C'mon JR, Make a Move!

[Vervehound]

This topic might be more relevant tomorrow. As far as we know, TR is working the phones like crazy.

 

i heard they're using their savings from the international pool to help pay their phone bill so he shouldn't have any problems receiving calls.

[TwinsFanInPhilly]

No matter what "JR" does, the usual suspects will complain. If he makes trades the moaning will be that he didn't get enough in return. If no trades are made, the moaning will be he doesn't care. Anyone see the trend?

[cmb0252]

You guys crack me up with all your anger and angst over whether Terry Ryan makes a trade or not.

 

My prediction, he'll make one trade, I'll go out on a limb and say Duensing is gone.

 

If he makes more than two I'll eat my mouse.

 

Anger and angst is a little harsh. It is just annoying that, quoting an Aaron Gleeman tweet, " so many trade deadline reports and rumors flying around right now, but it's amazing how few involve the Twins." We were perceived to be one of the few sellers going into the trade deadline and we haven't even been a real player, at least publicly.

[Badsmerf]

It makes no sense to trade a guy that is a legit MLB player (example: Burton) for a guy that has little chance of making any kind of impact down the road. Get a good prospect and it makes sense, trading just to get a warm body does not.

 

GM's are not stupid. You all are assuming Ryan isn't making a trade because he is tight? He hasn't made a trade because he hasn't been offered a good enough deal. Teams don't just panic and give away players that have a shot at a future in their organization (unless you're Bill Smith).

[Badsmerf]

Anger and angst is a little harsh. It is just annoying that, quoting an Aaron Gleeman tweet, " so many trade deadline reports and rumors flying around right now, but it's amazing how few involve the Twins." We were perceived to be one of the few sellers going into the trade deadline and we haven't even been a real player, at least publicly.

Who are you going to trade!?

 

Morneau: one of the worst 1b in the league with a huge contract....

RP: any of the RP the Twins have now not named Perkins hasn't built enough equity to be worth much

Perkins: young, good, controlled contract at team friendly price.... high asking price, might still get dealt with the right offer

[ThePuck]

Stop. The Twins organization will never have a fire sale. Organizations that respect their fans don't do this. They will move players that make sense, not move them because they have nothing better to do.

 

Are you saying the Twins organization is one that respects their fans?

[drjim]

Anger and angst is a little harsh. It is just annoying that, quoting an Aaron Gleeman tweet, " so many trade deadline reports and rumors flying around right now, but it's amazing how few involve the Twins." We were perceived to be one of the few sellers going into the trade deadline and we haven't even been a real player, at least publicly.

 

Read the rumors - they are big names that lead to clicks but probably won't be moved (ahem, Cliff Lee). National writers don't waste their time on the bit guys the Twins might trade. No one gets excited for Duensing or Burton.

[S.]

Are you saying the Twins organization is one that respects their fans?

Something something something, gonna get some darn good pitchers...

[StormJH1]

I agree with some of the earlier comments on Pelfrey - you think a 2-month rental for Liriano or Morneau would have crappy returns? A Pelfrey rental would be even more brutal. His last 4 starts have been pretty good. If he's turned a corner in his TJ recovery, and this is they type of pitcher he is, he might even be a guy you bring back next year as a mid-rotation guy. If not, that's fine too.

 

I guess the point is that Morneau should be traded, but if the offers all suck, it's really not the end of the world that he plays another 2 months here.

[JB_Iowa]

Anger and angst is a little harsh.

Basically its just a resigned acceptance for me at this point. Can't even work up anger or angst over this team anymore.

[drjim]

No team that respects their fans would have a down cycle.

[old nurse]

No team that respects their fans would have a down cycle.

Other than the Cards, Yankees and Red Sox, which team hasn't had a down cycle recently?

[stringer bell]

Actually, the Red Sox have had a bit of a down cycle, if you ask me.

[John Bonnes]

Make a move?

 

If this thread was started during the offseason, when the Twins are in a position to buy some free agents, I'd agree. But at the trade deadline, when the team has little to no assets to trade, what exactly is the move that needs to be made?

 

I think we're going to lose Morneau, and I think we'll be underwhelmed by what we get for him, and I think that will still be fair. About the only thing that would disappoint me is if the Twins don't pay some of his salary. If not, it's going to feel like they were more interested in saving money than looking to the future again.

[Chris Schad]

Make a move?

 

If this thread was started during the offseason, when the Twins are in a position to buy some free agents, I'd agree. But at the trade deadline, when the team has little to no assets to trade, what exactly is the move that needs to be made?

 

I think we're going to lose Morneau, and I think we'll be underwhelmed by what we get for him, and I think that will still be fair. About the only thing that would disappoint me is if the Twins don't pay some of his salary. If not, it's going to feel like they were more interested in saving money than looking to the future again.

 

I agree, everybody wants a full fledged roster overhaul to get younger talent or whatever. There's just nothing that makes contending GMs start drooling. I made an article on what I thought would happen, but if anybody is expecting a full-fledged fire sale, they're dreaming.

 

Y! SPORTS

[DaveW]

Actually, the Red Sox have had a bit of a down cycle, if you ask me.

Yankees are also in year 1 of a down cycle, they are going to lose Cano and Rivera this off-season and have zero real "studs" any more.

 

Those big Tex, Jeter and A-Rod contracts are so epic.

[DaveW]

I would really hate to see Morneaus Minnesota time end with him being traded for the next Mark Hamburger.

