Orioles (TBD) vs Twins (Matthews): 9/28/24, 6:15pm

[Hubie29]

14 minutes ago, LewFordLives said:

I haven't given up on SWR. There's enough there to like. 

I haven't given up on him either. But he isn't ready for a rotation spot with an avg of 4 2/3 innings per start. He definitely needs to work on multiple things, especially location. He taxes our bullpen every start.  And we saw how inept our BP was.  Festa is in the same boat.  We need 2 reliable starters added to our big 3. We can't have another year like this year. 

[Hubie29]

12 minutes ago, Western SD Fan said:

Ok. What do you think about the speculation of Jax wanting to be in the rotation? I think it would be a mistake but I’m curious of other’s opinions.

I don't really like it.  Our bullpen is pathetic the way it is. Why weaken it more?  Can't trust this front office to bring in top notch relievers.

[Craig Arko]

4 minutes ago, Hubie29 said:

I don't really like it.  Our bullpen is pathetic the way it is. Why weaken it more?  Can't trust this front office to bring in top notch relievers.

I don’t think they’ll get very far with a three man rotation. 

[IndianaTwin]

22 minutes ago, karcherd said:

I really hope they don't count on Paddack again.  There is no good history of coming back from 2 TJ surgeries.  And he is not that good of a pitcher, one good year in 2019.  Can we set the bar a little higher or else you may  as well go with the kids.

My statement wasn't reflective of my "hope for," but a reflection of what I think is likelihood.

1. As Western SD notes, they have money in Paddack (and it's hard to imagine another team taking on the contract).
2. I don't know if the front office has made any actual statements on expected payroll, but folks seem to think it will be similar to this year. With the increase for Lopez and arbitration for others balancing the money coming off the books, it's hard to imagine taking on anything more than a Bundy-level flyer (if that). The other option is they can pull off an Arraez-for-Lopez-type trade, which was basically a salary wash before they extended Lopez. But I'm not sure who they have to trade that would draw interest. At one point, it seemed Castro might bring something, but with the way he tailed off, I doubt it. With all that, we're looking at people currently in the system.
3. Additionally, they have shown an unwillingness to start with two complete youngsters in the Opening Day rotation, which is what they'd have if they don't use Paddack and have to go with two of SWR (99 ERA+), Matthews (73 ERA+ and falling), Festa (85) and others.
4. On a second TJS: https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/pitcher-results-after-2nd-tommy-john-surgery/. His summary statement is, "Overall, pitchers seem to return from their second Tommy John surgery and throw comparable to when they did before the operation." If you look at his game log, there are actually a bunch of good games and some real clunkers, which is also common in the first year following a TJS. He also has the advantage of being younger than the typical two-time TJS pitcher. The average age for them is 29 at the second surgery, whereas he will be 29 on Opening Day. 

I know there are folks who would like to see Paddack transition to the bullpen full-time. I wouldn't be opposed to that, but with the money they have in Paddack, I think they will keep him as a starter for as long as they can.

[Hubie29]

1 minute ago, Craig Arko said:

I don’t think they’ll get very far with a three man rotation. 

If you have read my posts, I said we need an upgrade at the 4 and 5 spot.  Not hard to figure out. 

[thelanges5]

5 minutes ago, exeoud said:

Moved up from 17 to 15 in draft order over the last 2 days. Hopefully they can move up to 14 with a loss and a Cardinals win tomorrow.

No playoffs so I think they’re in the lottery too

[IndianaTwin]

20 minutes ago, Western SD Fan said:

Ok. What do you think about the speculation of Jax wanting to be in the rotation? I think it would be a mistake but I’m curious of other’s opinions.

In the interest of brevity, I didn't add him as an option in my previous response. I'm kinda scared to go that route, but there were a couple guys who made the transition. They got off to decent starts, but I'm not sure how they held up. I don't like messing with success, but with the numbers he put up this year, it's also tempting to try getting more innings out of him. 

[Patzky]

3 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

My statement wasn't reflective of my "hope for," but a reflection of what I think is likelihood.

1. As Western SD notes, they have money in Paddack (and it's hard to imagine another team taking on the contract).
2. I don't know if the front office has made any actual statements on expected payroll, but folks seem to think it will be similar to this year. With the increase for Lopez and arbitration for others balancing the money coming off the books, it's hard to imagine taking on anything more than a Bundy-level flyer (if that). The other option is they can pull off an Arraez-for-Lopez-type trade, which was basically a salary wash before they extended Lopez. But I'm not sure who they have to trade that would draw interest. At one point, it seemed Castro might bring something, but with the way he tailed off, I doubt it. With all that, we're looking at people currently in the system.
3. Additionally, they have shown an unwillingness to start with two complete youngsters in the Opening Day rotation, which is what they'd have if they don't use Paddack and have to go with two of SWR (99 ERA+), Matthews (73 ERA+ and falling), Festa (85) and others.
4. On a second TJS: https://fantasy.fangraphs.com/pitcher-results-after-2nd-tommy-john-surgery/. His summary statement is, "Overall, pitchers seem to return from their second Tommy John surgery and throw comparable to when they did before the operation." If you look at his game log, there are actually a bunch of good games and some real clunkers, which is also common in the first year following a TJS. He also has the advantage of being younger than the typical two-time TJS pitcher. The average age for them is 29 at the second surgery, whereas he will be 29 on Opening Day. 

I know there are folks who would like to see Paddack transition to the bullpen full-time. I wouldn't be opposed to that, but with the money they have in Paddack, I think they will keep him as a starter for as long as they can.

I'm fine with letting Paddack compete for a starting job. The kids helped out this year but they aren't ready for the rigors of the show for an entire season. 

[CRF]

Only one (hopefully) game left for Margot in a Twins uni. That's a good thing. 

[thelanges5]

Just now, Patzky said:

I'm fine with letting Paddack compete for a starting job. The kids helped out this year but they aren't ready for the rigors of the show for an entire season. 

Agreed unless they can trade him, but that would more than likely mean paying down part of his salary.

not sure what the money will look like, if any. But maybe they could sign a  Lorenzen type. He was around five mil and had a pretty good season.
 

 

[thelanges5]

This game is going slow and there are so many more innings to pitch.

[Craig Arko]

6 minutes ago, Hubie29 said:

If you have read my posts, I said we need an upgrade at the 4 and 5 spot.  Not hard to figure out. 

Get back to us when you’ve handled that, then.

[IndianaTwin]

2 minutes ago, Patzky said:

I'm fine with letting Paddack compete for a starting job. The kids helped out this year but they aren't ready for the rigors of the show for an entire season. 

Also didn't add that part, but I think the "aren't ready for the rigors of the show for an entire season" is also reason why they will prefer starting Matthews and Festa in St. Paul. 

[Hubie29]

2 minutes ago, Craig Arko said:

Get back to us when you’ve handled that, then.

I didn't know my name was Joe Pohlad or Falvey or Levine. If you are happy with status quo, God bless ya! Buy up those season tix!

[NYCTK]

6 hours ago, mrtwinsfan said:

Found this from the Twins beat writer, --   Facts-------

I ran out of gas,” Royce Lewis said. “I'm trying my best. It's a different grind.”

That’s something that Lewis had reiterated at various points toward the end of the season -- that he and the young players hadn’t experienced such a long season, that they were physically catching up.

But Carlos Correa disagreed with that reasoning.

“Everybody runs out of gas at the end of the year,” Correa said. “The season is damn long. The guys that stay resilient and the guys that stay strong mentally are the guys that succeed. We did not do any of those things. Being tired is an excuse that's not valid at this point.”

He missed the first half the season. Jesus he's a diva. 

[IndianaTwin]

4 minutes ago, thelanges5 said:

Agreed unless they can trade him, but that would more than likely mean paying down part of his salary.

not sure what the money will look like, if any. But maybe they could sign a  Lorenzen type. He was around five mil and had a pretty good season.
 

 

The trick is figuring out which flyer is going to turn out like Lorenzen and which will turn out like Archer. 😀

[thelanges5]

Just now, IndianaTwin said:

The trick is figuring out which flyer is going to turn out like Lorenzen and which will turn out like Archer. 😀

So true!

[IndianaTwin]

Sorry, I've taken us drastically off the Game Thread. I won't make any more comments about next year's rotation. 

 

[Patzky]

4 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

Also didn't add that part, but I think the "aren't ready for the rigors of the show for an entire season" is also reason why they will prefer starting Matthews and Festa in St. Paul. 

That would be good for them and good for the team. Please no more Dobnak and Jacksons..

[thelanges5]

3 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

Sorry, I've taken us drastically off the Game Thread. I won't make any more comments about next year's rotation. 

 

No worries, there’s not much of a game to talk about anyways.

[Patzky]

3 minutes ago, IndianaTwin said:

Sorry, I've taken us drastically off the Game Thread. I won't make any more comments about next year's rotation. 

 

No, 0-8 is grateful for going off thread..

[thelanges5]

Castillo with the first 0 of the night. 

[IndianaTwin]

For the record, the Baltimore line score of 23111 is the ZIP code for Mechanicsville, Va., about 150 miles from Camden Yards.* 

*Also for the record, the Twins' 00000 is non-existent as a ZIP code, which seems fitting as a descriptor for their offense.,  

[thelanges5]

Os probably don’t want be playing these games anymore than we do at this point. 

[Patzky]

3 minutes ago, thelanges5 said:

Os probably don’t want be playing these games anymore than we do at this point. 

I can tell. 😏

[thelanges5]

Another out on the bases. Keep it going fellas 👎🏻

[sampleSizeOfOne]

Did we win yet?

Ya know, to go out on a high note?

[thelanges5]

Just now, sampleSizeOfOne said:

Did we win yet?

Ya know, to go out on a high note?

Not yet. They’re still working on it ⚾️⚾️

[Patzky]

1 minute ago, sampleSizeOfOne said:

Did we win yet?

Ya know, to go out on a high note?

That high note is the fat lady singing.

[sampleSizeOfOne]

28 minutes ago, thelanges5 said:

No playoffs so I think they’re in the lottery too

Twins'mn?