Rumor: Will the St Louis Cardinals Trade Nolan Arenado?

[TwinsDr2021]

17 hours ago, Jocko87 said:

Agreed but it’s an example of his experience curve being short circuited. I would wager that he has the least game experience of any 24yo former #1 overall and it matters. I would argue the awkward running on the ACL is the same thing. It could happen at anytime but we have to minimize those situations at the ML level. It’s the whole reason the minor leagues exist. 

Not really understanding what you are trying to say. There have been plenty of #1 overall picks with less game experience than Royce when they started playing the majors. For example Spencer Torkelson played less college and minor league games than Lewis. When you add in that he is 24 that just makes it look worse on him, he has been in professional baseball for 7 years.

[tony&rodney]

Slim to no chance that the Twins have even inquired about either Goldy or Arenado. The Cardinals are not going to trade for any bats, which means any possible discussion starts with Ober or Ryan and others (Raya, Balazovic, etc.). 

[strumdatjag]

7 hours ago, Jocko87 said:

To carry on the analogy, Donald Rumsfeld never met a defense contractor he wouldn't buy something from.  It would be a terrible General that wouldn't implement a new weapon if it became available.

Again, if we can’t get more offense out of what we have, then it would be a poor decision to deplete our pipeline of future players for a pipe dream this year.  If the Twins current team can start to produce at a better level - where is that going to be?   If Vasquez starts to hit better, then there is no need to trade an asset for another catcher.   The same holds true for the infield and outfield.  
Finally - Nobody is trading a stud for Kepler and/or Gallo - Not on this planet in the world of reality.!!! 
 

[GopherJeff]

It would be great to add a bat like Arenado's to the lineup. Even though he's 32, he's still got some offensive clout - and to a puny Twins lineup,, that would be a plus.

The Twins would not only have to give up some young talent (probably pitchers), Also, Arenado's contract is pricey. Would his contract - plus Correa's - eat up too much of the Twins limited payroll?

How much is it worth to win the AL Central in 2023, only to be ousted in the first round of the playoffs? You never know though - would adding a bat like Arenado's (or Goldschmidt's) be the catalyst needed to get to the next level? 

[KBJ1]

Please, none of you can be serious?

$31M /yr for a player on the downside of his career? 

What the Twins need Is a new hitting coach (Molitor) who can teach hitters to track the ball and hit line drives around the field.

Because we signed Correa instead of simply bringing up Lewis, we were stuck playing him out of position. He lasted two innings and blew out his ACL.

Put Lewis and 3B, period. Get a proven RH outfield hitter if you must and either put Buxton in CF or IL him. Enough of this DH crap already.

Solano is the only veteran with the right plate approach. Let's hope the Twins don't ruin Lanarch, Walner, Kiriloff and Lewis's approach as well.

Pagan, Sands, Kepler & Gallo all need to go!

This is the best World Series window this team has seen in 20 years and they are about to blow it unless there is a complete pivot in the batters box approach.

[Coach Wheels]

On 7/11/2023 at 11:50 AM, Brock Beauchamp said:

Nolan Arenado seems like a perfectly reasonable chap who was kinda done dirty by the Colorado Rockies (though being forcibly booted out of that organization is something of a blessing). Jon Heyman asked him a few questions the other day and Arenado says he isn't expecting a trade but wouldn't be surprised by one, either.

Things are bleak in St Louis. The Cardinals aren't used to losing like this and it appears no one really knows how to handle their current struggles. Things were obviously very wrong when Marmol heaved Willson Contreras under the bus and while the Cards have put together a couple of small winning streaks, they've gone right back to losing again afterward.

Truth be told, I hadn't even considered an Arenado trade. While he's aging toward his mid-30s, he's still very productive with the bat and his contract is quite reasonable through 2027, given that the Rockies are on the hook for $5 million per year for the next three years.

It's quite obvious the Cardinals will be selling but to what extent? And given the Twins' offensive woes, can they simultaneously afford and not afford to pursue an expensive-but-good player with loads of control remaining?

 

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There is no way the Twins are trading their prospects for Arenado. This goes against everything the organization does; taking huge contracts is not their MO

[Otaknam]

I’d be more interested in Goldschmidt than Arenado because he can play first, leaving Lewis at third. Would Larnach and Julien get the deal done? I really like Julien, but his defense is suspect. Twins don’t have many pitching prospects left after last year’s trade debacles. 

[Coach Wheels]

On 7/11/2023 at 4:21 PM, Rod Carews Birthday said:

I really can't imagine this would happen, but I would happily deal Miranda and Larnach/Julien for Arenado.  If Lewis moves over to 2B, then he takes over there long term and you don't need Julien.  If everyone (Polanco, Lewis) is healthy, you still are one man long, but that doesn't seem like an imminent situation.  I have a feeling that they won't care much about a returning hitter, so which other pitcher could you send?  SWR? Varland? Headrick? Festa?

Is there any chance that this works on their end?  Not sure, but it would certainly help the Twins. 

I think the Cards will want more than Miranda and Larnach to make this happen. Teams trade for young arms, not bats hitting .206 and .215

[Mike Sixel]

3 minutes ago, Coach Wheels said:

I think the Cards will want more than Miranda and Larnach to make this happen. Teams trade for young arms, not bats hitting .206 and .215

How many arms not named Varland would they need to include?

I don't think the Cards are dealing him......

[Jocko87]

8 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

Not really understanding what you are trying to say. There have been plenty of #1 overall picks with less game experience than Royce when they started playing the majors. For example Spencer Torkelson played less college and minor league games than Lewis. When you add in that he is 24 that just makes it look worse on him, he has been in professional baseball for 7 years.

Working out great for Torkelson I’d say. A .656 OPS and negative WAR in almost 200 ML games isn’t exactly an example to emulate. He may still be good and he was dominant in the low minors as you would expect a college player to be but his time in the minors was not injury interrupted either.  He also plays the easiest position on the field.  He probably wouldn’t be up except for being a Tiger.  

What I’m saying is that if they screw with Royce too much he will end up Torkelson.  Or Tim Beckham. Or Delmon Young. 

[Coach Wheels]

2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

How many arms not named Varland would they need to include?

I don't think the Cards are dealing him......

I agree. Varland plus a couple more; Woods-Richardson would be an easy pick but his ERA is over 7 at St. Paul right now. 

The Twins need bats but mortgaging the future isn't their DNA and as good as Steele has been in Cincy, you know Mgmt is hesitant to make a big splash

[dxpavelka]

On 7/12/2023 at 10:18 AM, TopGunn#22 said:

Here's a deal that I would propose because as others have pointed out, the Cards need pitching.   Using BBTV's:

Twins Get:  Arenado 3B  -11.6 value  32 y/o   Goldschmidt 1B  21.1 value  35 y/o and CASH to lower Arenado's cost and mitigate his negative value.  The cash contribution puts the Twins Total Value acquired at 24.50

Cards Get:  L. Varland RHSP 10.3  Josh Winder RHP  5.8  Miranda 3B/1B  8.9   Total value:  25.00.

These two bats would instantly upgrade the Twins offense and we'd have Goldy & Noley for all of 2024.  We haven't touched anyone in our current starting rotation.  Bullpen help would still be needed.  Maybe the deal could be expanded slightly to include a BP piece the Cards would be willing to part with.  But I would also contend that this type of deal would lead to other deals. 

This is what I'm talking about when I urge that the Twins should be buyers as well as sellers.  We need to remake the composition of our roster.  Polanco would be at the top of my list before his value completely craters (it's currently at 7.3).  Gallo  2.7   Kepler 1.2  Theilbar 12.7, Larnach 16.4,  Solano 2.4, Winder 5.8, should ALL be considered in various forms of buying or selling type of trades.  What else could we add if we parted with some of these players?