 

If we can't get anything of any sort of value (and I'm talking it has to be better than a ceiling of a future middle relief pitcher or a 4th OF/Util Inf) then I would rather he just play his last two months here and get a proper Twins send off at the end of the year.

 

If someone wants to overpay and give you a guy that can be a SP or a lottery ticket, then do it, but I don't see that happening.

[Nick Nelson]

The value in trading Morneau is that it opens playing time for guys who may be factors going forward and need to be on the field. I don't expect to get anything meaningful in return, especially with the way he's played in July.

[Major League Ready]

Perkins is our only chance at an asset that will contribute to rebuilding. I would let Doumit go just to give Hermann a shot at proving himself at the MLB level.

[stringer bell]

Perkins is our only chance at an asset that will contribute to rebuilding. I would let Doumit go just to give Hermann a shot at proving himself at the MLB level.

I guess I don't see any chance of Herrmann becoming more than a 25th player. His numbers at AA and AAA scream ....mediocre at best. He's done well as a major leaguer, but I doubt he was trying less hard at New Britain and Rochester. I like Pinto a lot more and hope he gets some time this year.

[DaveW]

The value in trading Morneau is that it opens playing time for guys who may be factors going forward and need to be on the field. I don't expect to get anything meaningful in return, especially with the way he's played in July.

 

There are already plenty of at bats for Parmelee if he would ever step up.... I'm not sure who else needs those at bats moving forward. Arcia will get his regardless and a guy like Colabello (or whatever) isn't going to be a starting option moving forward, a borderline bench bat and a great story, but he doesn't need the at bats.

 

This isn't exactly Douggie Glove with Morneau knocking on the door.

[DaveW]

I guess I don't see any chance of Herrmann becoming more than a 25th player. His numbers at AA and AAA scream ....mediocre at best. He's done well as a major leaguer, but I doubt he was trying less hard at New Britain and Rochester. I like Pinto a lot more and hope he gets some time this year.

 

Yeah Hermann is a nice guy to have as Org depth, and is nice as long as he is still cheap. But I would be shocked if he is still in the org by the time he hits arb.

 

I'd like to see Pinto up as well.

[AlwaysinModeration]

Make a move?

 

If this thread was started during the offseason, when the Twins are in a position to buy some free agents, I'd agree. But at the trade deadline, when the team has little to no assets to trade, what exactly is the move that needs to be made?

 

I think we're going to lose Morneau, and I think we'll be underwhelmed by what we get for him, and I think that will still be fair. About the only thing that would disappoint me is if the Twins don't pay some of his salary. If not, it's going to feel like they were more interested in saving money than looking to the future again.

 

John, you sound reasonable, but it feels like you are parroting the company line here. Are Feldman, Crain, Veras, Downs, Hairston and Soriano any more "tradeable assets" than Duensing, Burton, Doumit, Pelfrey, Fien, Willingham or Morneau, let alone Perkins?

 

This season is lost, and it's the third straight 90+ loss season. It seems clear that acquiring any kind of pieces that could help in the future should be the goal. And while the Twins brass has said they are in "sell" mode, it sure doesn't seem like it...at least not in comparison to several other sellers. Maybe Ryan is "working the phones" and saving all of his really big moves for the last 24 hours.....but I am skeptical...

[jay]

Are Feldman, Crain, Veras, Downs, Hairston and Soriano any more "tradeable assets" than Duensing, Burton, Doumit, Pelfrey, Fien, Willingham or Morneau, let alone Perkins?

 

So, six guys have been traded to fill some various roles on contenders. If 10 teams are "sellers", we're talking less than 1 trade per seller.

 

Downs and Hairston are the only two where the Twins have a comparable guy they could have offered (Duensing and Doumit). What was the return for those two trades? Marginal. Perkins could bring a haul, but plenty of folks here don't support trading him.

 

It's not to say we aren't all hopeful a move happens for various reasons, but I'd say John is using more perspective than company line.

[Alex]

The value in trading Morneau is that it opens playing time for guys who may be factors going forward and need to be on the field. I don't expect to get anything meaningful in return, especially with the way he's played in July.

 

Exactly.

[big dog]

So, six guys have been traded to fill some various roles on contenders. If 10 teams are "sellers", we're talking less than 1 trade per seller.

 

Downs and Hairston are the only two where the Twins have a comparable guy they could have offered (Duensing and Doumit).

 

I think even that's a stretch- I'd take Downs over Duensing in a second. Trade Doumit to open up a spot in the lineup? Sure. Trade to get valuable chips? Naw...

[Halsey Hall]

I expect Morneau to be here next year. I really wouldn't be surprised, or disappointed if there were no moves now.

[Kobs]

This topic might be more relevant tomorrow. As far as we know, TR is working the phones like crazy.

 

If there's one thing we know, it's that JR is not working the phones "like crazy." He may be having a slow discourse or two with some other GM he is comfortable with about some sort of move they might consider to net the Twins a no hit infielder.

[Linus]

[aqQUOTE=Kobs;146222]If there's one thing we know, it's that JR is not working the phones "like crazy." He may be having a slow discourse or two with some other GM he is comfortable with about some sort of move they might consider to net the Twins a no hit infielder.

 

Really, we know this? That's amazing - you should be the GM. Mind reading would be such an advantage at the trading deadline.

[AlwaysinModeration]

If there's one thing we know, it's that JR is not working the phones "like crazy." He may be having a slow discourse or two with some other GM he is comfortable with about some sort of move they might consider to net the Twins a no hit infielder.

 

It sounds like you have a mole in the Twins' war room!