Multiple Twins Missing From The Athletic’s All-Quarter Century MLB Team

[NYCTK]

3 hours ago, Fire Dan Gladden said:

Santana? No discussion of Grienke, Pettitte, Wainright, Buerhle, and a handful of others that probably deserve consideration ahead of him.

Good list. I'll add some later quarter century names; Chris Sale, Gerrit Cole, and Jacob deGrom. We often don't appreciate our current stars until it's too late. Each of these three have, I'd argue, put together a better career than Johan, both in longevity and in peak. 

[USAFChief]

52 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Cody's articles are getting harder and harder to read, any valid point(s) he makes is over shadowed by inserting his political view and thus dis-railing the conversation. I am going to go with the George Bush quote (paraphrasing) Cody fool me once, I won't get fooled again. If he is the author of the article I will skip it because why bother writing a baseball article if it is just going to turn into a political spat. Hey maybe that is the only way he can get comments on his articles? 

Concur.

I've been trying hard for some time now not to get suckered into giving a Christie article a click.

He puts out articles almost daily, and one is just worse than the next. Click bait trash, often stolen from regular posters and just repackaged as his own.

But this "article" is a new low. "Flyover territory woe is us," " poor Joe Mauer!," add in some politics to really get the readers going. Nothing but blatant, obvious attempts to get clicks. 

I've made my last mistake on this author.  I will not click another of his articles. 

 

 

[Schmoeman5]

And Stop using Sandy Koufax as a measuring stick as well. Sandy's 61-66 seasons were as good as any. Yes, playing for Brooklyn/LA helped his cause. I think he was 31 when he hung up his spikes. Could he have put together another 3 or 4 seasons of dominance?  We'll never know. But all signs pointed to a big yes in that era of the pitcher. Especially when a guy won a game 7 in the WS with a 1 pitch arsenal. 

[Schmoeman5]

24 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Concur.

I've been trying hard for some time now not to get suckered into giving a Christie article a click.

He puts out articles almost daily, and one is just worse than the next. Click bait trash, often stolen from regular posters and just repackaged as his own.

But this "article" is a new low. "Flyover territory woe is us," " poor Joe Mauer!," add in some politics to really get the readers going. Nothing but blatant, obvious attempts to get clicks. 

I've made my last mistake on this author.  I will not click another of his articles. 

 

 

There's been quite a few of them as of late. It's bad enough that for the next month it's going to be every player on the 40 man will be on the move to some unknown team in return for an unknown quantity. Oh and Royce coming off his 0-8 rehab assignment will join the Twins in Miami. GO TWINS!

[MMMordabito]

3 hours ago, NYCTK said:

Our democracy is currently, as I write this,  "Blah,blah,blah"

If you live in the United States, you don't live in a democracy.

You and the OP need to brush up on your high school government.

I do blame the MSM for this though, because they quote folks saying things like "existential threat to our democracy" all the time.  Don't worry though, there can't be an existential threat to something that never existed in the first place.

[Schmoeman5]

8 minutes ago, MMMordabito said:

If you live in the United States, you don't live in a democracy.

You and the OP need to brush up on your high school government.

I do blame the MSM for this though, because they quote folks saying things like "existential threat to our democracy" all the time.  Don't worry though, there can't be an existential threat to something that never existed in the first place.

Are AOC and MSM new stats?  How and what do they measure? I looked at every Baseball reference and did not see them.

[Parfigliano]

1 hour ago, NYCTK said:

Good list. I'll add some later quarter century names; Chris Sale, Gerrit Cole, and Jacob deGrom. We often don't appreciate our current stars until it's too late. Each of these three have, I'd argue, put together a better career than Johan, both in longevity and in peak. 

deGrom was must see TV in his Mets prime.  Watched many a game where he'd go 7-8 innings strike out 11 and leave the game losing 2-1 or 1-0.

[Rod Carews Birthday]

2 hours ago, NYCTK said:

I didn't bring up politics. I'm responding to someone that is complaining that they don't have a safe space from the highly triggering 6 words "especially in our current political climate".

