Twins/Tigers Players Vote to Postpone Tonight's Game

[Aichiman]

 

I didn't invent that story. I was pointing out the consequences of the story. I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that The Twins " Statement" is completely empty. It's selfish. It's virtue singling and nothing more as it stands right now because there are no consequences. Some want to praise The Twins - pat them on the backs - when they didn't do anything. Their action was actually inaction.

Thank you TJ for the term "virtue signaling."  It's the first time I heard it.  I looked it up and then I added it to my arsenal.  Thank you very much!

 

[twinbythebay]

It seems like there's an awful lot of unwarranted cynicism here regarding the players' actions and statements. I challenge you to watch the video of Dominic Smith's statement from yesterday and tell me that there aren't players who care and haven't been truly affected by this situation.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/dominic-smith-kneels-during-national-anthem

[LVTwinsfan]

It seems like there's an awful lot of unwarranted cynicism here regarding the players' actions and statements. I challenge you to watch the video of Dominic Smith's statement from yesterday and tell me that there aren't players who care and haven't been truly affected by this situation.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/dominic-smith-kneels-during-national-anthem

There is more than one side to this story, there’s not a right and a wrong side , there are two sides, maybe more even

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I didn't invent that story. I was pointing out the consequences of the story. I'm not demanding anything. I'm pointing out that The Twins " