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    Dean Kremer vs. Bailey Ober: Who Should Stay in Minnesota?

    Dean Kremer and Bailey Ober could both be back in the Twins’ rotation next season, but there may only be room for one. Which pitcher has done enough to earn that spot?

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    As banged up and inconsistent as the Twins’ starting rotation was throughout the 2026 season, plenty of reasons remain for optimism as we turn the page toward 2027. 

    Joe Ryan and Pablo López should both be back in the rotation next season, and assuming both are healthy, that gives the Twins a strong foundation at the top. Taj Bradley also just racked up 205 strikeouts this season, making him one of just 11 pitchers across Major League Baseball to reach that mark. He figures to be a very strong No. 3 option moving forward. Then there’s Mick Abel, Connor Prielipp and Zebby Matthews, all of whom have flashed at different points and could emerge as quality starting options during the 2027 season.

    Finally, there’s Dean Kremer and Bailey Ober. Or, perhaps more accurately, Dean Kremer or Bailey Ober.

    The two pitchers are in very similar positions heading into the offseason. Both will be in their final year of team control in 2027, and both figure to be back-end rotation options at similar prices. The two are scheduled to start the final two games of the season tonight and tomorrow. That leads to an interesting question: Which pitcher, if either, should the Twins keep around next season?

    While I think it’s entirely possible that neither pitcher is back in Minnesota next year, if I had to choose between the two, I’d keep Kremer and bid farewell to Ober. Let’s do a little side-by-side comparison, and we’ll start with the basics.

    It’s worth emphasizing that his sample is much smaller than Ober’s, as Kremer has thrown just 47 ⅓ innings in Minnesota compared to Ober’s 126. Still, the difference is notable across the board. Kremer currently has a 3.80 ERA and 3.81 FIP in his time with the Twins compared 4.21 and 4.52 for Ober. Kremer has given up hits and homers at a lower rate as a result of giving up less hard contact. Neither guy strikes out a ton of hitters, but Kremer is at least staying relatively close to one per inning whereas Ober has fallen far below that.

    Again, Kremer has done this over a much smaller sample, so there’s certainly some caution that needs to be exercised when looking at those numbers. But there’s another important piece of the puzzle here: The Twins have made some slight mechanical adjustments to Kremer, and so far, those tweaks appear to have worked. The biggest change has been raising his arm angle slightly. That's helped his fastball run up in the zone more consistently, while allowing his secondary pitches to dive down more effectively. That might sound like a relatively minor adjustment, but it's had a noticeable impact.

     

    Ober has one of the lowest strikeout rates in baseball. His ability to stay afloat in spite of this is impressive, but gives him a razor-thin margin for error. Kremer has been able to generate more chases out of the zone, and when hitters do chase, they’re making less contact. That gives his entire arsenal a better chance to play, because his fastball is doing a better job of setting up everything else. And while we all know and love Ober’s electric 88 MPH fastball, it just doesn’t set up the rest of his arsenal in quite the same way Kremer’s fastball does.

    That becomes especially evident when looking at the swing-and-miss numbers. Kremer is generating whiffs on 28.7% of all swings, which puts him in the top quarter of all major league pitchers. Ober, meanwhile, is getting whiffs on just 20% of swings, putting him in the bottom tenth of the league. That’s a significant difference for two pitchers who are likely competing for essentially the same role in the rotation.

    The one area where both pitchers have struggled is keeping the ball on the ground. Neither has been particularly effective at generating ground balls, but even there, Kremer holds a slight advantage. And that’s especially important when talking about Ober. It’s no secret that the long ball has been an issue for him throughout his career. His massive 6-foot-9 frame and more than seven feet of extension toward the plate make him one of the most unique pitchers in baseball, but those physical advantages haven’t been enough to consistently prevent opposing hitters from doing damage. And again, any small further loss of velo or stuff at age 31 could lead him into unusable territory.

    One thing Ober has going for him is a history of demonstrating greater upside. For multiple years, he was one of the Twins' best starters bordering on frontline caliber. Coming into the 2024 season, he was being talked about as a potential dark horse Cy Young candidate, combining his extension and command with an excellent changeup that made him incredibly difficult to square up. But sadly that version of Ober may be gone for good. 

