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The team is ending the season just as they started. They are not hitting with runners on base leaving way too many guys on, and their pen is just down right terrible. There is not 1 pitcher in the pen you feel like will shut down the opposing team right now. Really, the offense is the bigger issue in my opinion. You cannot expect pitchers to shut down every line up. We need to score more runs. Two of the losses against Cleveland we left way too many on base. What would be crazy is if we turn it on like we did end of April begging of May, but those were against terrible teams like White Sox, and not against teams trying to fight for playoffs. Even if we do make wild card we will most likely lose first 2 games and be done.

There is also no reason to put him on 40 man until they are ready to call him up. He has 2 more years he can sit not on 40 man. I hope for his sake it does not take that long. He is limited in his defense which will hurt him, but if he can hit they will find a spot. I wonder if they will give him AFL assignment.

I keep saying Eeles needs to be considered as someone to use next year. He has shown nothing but an ability to hit all year. Even shows some power for his size. I am not saying he will be Jose Altuve, but similar size and similar ability to hit and get on base.

I think part of the injury issue is also teams having guys go on injury list more. I think back in the day guys would play hurt much more than they do now. I think teams would rather have a guy go on injury list for a week or two, one because how options work now, than before. The idea is if a guy is playing hurt, which reports were last year Ryan did, and AK has a few times not told team they were in pain. In years past a guys numbers would be down for the year, then we hear oh they were playing hurt for a long time. Now, guys maybe try for a game or two, Kepler, but then go on IL because their production is down. I do not know if injuries to position players are up from years past, or teams are just putting guys on the IL more. In the past, if you called a guy up from minors, I think even if it was to fill in for injury, they used up and option. Players only had so many options. Now, they have options years, and can go up and down as many times as you want in a single year. So less risk of calling up guys due to minor injuries or being in pain. In terms of pitchers, their numbers are up, but that is in part because I think they are doing things their bodies should not be doing for most guys and it leads to injuries.

They really need to get a long term option figured out. I know many fans were upset the team did not dump much of the money they got in the TV deal into a FA. The problem is the team knew it was a 1 year deal, and they have no clue what next year and beyond looks like. Very few FA at the time were going to take a 1 year deal, and the team could not commit much to future years, with CC, Buck, and Lopez on books, and others going to be going into arb years soon. I have managed to watch this year because I have Spectrum, but most have not. I believe it did hurt the in person attendance to because if you are only checking scores you are not engaged in the team. They really need to find an long term option, whatever it is.

He is still one of best pitchers on our team. What has been not great is his leaving way too many pitches in meat of the zone when up in the count. His fastball should almost never be in the lower half the zone when he is up in the count. You need it down there early in counts to make the splitter more of a chase pitch, but so often I have seen him leave a fastball thigh high with 2 strikes on a guy. They tend to just get the bat to ball and get a weaker contact hit, but a hit none the less.

Eeles is 5'5" McCusker is 6'8" so yeah bit of a difference. Both were signed out of independent ball too. McCusker last year, he made big jump this year. Eeles this year. Both made huge jump to AAA. I know they are both older to be on the top prospects lists generally and not draft status, but both may make an impact next year. Both are limited on defense though.

Hopefully E-Rod will get thumb looked at over offseason and whatever is the issue gets fixed and not a career altering thing. To be on the injured list 3 times for the same injury in a season is a big deal.

So if his side is he wanted the season to end, he could have told the team he was gassed and needed a break. To intentionally try to lose games to end your season is just crazy. He may have had some good numbers on offense, but I do not know if any team will be willing to take him on now. You cannot trust him. He put himself above the team. With betting these days he would be the type of guy that would throw games for a gambler.

Twins fully control their fate. If they can win series down the stretch they will take the wild card. They need to take care of business against the Reds, then hopefully minimal split against Cleveland, win the sox series and it should be locked in after that. We can have a good bounce back against Miami if needed, and the last series against Baltimore will be interesting match up at that point. Baltimore may be trying to win division and a bye, or setting up for first round matchup, which depending on how things play out, could be against the Twins.

If it takes cured meats being tossed around to get them to score some runs down the stretch do it. Sometimes it is something like that that pushes the team into a different space. The Angels in their last WS win had the rally monkey. Other teams come up with stuff. If we can rally behind it and go deep into playoffs it will become stuff of legends.