Adding Goldy & Arenado means Lewis is playing 2B and/or CF (or certainly LF).  Kirilloff moves to RF fulltime.  Julien is playing 2B when Lewis isn't and maybe DH'ing a bit more too.  Julien should also get a look in LF.  

Possible Lineup:  (assuming Buxton can only play DH)

Julien 2B (Farmer comes in for defense 7th inning)

Goldy 1B

Kirilloff RF   (the power isn't there yet, but he gets on base considtently)

Arenado 3B

Correa  SS (counting on a better 2nd half of the season)

Lewis  LF (when he returns)  2B full time if an OF also acquired at deadline moving Julien to DH

Buxton  DH

Jeffers  C

Kepler/MAT CF  (either or both should be moved so acquiring a Bellinger type would be low cost and necessary).

That's a MUCH better lineup than what we currently have obviously.  This lineup has some positional flexibility even if Lewis doesn't play OF but other moves would be needed.

 

 

Hit me up when that deal happens so I can watch for the flying cows & pigs.

 

[Hashim]

On 7/12/2023 at 10:18 AM, TopGunn#22 said:

Here's a deal that I would propose because as others have pointed out, the Cards need pitching.   Using BBTV's:

Twins Get:  Arenado 3B  -11.6 value  32 y/o   Goldschmidt 1B  21.1 value  35 y/o and CASH to lower Arenado's cost and mitigate his negative value.  The cash contribution puts the Twins Total Value acquired at 24.50

Cards Get:  L. Varland RHSP 10.3  Josh Winder RHP  5.8  Miranda 3B/1B  8.9   Total value:  25.00.

These two bats would instantly upgrade the Twins offense and we'd have Goldy & Noley for all of 2024.  We haven't touched anyone in our current starting rotation.  Bullpen help would still be needed.  Maybe the deal could be expanded slightly to include a BP piece the Cards would be willing to part with.  But I would also contend that this type of deal would lead to other deals. 

This is what I'm talking about when I urge that the Twins should be buyers as well as sellers.  We need to remake the composition of our roster.  Polanco would be at the top of my list before his value completely craters (it's currently at 7.3).  Gallo  2.7   Kepler 1.2  Theilbar 12.7, Larnach 16.4,  Solano 2.4, Winder 5.8, should ALL be considered in various forms of buying or selling type of trades.  What else could we add if we parted with some of these players?

Adding Goldy & Arenado means Lewis is playing 2B and/or CF (or certainly LF).  Kirilloff moves to RF fulltime.  Julien is playing 2B when Lewis isn't and maybe DH'ing a bit more too.  Julien should also get a look in LF.  

Possible Lineup:  (assuming Buxton can only play DH)

Julien 2B (Farmer comes in for defense 7th inning)

Goldy 1B

Kirilloff RF   (the power isn't there yet, but he gets on base considtently)

Arenado 3B

Correa  SS (counting on a better 2nd half of the season)

Lewis  LF (when he returns)  2B full time if an OF also acquired at deadline moving Julien to DH

Buxton  DH

Jeffers  C

Kepler/MAT CF  (either or both should be moved so acquiring a Bellinger type would be low cost and necessary).

That's a MUCH better lineup than what we currently have obviously.  This lineup has some positional flexibility even if Lewis doesn't play OF but other moves would be needed.

 

 

I’d love this lineup. We have to stop relying on these older guys like Kepler and especially Polanco. Polanco is always injured. 

[Shobae]

Why would the cardinals trade one of their star players when they have a solid offense and many young talented players who could be competitive next year if they invest in pitching?? Goldschmidt is a different conversation given he only has a year and a half left, but come on why the hell would they trade a guy with 4.5 years left who gets butts in the seats??? The only reason I could see this being viable if you think that this is the move that's needed to unlock Jordan Walkers potential, but you better not be wrong about that. Even then seems extremely risky and like a bad business decision, not to mention how player would view your org if you traded a guy who didn't test the market because he wanted to stay there. Not exactly a great look.