    At this point, the Twins have several young pitchers who could take over the back end of the rotation, and while Kremer isn't as exciting of a name as someone like Abel or Prielipp, he's shown enough since arriving in Minnesota to make me think there’s still something there. Maybe the Twins ultimately decide they don’t want either pitcher back in 2027. With both entering their final year of team control, it wouldn’t be surprising to see the organization explore other options. But if the choice comes down to Kremer or Ober, I’m keeping Kremer.

    The mechanical changes have already produced encouraging results, his underlying numbers have been better, and his fastball appears to be setting up the rest of his arsenal more effectively. Ober deserves credit for what he’s accomplished in Minnesota, and it’s a shame to see a pitcher who once looked like such an intriguing long-term piece reach this point. But sometimes a fresh start is best for both sides. If I’m the Twins, I’m keeping Dean Kremer and letting Bailey Ober start fresh with a new team next season.

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    7 minutes ago, ewen21 said:

    No, I am saying Bradley would be a nice #3 if we had Johan and Liriano going at the same time.  It just a happy thought not to be taken on a literal level.

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    Radke and Silva were pretty good, and when Radke retired Baker was pretty good. Bradley could have replaced Boof Bonser as #5 if Gardy and his pitch to contact philosophy didn't mind the higher number of walks.

    2 hours ago, Coach said:

    30HR/100RBI potential iB who can play defense.  Clemens is the answer you're looking for, plus we have him through 2029?

    Do you really believe Clemens is the #3 or #4 batter in a contender's lineup with a .230 BA and ,300 OBP?    Yes, he's had a great year but would you expect a repeat, given his MLB track record?  We need at least one or two more  3-4 WAR players to be a serious contender.  Currently, we have none.

    I think Ober has a higher trade value. 

    This team could probably move one of the 4 expiring contracts for help on the infield or bullpen help.

    Personally, I'd see if you can get a decent young infielder for him. SS capable. 

    And that is nothing to suggest I wouldn't like Ober on the team. He's one of us. He would just make the most sense to move for help elsewhere.  

    9 hours ago, TJSweens said:

    Ober can go. He is declining steadily. His loss of velocity has more than offset the advantage a 7 foot extension gives him. 

    I'm on the fence with Kremer. I don't want a 31 year old back of the rotation starter interfering with guys like Prielipp, Matthews, Able and Rojas taking their next steps. At the same time, history has shown the Twins need rotation depth that runs about 7 pitchers.

    I’d say they need starting pitching depth that runs about 9 pitchers. 
     

    I’d like the Opening day rotation to be Pablo, Joe, Taj, Prielipp and Kremer.  Bid a fond farewell to Bailey and wish him the best wherever he lands.  Able, Festa, Rojas at AAA with hopefully Riley Quick as well. Not sure about Zebby. Might be time to go to the Bullpen where I absolutely believe he could dominate. 

    52 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

    I think Ober has a higher trade value. 

    This team could probably move one of the 4 expiring contracts for help on the infield or bullpen help.

    Personally, I'd see if you can get a decent young infielder for him. SS capable. 

    And that is nothing to suggest I wouldn't like Ober on the team. He's one of us. He would just make the most sense to move for help elsewhere.  

    I'd be shocked if you can even get a top 150 prospect, let alone a guy playing in the majors, who can pay SS, that you'd ever want hitting. I don't think teams trade SS that can hit very often, let alone for a number four starter. 

    Pablo Lopez

    Joe Ryan

    Taj Bradley

    Zebby Matthews

    Dean Kremer

    Mick Abel

    Connor Prelipp

    Bailey Ober

    Maybe Festa??

     

    The Twins have basically 8 guys for 5 spots, I mean they would kind of be like a poor man's Dodgers.  I mean how many starting pitchers do they have rolling around in the organization, or (did have) before the Skubal trade.  I mean the Dodgers have proven that even they need all of the starters in order to have a full consistent season.  Now it would be a great problem if everyone was completely healthy all year long but in all reality, Pablo will probably only be counted on for a solid 20 - 24 Starts.  Let's error on the low side as we know how this always plays out.  Ryan could put together a full season of 32 starts but he hasn't done that lately, but lets say Ryan and put down 29 - 30 starts.  Right now Taj, probably because of his youth and he hasn't been abused over the last 3 - 4 seasons could probably be counted on for 32 starts.  Zebby might be able to take another step forward and start 28 - 30 games.  Zebby and Prelipp have looked to be maturing a little and could be on the cusp of becoming trustworthy of giving them the ball every day.  Kremer as the 5th starter should be counted on for 24 - 25 starts hopefully after showing that he is fully recovered.  Then you have Abel, who knows after recovering from injury maybe he can have 15 solid major league starts?  Then ideally Prelipp 15 solid major league starts puts you at about 162 or so.  Now you still have Ober on the squad for insurance.  I mean in no way do i really want Ober to be starting 30 games a year, but he'd be a great fall back option to throw 20 starts if any of those other guys get hurt which they will, maybe not serious injuries but injured enough to miss 3 - 4 weeks, you know with back spasms or bi lateral leg weakness, and if 2 or 3 of the guys the Twins are depending on have some minor things that put them out for a few weeks here or there then Bailey would come in perfect.  Just my thoughts, can never have enough pitching.  

     

    I mean it would be ideal if the Twins went out and signed Skubal and King after he opts out and then brought in Freddy Peralta as insurance but that won't happen.  The Twins have a good group of decent pitchers and Ober has a lot of major league experience and innings under his belt.  I think he is a good keep if they aren't trying to run him out there at their #3 starter or something like that.

    1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

    I'd be shocked if you can even get a top 150 prospect, let alone a guy playing in the majors, who can pay SS, that you'd ever want hitting. I don't think teams trade SS that can hit very often, let alone for a number four starter. 

    Maybe. 

    I'd have no idea what is possible. I just assume that Ober would bring more than Kremer. And I've seen average starting pitching... even below average starting pitching get moved for some value. 

    Add to it if you have to but Ober would have more value in my opinion. 

    1. In terms of investment for next season, Kremer and Ober are roughly equal (let's say $8MM each, give or take a mil)

    2. The Twins acquired Kremer at the trade deadline knowing this

    3. It doesn't make much sense to spend $16MM on two slots at the back of the rotation, especially since they can't be optioned to AAA if necessary

    4.  Some of y'all are acting like it's not possible for them to acquire more starters in the offseason.  That is an option, whether through free agency or trade, especially if $8MM gets freed up by moving on from one of these guys

    5.  When in doubt, the starter that was recently used out of the bullpen is the likelier of two starters to be cut loose

    To me, it all adds up to goodbye Ober, welcome back Kremer.  Now invest in a ceiling raising starter, and you might actually have the makings of a quality rotation with decent depth next year

    For me, projecting forward who is more likely to continue regressing leads me to want to say goodbye to Ober. What if his stuff drops another level? Pre 2025 Ober is not coming back, whereas Kremer resembled his former self with us. So I think Kremer's back and Ober isn't... they should be able to trade Ober for something, not gonna be a lot, but teams will pay for starting pitching.

    1 hour ago, Twodogs said:

    Pablo Lopez

    Joe Ryan

    Taj Bradley

    Zebby Matthews

    Dean Kremer

    Mick Abel

    Connor Prelipp

    Bailey Ober

    Maybe Festa??

     

