Montgomery would not be a good "pillow" contract guy because he is trying to parlay his big second half and playoffs with Rangers to get a huge deal. However, many teams are not willing to overpay for a guy that has always been a number guy, who had an Ace second half. The problem is, he is 31 and outside of his time with Rangers, he has been a number 2 to number 3 type guy. He is seeking top pitcher money until he is 38. Most pitchers start to really fall off age 32 plus, if not sooner. There is no reason to think he will be any good at age 35 even, let alone 38. So both guys are holding out for their big paydays, but no team is biting on their demands. Snell wanted the big deal, but is willing to take a short term deal for now hoping to have a second big season in a row and then really cash in at age 32? Personally, I think Boras is telling them fantasies and telling them to hold out and the money will come. In 2018 offseason, a pitcher that I think kind of lines up with Montgomery was a FA. He had a little bit longer success at MLB level, but was coming off a little bit of a down year, Montgomery is coming off peak second half. That pitcher was 31 looking to cash in, and no takers. He held out into late spring and finally signed a 1 year deal hoping to get a bigger contract the next year. I back fired terrible for him. That was, Lance Lynn. He came into spring out of shape, upset no one was willing to pay big for him, and had worst season, until last year, of his career. He did bounce back to have 4 very good years until last year where he looks fully done. Another pitcher held out the next year, the 2019 free agent year. He was the top relief guy entering age 31 season, showed no signs of faltering. He was looking to break the closer market, but no takers. He held out until the draft, so a team would not lose a pick. He signed big three year deal, so paid off for him overall, but not the team. Craig Kimbrel signed with Cubs and had 2 terrible seasons and then finally a good first half in the contract year. He was traded across town to White Sox, and fell apart down the stretch. He has signed 1 year deals each of last few years. He has done fine for himself, but never got the huge pay day. Yes, he is a relief guy so not full comparison, but history has shown pitchers holding out into spring, or mid-season, has not paid off for the teams. The two guys have waited out the market hoping to cash in on a pitching needy teaming, but those teams will know the history that not getting full spring training has resulted in not very good results. Also, age 31 year pitcher signing long term deals normally does not pay off either. Does Montgomery think teams will buy that his peak year at age 30 will be what to expect for next even 4 years, leaving 3 bad contract years? Over the past 20 years, there is two pitchers that have been great late into 30's, Scherzer and Verlander. There are a few that surprised the hell out of people by pitching well in late 30's, mainly Charlie Morton comes to mind. Out side of them, most guys are no where close to what they were in young years. Personally, I think the more they wait, the worst it will get for them. They will both try to hold out for max value, but unless a team gets very desperate, I think the value will keep going down for either, because teams will expect less output this year. Maybe, the pitchers are working out well on own, but unless they do some showcase teams will be worried.
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Should We Be Encouraged by José Miranda's Spring?
Trov replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
It is always good to look at the underlying numbers to see if it is likely to sustain the counting numbers. It seems like that is unlikely for Miranda, unless he starts finding some barrels. I am not one that feels exit velo is anything more than to test to see if the hits seem to be more luck than not. Keep in mind exit velo does not equal hits, just the harder you hit it the more likely you get a hit. However, guys like Arraez was attacked for his lack of exit velo despite his very high average, because he hit a ton of line drives and would hit where the defenders were not, despite not being hit super hard. Miranda though is a guy that will need to hit extra base hits to be valuable as he never struck me as a super high average guy. I am not sold on him as a MLB player. Hopefully he will tear up AAA and be a call up when needed, or possible trade chip, but if he has another poor year at AAA he will be DFA when a 40 man spot is needed. -
One thing pitchers and fans need to think about is that only a few pitchers are HOF level pitchers and can put their arm through what it takes to pitch deep into games a high level for years. They are not common humans. Nolan Ryan was one of the first super high velo pitchers that could seem to do it forever. In this day in age Justin Verlander is closest to that. Part of the problem in my mind, is that teams, and pitchers, look at peak ability and want that every time out. Pitchers are putting forces on their elbow that only the super humans used to be able to do. It is no surprise they break down at higher rates now. The pitchers do this because if you cannot throw at 95 plus, which used to be really fast, you are not likely to even get looked at. Could you imagine if a guy like Brad Radke tried to make majors these days? What about Trevor Hoffman, a HOF closer, he topped out at 95, and eventually lost that velo to below 90, for most of his career, and was one of best closers. He did it with change of speed, not with high velo. Greg Maddux topped out at around 93 early in career, but he got it done with movement and pin point location. None of those guys would have a shot this day in age, or would not be considered top guys because their velo does not put them up there. Most likely they would have changed up their approach if they were coming up this day in age. However, the starters of the past understood you needed to save some in the tank to get deep into games. You did not reach for max spin or max velo every pitch. The really good ones would change up the velo on the fastball even. I could never hit a high velo fastball, I personally believe that change in speeds and mixing up location is harder for a hitter to be on a pitch more than just velo. I hate reading that because a guy sits at low 90's velo he is not going to be a good pitcher. There is more than 1 way to get a guy out.