I have no clue how much pain Buck is or will be in. The question is will him playing through pain be better than his replacement? Buck getting hurt running bases is not new either, which is why when there was push to give him days off as DH to help him stay healthy I pushed back saying he gets hurt hitting and running bases more than fielding. Hopefully he can play well enough to help push us past the finish line.

"We should start our own channel and bring everyone with us like the yes network for the Yankees." This was attempted many years ago. It flopped because they did not have the clout to force cable and satellite providers to be in basic packages. At the time, Fox who owned the regional broadcasting area of FSN, forced the local cable to only allow Victory to be on a higher pay, or not carried at all, because they would have pull fox broadcasting not just FSN. They tried to get gophers on board, but now they have big 10 network. They did not get Wolves or Wild on board because no one could see Victory. So it all failed. Trying to start one up again at this point would be terrible situation. It costs a lot of money to start this up, and broadcasting is in a strange era. Most people are tying to cut cords, so cable is not willing to pay big for regional sports channels because not a ton of demand for it, as people are finding ways around it. The team would be not likely to get Wolves or Wild to join in right now because their media rights would be too much for a small start up broadcasting channel to afford, unless they partnered with them, but right now Wolves do not even know who will be owning them soon. Point is, starting up a channel is not so easy and it was tried year ago and flopped terribly.

Part of the issue is the hitters also stand right over the plate with all their pads on to protect from being hit. Look at all the pads he was wearing. Huge elbow pad, huge hand/wrist pad. I watched the pitch, it was clearly very wild and was not his intention to throw up there. I agree, the pitchers care more about velo and spin than location right now, product of the game, but hitters crowd the plate with all their pads, so they are not worried about being hit, and then get mad when they do get hit. I have seen some hitters be hit by pitches that barely miss the plate. I do think you could move toward some rule where if a pitcher hits x amount of batters they are ejected, and if x amount in a season leads to suspension or something. This particular pitcher has hit a total of 11 hitters in his professional career over 300 innings. It does not appear his is some head hunter out there, but sometimes a pitch gets away, and that one sure did. Remember in all star game when Johnson let one over head of Kruk? No way was Johnson trying to do anything there, it was all star game. I think Merrifield just was upset it hit him in head on a crazy wild pitch, but the kid pitching is not plunking guys left and right or anything.

The franchise is such a mess. It was only a few years ago people were talking about them being the up and coming team in the division. Now they are the laughing stock of the league. It all started with hiring an old manager that had the game pass them by. Since then it has all been downhill.

Overall I like the idea. The only thing I would add is do not be rigid with the 1 time through for the rookies. If they are doing well let them go some extra hitters. I hate the, well they normally will fail so despite dominating right now we need to change it up.

I think part of the issue has been the overall struggle with driving runs in at all. That may be playing into the decision to take greater risks on the bases hoping that the throws are off a little, or a lot, to score the run. I mean, if you do not send the runner and they do not score because of strike out or failed at-bats after, we would most likely be saying, maybe they should have been sent there. I think overall this is just a run of sends that did not work out. If you go back you may see plenty of sends that worked out in other games. I think with these few there was times that runner clearly should not have been sent and they were just in a short period of time.

He very well may be running on fumes, but we would not be in the race without him. Hopefully he can build off this year and be someone we can count on for year to come. Also, hopefully we can get by like Rangers did. Only way we do is if our offense picks it up, but that has been an issue too. It just seems like the whole team is breaking down at the end of the season, not what you want to see, you want to see them going on strong.

You want to sign Verlander to a 3 year deal at 12 a year? He is 41 now, will be 42 all of next season. Meaning he will be 44 when the contract is up. His FIP this year is nearly 5. I would be all for a 1 year deal, but he is making 43 mil this year. I doubt he takes a big cut to come to us. I think he would take a cut to stay in Houston, but not come here. So either a larger pay for one year, or most likely paying dead money for at least 1 year if not 2 when we will need to increase pay to guys like Ryan or Ober in rotation in arb years. Not to mention all the position players that will be in arb years coming up. At least the writer understands that money free one year does not mean you can simply sign a guy for a single season. However, Verlander would be the type that might only get a 1 year deal maybe a 1 year with vesting option kind of thing, but it will be at more money per year most likely. I personally think he is only good for more of back end of rotation now, just because he is getting old and his numbers are reflecting that.