    The Twins have basically 8 guys for 5 spots, I mean they would kind of be like a poor man's Dodgers.  I mean how many starting pitchers do they have rolling around in the organization, or (did have) before the Skubal trade.  I mean the Dodgers have proven that even they need all of the starters in order to have a full consistent season.  Now it would be a great problem if everyone was completely healthy all year long but in all reality, Pablo will probably only be counted on for a solid 20 - 24 Starts.  Let's error on the low side as we know how this always plays out.  Ryan could put together a full season of 32 starts but he hasn't done that lately, but lets say Ryan and put down 29 - 30 starts.  Right now Taj, probably because of his youth and he hasn't been abused over the last 3 - 4 seasons could probably be counted on for 32 starts.  Zebby might be able to take another step forward and start 28 - 30 games.  Zebby and Prelipp have looked to be maturing a little and could be on the cusp of becoming trustworthy of giving them the ball every day.  Kremer as the 5th starter should be counted on for 24 - 25 starts hopefully after showing that he is fully recovered.  Then you have Abel, who knows after recovering from injury maybe he can have 15 solid major league starts?  Then ideally Prelipp 15 solid major league starts puts you at about 162 or so.  Now you still have Ober on the squad for insurance.  I mean in no way do i really want Ober to be starting 30 games a year, but he'd be a great fall back option to throw 20 starts if any of those other guys get hurt which they will, maybe not serious injuries but injured enough to miss 3 - 4 weeks, you know with back spasms or bi lateral leg weakness, and if 2 or 3 of the guys the Twins are depending on have some minor things that put them out for a few weeks here or there then Bailey would come in perfect.  Just my thoughts, can never have enough pitching.  

     

    I mean it would be ideal if the Twins went out and signed Skubal and King after he opts out and then brought in Freddy Peralta as insurance but that won't happen.  The Twins have a good group of decent pitchers and Ober has a lot of major league experience and innings under his belt.  I think he is a good keep if they aren't trying to run him out there at their #3 starter or something like that.

    This an interesting post but it ignores the reality of the situation. Both Kremer and Ober have no options. So if they aren’t on the opening day roster where are you putting them?   One or the other has to go.  Neither is a legitimate bullpen option because of their cost and skill set. Matthews does have one more option year but at 28 is he really a good AAA candidate.  
     

    I can’t understand why you would put Prielipp behind Matthews and Able on the rotation depth.  Able has a lot of upside, but he’s going to have to prove it for more than a handful of games and Prielipp had as about as good a rookie year as one could have hoped for. 
     

    I’m not sure what to make of Zebby. So inconsistent.  He’s had three years to show what he can do and the results are inconclusive. His career really tracks the same as Varland. Let’s see what he can do in the bullpen. 

    Ober is good value if he can be a bullpen beast. We need more solid guys that get outs in the late innings. It would be foolish not to try him there. 
    Kremer is still a solid starter for now. He seems to have taken a step up after the trade and delivery tweaks. He should be penciled into the #5 spot and dominate his games against most other #5s in MLB. Keep them both!

    @Twodogs How about starting the season with a 6 man rotation? Pablo is/will be somewhat limited. Ryan has been suffering from burnout. An extra days rest might keep the SP’s healthier until the weather heats up. By the time the end of the season rolls around, it’s about total innings that the best pitchers get. We got quality depth and we should use it to our advantage. 
    Ober goes to the pen. He is no longer starter quality.

    Lopez, Ryan, Bradley, Preillip, Matthews and Kremer.  Abel in AAA as the next man up. Festa hopefully is healthy and can be available for more depth. 
    However it shakes out, we have quality depth but it would always be nice to sign a front line starter via free agency or get one in a trade. 

    I really can't see both guys coming back in 2027 and as noted in the OP, it is more than possible that both will be gone before the first official pitch of the new season is thrown. They are pretty close to the same age with the same wear and tear on their bodies. Ober has been a unicorn, getting outs with an 88 mph heater and lots of movement. Kremer would appear to be more of a standard issue backend guy.

    I think Kremer has a bit more upside so I'd pick him, but if he could net more in a trade than the "bearded nightmare", Ober could stay. 

    15 hours ago, mike8791 said:

    Do you really believe Clemens is the #3 or #4 batter in a contender's lineup with a .230 BA and ,300 OBP?    Yes, he's had a great year but would you expect a repeat, given his MLB track record?  We need at least one or two more  3-4 WAR players to be a serious contender.  Currently, we have none.

    If fear some people are drinking from the same chalice with Clemens as some did with Nick Punto.  How about we take a step back and appreciate what he did this year.  This is hardly his norm and in no way should we expect this from him going forward.  If he supplies us with this kind of production next year, that is gravy.