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The Big Question: Minnesota Twins Right Field
Trov replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
My concern for Kepler is he had a great second half, MVP level if played a full year. However, he has been around for years. You do not just figure it out at age 30. I think he was just on a nice hot run for a few months, In the playoffs he did okay, not like he had been. He struck out 25% of the time, 1 walk and had 2 doubles and 3 singles with 1 run scored. Sure, we are not likely to make playoffs without his second half, but I am not expecting him to carry his second half into this year. If he does, great, but do not count on it. Expect he will be his normal self. He will be a good defender with stretches of good hitting and stretches of bad hitting ending with an average season basically. -
For me, if he can play 80 games in CF and 20 plus games as DH with above average offense, while stealing some bases, it will be a huge success. I do not expect it at all. It is great he is playing CF, but he has found about one hundred different ways to miss games in his career, I am sure he will find a new way even if he knee holds up.
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This story helps show that Twins were not alone in the salary cutting. Also, there are still 2 pitchers on the open market that no team is willing to meet their demands. In terms of the Twins fans were upset we did not just spend more money when we got a TV deal. The problem with all that is who was out there we would just dump say 20 mil this year that would have taken it? Sure, we could have found someone to take it, but why just drop 20 mil on a player for one year if he is not better than who you have? Could we have got a long term deal with a pitcher, sure, but then the money next year becomes a question, and we will start having younger guys needing to get more and more raises. Just as the article showed, Padres had to sell of Soto for pennies on the dollar and many other cost cutting moves because they were over paying and could continue to do what they had been. What did their huge spending get them anyways? Their first big contract and trade happened offseason of 2018 when they signed Hosmer and traded for Myers. They finished with a losing record. Then in 2019 they signed Machado, and brought up Tatis, They finished with losing record. 2020, They finally made playoffs, but got swept first round. 2021 More big moves, signing Darvish and trading for Snell and Musgrove. Had a losing season. 2022 Traded for Soto, giving up young pitcher, and traded for another pitcher Manea. Made playoffs lost in NLCS. 2023 Signed Bogarts Finshed just above .500 at 82-80, did not make playoffs. Yes, they were in division with Dodgers so tough to win there, but they spent a ton and got 1 playoff round win. Point is, spending money to spend it does not equal wins, you need to spend smart too.
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The knock on Lee, for people that are not high on him, is he seems more like a high floor guy and not high ceiling guy. He will hit for overall average, but not a lot of power. Personally, I am high on him, and hope he can be a good switch hitting on base guy with high number of doubles and around 15 to 20 HR a year. That would be great. Will he be MVP type, doubtful without increasing his power, but overall I think he will be good MLB player.
