Game Thread Twins @ White Sox 1:10pm cdt 7/1/2021 ad

[GCTF]

4 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Gladden's comment on injury: "The hand is a long way from the leg."

Sounds like Dan has been riding his motorcycle without his helmet again.

[Irishman]

32 minutes ago, shortround81 said:

This has probably been reported elsewhere, but Shoemaker has been DFA'd! Praise be!

Shoemaker gone!  Best news ever.   

[Irishman]

32 minutes ago, shortround81 said:

This has probably been reported elsewhere, but Shoemaker has been DFA'd! Praise be!

Shoemaker gone!  Best news ever.   

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, Aggies7 said:

i disagree. this is who he's always been.

That's why I'm disappointed. He just never got better than. "Decent,"

[Irishman]

32 minutes ago, shortround81 said:

This has probably been reported elsewhere, but Shoemaker has been DFA'd! Praise be!

Shoemaker gone!  Best news ever.   

[USAFChief]

Just now, GCTF said:

Sounds like Dan has been riding his motorcycle without his helmet again.

Not again. Still. 

[Aggies7]

8 hits and 7 outs recorded by "la maquina". should have gotten a maytag

[Aggies7]

omg cant even accept a gift out. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

4 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

i disagree. this is who he's always been.

That's not entirely true, though. His ERA+ took a step forward in 2019 and he's basically replicating that performance this season. He's not an ace, which is mildly disappointing, but he's a very good pitcher who has likely peaked in the past couple of seasons.

[wsnydes]

I don't recall ever seeing as many obstruction and interference calls as I have with this team.  It's bizarre.

[MMMordabito]

7 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

i disagree. this is who he's always been.

That's why I'm OK with someone else giving a $100 mill.  I like Berrios, but not for $100 mill.

Edit:  And I know it's not my money, but I know there's only so much of it with the Twins.

[Mike Sixel]

Sano is the biggest disappointment to me this year. He's just fallen off a cliff. Berrios is what I'd suspect, a good to sometimes very good pitcher, but not great. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 minute ago, MMMordabito said:

That's why I'm OK with someone else giving a $100 mill.  I like Berrios, but not for $100 mill.

Edit:  And I know it's not my money, but I know there's only so much of it with the Twins.

I'm not crazy about giving any pitcher $100m but if the Twins are going to do it, I think Berrios is as good a choice as any.

[wsnydes]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

Sano is the biggest disappointment to me this year. He's just fallen off a cliff. Berrios is what I'd suspect, a good to sometimes very good pitcher, but not great. 

This.  All I wanted from Sano is some consistency.  I got it, but not in the way I was hoping.  

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, MMMordabito said:

That's why I'm OK with someone else giving a $100 mill.  I like Berrios, but not for $100 mill.

Edit:  And I know it's not my money, but I know there's only so much of it with the Twins.

And that's why I think if the Twins cN only sign one of Berrios/Buxton, it has to be Buxton. 

At least when Buxton is on the field, he's a difference maker. I don't think Berrios really is.

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

Sano is the biggest disappointment to me this year. He's just fallen off a cliff. Berrios is what I'd suspect, a good to sometimes very good pitcher, but not great. 

he's been striking out on the same pitches out of the strike zone for 7 years. none of that is surprising

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

he's been striking out on the same pitches out of the strike zone for 7 years. none of that is surprising

I think we must have been looking at very different outcomes to think this was coming.....very different. I mean, really, just go look at previous years.

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

I think we must have been looking at very different outcomes to think this was coming.....very different. I mean, really, just go look at previous years.

I have. he's been a merely average player who strikes out a ton. one year of 30+ homers when everyone and their sister was hitting them. what did you really expect from him?

[Brock Beauchamp]

5 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

I have. he's been a merely average player who strikes out a ton. one year of 30+ homers when everyone and their sister was hitting them. what did you really expect from him?

It's more than that... way more than that. I don't think there was any reason to expect Sano to just stop hitting the ball hard. His exit velo was literally 99th percentile in 2019-2020.

2021? 78th percentile. While there have always been flaws with Sano's approach, he made up for it by crushing the ball when he got hold of it. That stopped happening for whatever reason. His soft hit rate has more than doubled year-over-year.

[wsnydes]

6 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

I have. he's been a merely average player who strikes out a ton. one year of 30+ homers when everyone and their sister was hitting them. what did you really expect from him?

Merely average would be acceptable compared to what he's given the team this year.  He's not even close to that.

[Mike Sixel]

6 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

I have. he's been a merely average player who strikes out a ton. one year of 30+ homers when everyone and their sister was hitting them. what did you really expect from him?

Well, given his previous years, where 4 of 5 not in the Covid year were well above league average, above league average. Certainly not below average. Even last year he was league average. I'm ok with you disagreeing, you asked what I expected. Not this.

[Aggies7]

2 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

Merely average would be acceptable compared to what he's given the team this year.  He's not even close to that.

this could be said for almost everyone on the roster

[wsnydes]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

this could be said for almost everyone on the roster

While true, no position player has looked as lost as Sano.  There's a reason that his playing time has been reduced.

[RpR]

19 minutes ago, wsnydes said:

I don't recall ever seeing as many obstruction and interference calls as I have with this team.  It's bizarre.

Here again is where they miss Rosario; Larnach is slow and has what looks to be a very weak arm.

Had Larnach not bounced the ball to Donaldson there would have been no interference but Donaldson had to run back to get the ball.

Rosario had strong arm.

[Aggies7]

1 minute ago, wsnydes said:

While true, no position player has looked as lost as Sano.  There's a reason that his playing time has been reduced.

kepler has been arguably a bigger disappointment. and garver when he wasn't injured

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

kepler has been arguably a bigger disappointment

Good point. Those two are my two biggest.......

As for the game.....sigh.

[MMMordabito]

Just now, wsnydes said:

While true, no position player has looked as lost as Sano.  There's a reason that his playing time has been reduced.

... and hopefully that trend will continue and won't reverse if/when vets are traded and if/when it becomes brutally obvious that Miranda has nothing left to prove down on the farm

[wsnydes]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

kepler has been arguably a bigger disappointment

And I'd argue that Sano has been more disappointing.

As @Mike Sixel said, I'm fine if you disagree with my opinion.  But, it is my opinion.

[Aggies7]

we should debate about who has stunk worse more often. it seems to be working

[RpR]

If the Twins had played all year, minus pitching, like they are playing now, they would have won at least five more games.