    This is 2026 going into 2027 throwing 87,88 doesn't play anymore. You may fool hitters the first time around,but not the 2nd time. Ober's offspeed is only 4 or 5 msp different and as you saw last night the Rangers were all over it. If going to the BP can change that then that's where he should be. Kremer has a little more velocity and a bigger difference in his offspeed,so he is #5. 

    With the other arms developing it is time to move Ryan before he and his agent look for the big contract. This is a small market team that needs to think like the Brewers or Rays.

    It was said last night that Lopez left the team to ramp up his rehab. Hopefully that means he is looking to be ready for the start of the season when ever that is.

    Not a hot take: they are both useless! Both have allowed half as many ER in the total innings they have pitched and neither have good velocity to be starting pitchers. And whoever thinks it’s wise to pay Kremer 7-8M in arbitration next season for a team this is cap strapped when it comes to payroll is delusional even if they introduce a salary floor for 2027. The Twins need to trade or sign an upgrade for the rotation if they really want to contend next season. 

    41 minutes ago, Historyking88 said:

    Not a hot take: they are both useless! Both have allowed half as many ER in the total innings they have pitched and neither have good velocity to be starting pitchers. And whoever thinks it’s wise to pay Kremer 7-8M in arbitration next season for a team this is cap strapped when it comes to payroll is delusional even if they introduce a salary floor for 2027. The Twins need to trade or sign an upgrade for the rotation if they really want to contend next season. 

    This gave me a chuckle, if I may be blunt.

     

    I am "Bearish" on almost all pitching on our roster at this current time.  I am going to need to see it and in the case of Lopez, he's coming back after his second TJ, so I have concerns about his personal wellbeing.  I am not trying to see Joel Zumaya 2.0.  I have no real expectations for Lopez. or Matthews for that matter.  He is 9-11 with a 4.90ERA and that is a jump up for him.  I still have a foul taste in my mouth from that absolute debacle at Wrigley Field right about when curious optimism was starting to rise in me (for no good reason) just after the ASB.  Matthews spit the bit in the worst possible way in that series.  I just don't see the dog in him and I never did.  More of the same.  Finesse, pitch to contact kinds of hand jobs.  I am beyond my limit with this.  How can a team literally NEVER draft, raise and bring up a legit pitcher with an AS season?

     

    YOu'd think maybe once we'd get one by accident?  Nope.  I guess we don't deserve good stuff 

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    19 hours ago, JCT66 said:

    This an interesting post but it ignores the reality of the situation. Both Kremer and Ober have no options. So if they aren’t on the opening day roster where are you putting them?   One or the other has to go.  Neither is a legitimate bullpen option because of their cost and skill set. Matthews does have one more option year but at 28 is he really a good AAA candidate.  
     

    I can’t understand why you would put Prielipp behind Matthews and Able on the rotation depth.  Able has a lot of upside, but he’s going to have to prove it for more than a handful of games and Prielipp had as about as good a rookie year as one could have hoped for. 
     

    I’m not sure what to make of Zebby. So inconsistent.  He’s had three years to show what he can do and the results are inconclusive. His career really tracks the same as Varland. Let’s see what he can do in the bullpen. 

    Honestly the only reason I put Prelipp behind Zebby and Abel is because they keep talking about limiting his innings and such.  So I was thinking that they could limit Prelipp early in the season and then let him loose in the 2nd half.  I know its probably not realistic to keep both, but for whatever Kremer or Ober are going to get in arbitration, which honestly shouldn't be a lot.  Whatever they save by releasing one of those guys they won't be able to sign anyone better for that same amount of money.  So maybe Ober is the long guy out of the pen??  But it might not work that way either?

    Kremer pitched well for the Twins in all but two starts. His numbers exclusively for the Twins were very good for a backend starter. It appears to me that he knows how to pitch with whatever sharpness he might have. That is when his cutter and split are sharp, he goes after hitters, when they aren't that good, he nibbles more and pitches more to contact. I think he can be effective without his best stuff, in contrast to Ober, who has to have his best command to be effective.

    Kremer didn't suffer the disasters that younger pitchers with better stuff (Matthews and Preliepp) did. I think those two guys could take that step forward next year. Matthews and Preliepp both showed flashes, but weren't able to sustain. 