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The Yankees are not that good of a team as a whole. Outside of Cole they have huge questions in pitching, and we do not know what will happen to him. We will know more if he is out long term with injury. Rondon had 2 straight good years, in contract years, and outside those 2 seasons he has been back of rotation at best type guy. The rest of the rotation is built off either guys that have never had sustained success, or aging and you never know when they will stop being even average. Their lineup is full of aging guys, outside Soto and Volpe. Judge has a toe issue that may become a career shortener, where he may be limited to more a DH type with lower speed. The problem is they still have Stanton in similar spot. Overall, they do not worry me as a top team.
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You said two things that will contradict themselves. Winning rookie of the year and being a backup 2nd baseman. Backup players do not win ROY only starters do. Now, I will agree he could make the team and compete. I like him a lot, but only way he breaks with the team is if someone is injured because he will not break camp being used as a back up at 2nd base. The fact he could back up many positions means he may be one of first called up, but with both Castro and Farmer on team they have the backup rolls covered.
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I would add SWR to the list. Although he only had one start at MLB level last year, his poor first half really knocked off the hyped prospect. I think he still has huge upside but many wrote him off after his first half last year.
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Chase petty may have put up decent numbers, but he pitched in 18 games and only 68 innings for average of 3.7 innings per start. In 2021 he actually pitched more innings per start as he came out of pen 5 times and averaged 3.9 innings per outing. He clearly had some injury concerns as he pitched 30 innings less than he did the year prior last year, however, he appears to have made a start each week. He averaged 15 pitches an inning, which is a good number. I personally wonder why the scale back of innings? Without following him more I wonder if he has a future of a top pen guy, not that is a bad thing for any pitcher, but when you are hoping for top starter it is a little disappointment. Unless he builds and pitches more innings this next year I think he will be settling into a pen spot. As for Soto hopefully he can be one of the few high school pitcher that does have a good MLB career. Very few high school pitchers make it.
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Twins Announce Spring Breakout Roster
Trov replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
This is a great idea for baseball to do. I will try my best to catch the game, However, it is only one game and I sure hope people do not take too much from it. It is more just a fun way for our top prospects to get to play together and let fans see them who could not normally otherwise. I mostly will look forward to Jenkins and Soto.- 23 replies
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What if Matt Wallner is Just That Good?
Trov replied to Cody Pirkl's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
If he is what he did last year, then he will be good but not great. Most likely eventually looking to settle into DH roll. He has great arm in the OF, but not good range overall. He will need to learn to hit some against lefties, else he will be only a platoon guy as he was auto out against lefties. His OBP was .196 against lefties, He crushed righties, and if he can continue to do that, then those are MVP type numbers against them, so if he can even be average against lefties he will be huge for us.- 39 replies
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The Time for Alex Kirilloff is Now, or It's Never
Trov replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
This has to be the season he shows he can be counted on or he will be relegated to bench guy. We had high hopes for him but he never was able to stay healthy. Although we do not have clear long term answers at first, it is a position that people get moved to when they can hit but fielding is ehh. We brought in Santana due to his defense and if AK can start to actually hit well he will get more reps at first, but he will have much less time to work with.- 38 replies
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The Big Question: Minnesota Twins Left Field
Trov replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I am not sold on Wallner as a star, and I am concerned he will regress too much as pitcher continue to adjust. He was also unplayable against lefties so for now he is at best a platoon guy. I hope he adjusts to the MLB pitching. I would point out, the author says had he qualified with enough at bats he would have trailed just 5 hitters for highest k-rate. Joey Gallo if he had enough at bats would have been way worse, he was at 42.8%. Heck, Gallo has never had a lower K rate then 34%. Personally, I am not a fan of the three true outcome type hitters, they get boring in my mind, but if Wallner stay near where he was he will at least be above average. He is not far off Kyle Schwarber type numbers. Not superstar, but not bad at all and if you get hot in playoffs could carry a team.- 17 replies
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The Leftovers: Who Remains from the Twins 2021 Draft Class?
