tcarlic Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 Who else thinks Dozier deserves to win the gold glove at 2b? I realize that the award is about politics in baseball and that the most deserving players don't always win it, but the dude has been on point all year with the glove. He makes so many plays that I don't see other 2b making. Can we start a petition?
Beezer07 Provisional Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 Don't know if he hits well enough to win the gold glove.
stringer bell Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 Dozier has been outstanding at second. He deserves to be considered IMHO. I would presume that Pedroia will win and if he doesn't, Robbie Cano will get the award, mostly because they are well known and good offensive players. We all know that Gold Gloves are a crock, but Dozier has played a great defensive second base.
darin617 Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 The gold glove is basically a popularity contest. Also, if you win one you probably will continue winning them as long as you play well.
idowhatiwant Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 Dozier makes some excellent plays at 2nd. He makes almost all the routine plays and that is worth a lot after years of Casilla and company manning 2nd. Still, his range is not elite and he is not gold glove caliber 2B IMO.
Thegrin Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 In the Yahoo fantasy leagues, Dozier is only 37% owned. Most people outside of Twins Territory don't know Dozier exists. What is worse is they don't care.
Jdosen Provisional Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 Is he deserving? Probably--Will he win? Not a chance. As was mentioned earlier, he doesn't hit enough to win one and he is not well enough known around the league.
Badsmerf Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 Dozier makes some excellent plays at 2nd. He makes almost all the routine plays and that is worth a lot after years of Casilla and company manning 2nd. Still, his range is not elite and he is not gold glove caliber 2B IMO.Casilla was pretty good defensively. All the negativity was driven by the Twins.
BHtwins Provisional Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 He is scoring in the top 2 or 3 2nd baseman by most metrics. Problem is he plays in the AL with Pedroia and Cano.....meaning he probably wont win one.
iastfan112 Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 If Dozier continues to play good defense he'll stand a good chance of winning one.....in a couple of years. Takes a few years for a good defensive reputation to spread around if you're not an all star type hitter.
Benchwarmerjim Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 it might make some difference, but Rawlings and SABR have teamed up and is sending a resource guide to the voters along with the ballots New sabermetric component, SABR Defensive Index, revealed for Rawlings Gold Glove Award | SABR
jorgenswest Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 Pedroia deserves to win it this year with his glove. Dozier is very good, but Pedroia is better.
Thrylos Old-Timey Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 it might make some difference, but Rawlings and SABR have teamed up and is sending a resource guide to the voters along with the ballots This does not mean that the voters do not think it is junk mail....
Monkeypaws Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 Don't know if he hits well enough to win the gold glove. There is something wrong about this statement ....
Thegrin Verified Member Posted August 25, 2013 Posted August 25, 2013 and where would you find these stats ? New sabermetric component, SABR Defensive Index, revealed for Rawlings Gold Glove Award | SABR
kab21 Verified Member Posted August 26, 2013 Posted August 26, 2013 Casilla was pretty good defensively. All the negativity was driven by the Twins. Casilla had amazing raw talent but he couldn't make enough routine plays to be pretty good defensively. That wasn't driven by Twins, that was all on him. Dozier deserves to be mentioned as a candidate but he hasn't spent enough time in the majors to get an award like this (he just isn't well enough known) especially when there are several other very strong candidates.
darin617 Verified Member Posted August 26, 2013 Posted August 26, 2013 Is he deserving? Probably--Will he win? Not a chance. As was mentioned earlier, he doesn't hit enough to win one and he is not well enough known around the league. Exactly! Hitting has soon much to do with a defensive award. Too bad defense is not the only thing required to win a gold glove.
ThePuck Provisional Member Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 'Ever since pulling his average above .200 at the end of May, Dozier has been a .265/.343/.488 offensive performer and a fine defensive second baseman...Florimon does what shortstops should do – field. Using Ultimate Zone Rating to judge, Florimon is second among American League shortstops. He makes plays that other shortstops don’t.' Mauer, Morneau, (Pierzynski, Johan) and a bunch of Twins thoughts | A Fan's View | StarTribune.com
Mike Sixel Old-Timey Member Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 It would be awesome if it happened.
SpitefulRabbit617 Verified Member Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 He definately doesnt field well enough to earn the silver slugger
Beezer07 Provisional Member Posted August 28, 2013 Posted August 28, 2013 There is something wrong about this statement .... "Wrong" as in "unjust"? Yes."Wrong" as in "inaccurate"? Sadly, no.
ThePuck Provisional Member Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 Casilla was pretty good defensively. All the negativity was driven by the Twins. He had lots of mental lapses in his earlier years and it didn't take anyone telling the fans for them to see it. Fangraphs says he had a negative UZR in 2007, 2008 and 2009. And the main Twin, Gardy, said he liked Casilla's defense so much that Casilla would compete with Hardy for shortstop (said right before Hardy was traded). So, how did the Twins drive negativity about Casilla's defense? Casilla's bad defense and absentmindedness in his early years drove the negativity.
Mr. Brooks Verified Member Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 I am a huge Dozier fan, I have been outfront with that, even when he was struggling, and even last year when he was a disaster. BUT, he doesn't deserve the gold glove.He's been very good defensively, but Pedroia is just better, by a mile. It has nothing to do with his bat or his popularity, Pedroia is the best defensive second baseman in baseball.
ThePuck Provisional Member Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 I'd say Barney is the best defensive 2B, with Pedroia and Phillips a bit behind him
stringer bell Verified Member Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 I am a huge Dozier fan, I have been outfront with that, even when he was struggling, and even last year when he was a disaster. BUT, he doesn't deserve the gold glove.He's been very good defensively, but Pedroia is just better, by a mile. It has nothing to do with his bat or his popularity, Pedroia is the best defensive second baseman in baseball.I haven't seen a lot of Red Sox games, but when I have, Pedroia has been a standout. I simply don't trust defensive metrics, but they also say he is the "head of the class". Dozier has been great in the field and a bright spot in an increasingly dark season. I am glad he's stepped up.
Mr. Brooks Verified Member Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 I'd say Barney is the best defensive 2B, with Pedroia and Phillips a bit behind him You might be right about Barney, and Phillips is elite too.I SHOULD have said the best in the AL, which is what I meant (in regards to the GG).
ThePuck Provisional Member Posted August 29, 2013 Posted August 29, 2013 You might be right about Barney, and Phillips is elite too.I SHOULD have said the best in the AL, which is what I meant (in regards to the GG). I agree.
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