    On 9/26/2026 at 11:12 AM, Patzky said:

    Depends. Is that cheating?

    Is Pablo ready to start, Ryan still here, Zebby showing more consistency, Abel able to go more than two or three innings as he reaches, Festa able to pitch at all? Rojas, bullpen, perpetual Saint, or other? Labor stoppage.. will that impact the timelines of Pablo and Abel?

    There's never enough starting pitching.. but I wouldn't necessarily put Mr Pohlads limited money, no matter how much more they purport to spend, toward starting pitching. Kremer can surely start and Ober can start in a spot and do long relief. Maybe the question should be, Ober or Adams?

    as for Lopez, I'm not sure the exact date but it seemed like it was the Middle of April that he had the operation? if it is somewhere around there, you may not be ready at the start of the season. I know there's some differences in how the operation is done to try and make it not take quite as long.

    2 hours ago, Twodogs said:

    Honestly the only reason I put Prelipp behind Zebby and Abel is because they keep talking about limiting his innings and such.  So I was thinking that they could limit Prelipp early in the season and then let him loose in the 2nd half.  I know its probably not realistic to keep both, but for whatever Kremer or Ober are going to get in arbitration, which honestly shouldn't be a lot.  Whatever they save by releasing one of those guys they won't be able to sign anyone better for that same amount of money.  So maybe Ober is the long guy out of the pen??  But it might not work that way either?

    They've never talked about limiting innings, and they didn't do so this year. 

    On 9/26/2026 at 6:26 PM, Riverbrian said:

    I think Ober has a higher trade value. 

    This team could probably move one of the 4 expiring contracts for help on the infield or bullpen help.

    Personally, I'd see if you can get a decent young infielder for him. SS capable. 

    And that is nothing to suggest I wouldn't like Ober on the team. He's one of us. He would just make the most sense to move for help elsewhere.  

    I agree with this.  I don't think the Twins are willing to pay Ober $6mil+ which is his likely arb salary for 2027.  I'm just not sure how much trade value he has for a final arb season.  Maybe trade him before arbitration to a team that will offer him a 3-year deal.

    5 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    They've never talked about limiting innings, and they didn't do so this year. 

    I heard it a lot.  About how the most innings he has ever thrown in a season was like 80 innings.  Getting to 120 innings was kind of a goal and not really going over that mark.  I mean he hardly threw any innings in college?

     

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    So????  They've never ever talked about limiting his innings??

     

    I mean I think it was a pleasant surprise that he was able to throw 120 - 130 innings this season and didn't hurt himself for once.  I hope it continues to move in that direction, but up until this season that has never happened.  Like I said hopefully it gets better as he goes forward, but his history doesn't really say that.  

    For me, it would be Keep Kremer and Trade Ober.  But I'm also trading Joe Ryan this off season as well.  Lopez, Bradley, Prielipp, Matthews, Kremer, Abel and Rojas is a good foundation for a rotation.  I'd start Festa in the BP and work him in gradually.  I'm not giving up on Festa as a SP.  Just going slow with him to begin the season or maybe the entire season.

    It also depends a lot on what the Twins get back for Ryan.  Do we add a solid position player/hitter?  Or do we add a young pitcher or two?  Maybe a veteran Closer? What do the Twins get in an Ober trade?  What about Larnach, Lewis and Wallner? It may seem that we wouldn't get much back for any of them, but you never know until you start having conversations, and then someone might fall in your lap and surprise you.  

    On 9/26/2026 at 4:58 PM, sweetmusicviola16 said:

    All Ober has done in 2026 is be the Twins 2nd or 3rd best pitcher. One could even argue the 2nd best ahead of Ryan who had a dramatic second half fade

    Not. A. High. Bar.

    I can see many controllable scenarios in which they keep both Kremer and Ober, simply because they have no one else to fill in the starting rotation.  Our pitching pipeline is pretty bare.

    But, if they decide to go with just one of those two players, I would chose Kremer.   In his time with the Twins he pitched better than Ober and would probably be cheaper.   If they chose to go with just one, they would non-tender the other.




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