Trov replied to Cody Christie's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
I do not understand people getting upset so much about trading prospects. Not every prospect will work out, pitchers are some of the most volatile, and high school pitchers even more. Petty has been doing well, but many pitchers do well at lower minor leagues. He only has 8 innings at AA. Could he turn out to be a good pitcher yes, but at the time we also though Balzavic was going to be good, he dropped off a cliff prospect wise. The fact that we got 2 seasons from Gray for him, and he would is still at least 1 year from MLB, to me means we got a good deal, even if he turns out to be a good pitcher he was not helping us the 2 years we got from Gray. In terms of the Mahle trade, yeah he was injured, common for pitchers, and we got overall burned. However, where do you fit the guys we traded away in the teams pecking order? CES most likely is in minors for us, possibly at MLB level fighting for reps at first. Steve Hajjar would be in minors and is not even in top 30 ranking of Cleveland prospects, he got traded to them. If you want to talk about the third piece, Steer, he would be in similar spot as CES being a bench guy fighting for reps at 2nd now behind Julien or first, or some outfield. He would have filled the Farmer roll most likely, absent the SS fill in. That is if we gave him a shot. Reds had the spot open. Point is, many of the guys we traded away over last few years would have been down our depth chart or close with others we have. People always look at who we sent away, and compare them to who we got in return in trade, but never look at who had or got to replace them in depth charts. Sure, could we have used the guys in the Mahle trade for other trade yeah and going back that would have been better.- 28 replies
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Twins 2024 Position Analysis: Third Base
Trov replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I do not understand why we would predict regression when he was always touted as a top prospect and only health is what really kept him back. Sure, he may not hit 4 grand slams every year, in part he may not get that many chances, and teams may start pitching around him in those situations willing to give up 1 run, not the full Bonds treatment, but give him nothing but junk in hopes he starts chasing. If we are expecting regression it is only because he did things he never did before, but that does not seem to be the fact. Yes, compared to his very young years the OPS is higher, but that is to be expected from an 18 or 19 year old. His 2019 season he was hurt much of the year, but in 2022 he put up .940 OPS at AAA and .867 OPS at MLB. Last year the power was about the same, the main difference in OPS was his OBP. The main risk we run into is if he starts to press and chase bad pitches because teams start pitching around him. I am not too worried about that because after he came back from his injury last year, the last 2 months he did better than his first month, which is when they would have started to adjust more to him crushing. Sure, he may regress, but to expect it because he was very good seems odd based on his overall history. He is getting into his prime and could very well get even better. If he, Buck, CC can all stay healthy and Julien can build off what he did last year the top of this line up will be crazy.- 42 replies
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Could a Non-Roster Hitter Help the Twins Roster?
Trov replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
None of these make the roster barring a 60 day DL stint of a position player. Even then I find it unlikely that any of these will take that spot right away. They will have to put in work at AAA before they get a spot on the 40 man.- 36 replies
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What this deal tells to me is that Taylor was asking for either too much money or too many years. Taylor would have been better fit, but being it would be as a 4th OF and late inning replacement the cost should be lower. However, I feel like Martin could have filled the roll too, unless they want to make sure he is playing everyday so will be AAA then only get call with injury.
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What's Left in Pitching Free Agency for the Twins?
Trov replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I doubt they sign any of them to MLB contract, but if any will take a minor league deal with opt outs Twins may go with that. They have options that may have more upside than any of the names on the list. Signing any to MLB deal will take someone off the 40 man roster. So do not expect anyone to sign until 60 day DL moves get made, if any, unless again they are on minor league deals. They have a few guys in AAA that could come up and be just as good as any on the list, if not better. Why block them?- 84 replies
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He is still considered one of the best defensive catchers in the league. I bet a team would claim him. Sure, you hope he hits better than he has, but I doubt it was not a coincidence that our pitchers all did better last year, than the year prior when we had Sanchez as our main catcher. I know everyone loves Jeffers offense, but we have not seen him play the every day role long term. He could take a step back if he is expected to play most of the games behind the plate. Also, if we dump Vasquez, not like we will replace his 10 mil with anyone, and then if Jeffers gets hurt, which he has in the past, then we have a rookie running the pitching staff full time and finding some cast off guy.
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