They do not need to play great to make the playoffs, but if the pen does not get better we will be a quick 2 games and done. Unless Lopez can dominate game one and Ober and get really deep game 2 it will be hard to lean on Jax and Duran for too many innings both games. We will need Acala, Sands, and someone else to pitch an inning or two as well.

However, if you invest 10 plus million a year on a relief arm, over multiple years, if they are terrible you still need to keep using them because of how much you have paid them. If you pay them much less it is easier to move on from them. There is 2 reasons for that, one if they are doing terrible no one will pick them up off waivers or trade for them at what they are getting paid, and if you cut them you pay them anyways and other teams will just pick up for cheap while Twins pay the bill. Two, if you do keep them on the roster you need to use them no matter how bad they do. Right now, Emilio Pagan is getting paid 8 mil after his not good seasons for the Twins. He is not being used in high leverage situations and basically a 6th to 7th inning guy or big leads one way or other inning eater. The reason I bring this up, is going out and getting vets, even guys like Pagan who has had a couple of good years but mostly not good years and injury issues to fill lower leverage spots will cost several million. They really are not that much better than going out and grabbing guys like Brock Stewart and hoping you can make them into something good for at least 1 year. Investing big into pen arms can pay off, if they all are good, but you can look year after year of big name guys that just fell apart for a year or more. Some bounce back some do not. Right now the Mets are paying a ton of money for Edwin Diaz, a guy that was top pen arm in 2023 FA year. He was coming off of 5 out of 7 good years, and his contract year was just amazing. He was the best pen FA out there, and Mets paid him like it. 102 over 5 years. Since, he lost a year because of his celebration at WBC, and this year has negative WPA blowing 6 of 21 saves and a FIP of about 4 with walks up and strikeouts down. He has done this before and may bounce back, but paying 21 mil for a guy that you cannot count on, but have to keep running out there is a lot. He is not the only example I could give but is a very extreme one. Point is, you can invest big in pen arms and may not be in any better space then going for cheaper options. Yes, this year after the break things have gone terrible, which includes Duran who was one of best relievers in all of baseball last 2 years.

No way will they pay 12 mil for him for next year. Also, he has a negative WPA this year.

Part of the point of the article is that there is no such thing as a "proven track record" for pens that you can count on. The last significant investment we made for a pen guy was Addison Reed. At least FA wise, and he had a proven track record. He pitched 6 seasons prior to signing with us and was pretty darn good setup guy. We signed him to a 2 year deal and was terrible we cut him and no one picked him up since. He was only 29. Several other examples of "proven track record" pen guys that just fall apart one year. Sometimes they bounce back, but you never know when. Take Taylor Rogers, he had 4 great years for us, then 2020 he was not good at all, and 2021 he bounced back did okay, not great. Then we traded him 2022, where his first month he was amazing, and then fell apart leading to a playoff contending team to trade him away, where he did even worse. He still got a good deal from his prior success and had some okay time in SF, but they are willing to cut him loose to whoever will take his 12 mil a year, because his WPA is negative this year. Point is you cannot ever count on a pen guy to be great. Only very few were ever almost always great and they are in HOF now. Even the saves leader last year and this year for AL, Clase has been the best he ever has this year, but last year he led in saves but had a negative WPA because he blew a ton of saves. Josh Hader was lights out for years, then in 2022 had terrible year. He is back on track doing amazing again. However, you never know when a pen guy will just be terrible or great. It is a huge gamble. You can try to pay big for a "proven track record" but normally that will just be a crap shoot. Sometimes it blows up in a year where they did well most of the year then fell apart.

They cannot rescind the waiver, but they can choose to keep him yes. He was not released and passing waivers. It is not a loophole as unlike before where a team could work out a trade now they just risk losing the player for nothing, generally in hopes of saving money on their books. You do put a guy on waivers unless you are hoping someone takes him now. Before every player would be put on waivers. So I was wrong about them paying him to not pitch next year, I misread the waivers he was on, but they are still hoping someone claims him and his 12 mil next year. I would not say a relief pitcher that has a negative WPA is doing well. His surface numbers are not bad, but he clearly has cost his team more than he has helped them according to that stat.

The fact that SF is willing to pay Rogers 12 million next year to not pitch for them tells you much about what they think of him. He may be doing okay this year, but he actually has negative WPA, which is not good. No way will our FO commit to 12 mil next year for him. If it was just the rest of this year I bet they might.