I might only add that "especially in our current political climate" plays pretty hard in head nod to both sides of the equation.  I think each side of the divide thinks this exact thing, but for completely different reasons.  I certainly know people like that.  For that reason, I think it is a throwaway line to make the writer seem relatable and a normal everyday person.  I don't know Cody, nor his politics, and don't care about them.  I'm also sure that it wasn't worth getting upset about.  His point was that sometimes democracy (a vote) gets it wrong, and I don't think anyone would disagree with that (albeit for opposite reasons).  

[mnfireman]

11 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

Are AOC and MSM new stats?  How and what do they measure? I looked at every Baseball reference and did not see them.

Since I mentioned them.....

AOC - Advanced On Contact

MSM - Mighty Swing & Miss

Or something close to this....

[NYCTK]

22 minutes ago, MMMordabito said:

If you live in the United States, you don't live in a democracy.

You and the OP need to brush up on your high school government.

I do blame the MSM for this though, because they quote folks saying things like "existential threat to our democracy" all the time.  Don't worry though, there can't be an existential threat to something that never existed in the first place.

Weird. Feel like I just voted last week. Oh well, thanks for letting me know. 

[NYCTK]

19 minutes ago, Parfigliano said:

deGrom was must see TV in his Mets prime.  Watched many a game where he'd go 7-8 innings strike out 11 and leave the game losing 2-1 or 1-0.

I'm a dummy and was slow to adopt the Mets, out of some stupid loyalty to the Twins, so I missed out on peak deGrom. Only really saw post-covid deGrom unfortunately, which while still great, was severely hampered by injury. 

[The Great Hambino]

23 minutes ago, Parfigliano said:

deGrom was must see TV in his Mets prime.  Watched many a game where he'd go 7-8 innings strike out 11 and leave the game losing 2-1 or 1-0.

I can’t remember where I saw or heard it, but one of my favorite nuggets about degrom was that year where he was utterly dominant but barely over .500: if he had gotten exactly four runs of support every start, he wouldn’t have had a single loss

[tony&rodney]

Martin Maldonado has caught over 1,000 games and been an important part of some really good teams. I respect the hell out of his work behind the plate just as I had enormous respect for Molina. No way is Molina above Joe Mauer as a catcher unless the criteria is the number of games caught. Buster Posey was really good, but he was no Joe Mauer. I'm not sure how a player like Mauer became so under-appreciated. 

[Fezig]

The Athletic is owned by the NY Times and the NY Times is garbage. Therefore, anything that comes from that bird cage liner is worth less than the paper it's printed on.

[theBOMisthebomb]

Perhaps more Gardy era playoff success would have boosted some of the cases. 

[mluebker]

On 6/30/2025 at 8:19 AM, The Great Hambino said:

…remind me again which coast the booming metropolis of St Louis is on

The, uh, Mississippi Coast? (And that would mean the Twins are a bicoastal team, right? Straddling the old “Father of Waters,” as the Cities do…)

[Trov]

So the article said the list was the most "significant" which is a loaded word and can be read several ways.  Like at catcher Posey was very significant, because he changed the rules of the game as we know them.  When he broke his leg blocking the plate getting run over the rules changed, that alone makes him significant.  The fact that he was a MVP candidate is what made the rule change too.  If it was back catcher it may not have happened, and people would have said tough break. Molina was a guy that no one would steal on, and he would throw behind the runners.  I think Joe could have been ahead of him, but Molina and Posey also spent full career at catcher.

Santana I fully agree should have been mentioned, and if we could have won a playoff series with him maybe he would have.  He was a dominate pitcher but never went beyond round 1, and even lost a few of his starts in the playoffs. That is what people will remember too if you even think of the Twins. 

Nathan, I loved the guy and he got the job done in the regular season, but he was not great in the playoffs.  Again, he did not have those moments in the playoffs you remember for shutting a team down.  Not fully his fault, and maybe could have bounced Wagner, Jansen, or Kimbrel on the list. 

[RpR]

I did not book mark it, but there was a site , yesterday, where Mauer was in the group of the best 5 catchers of all time.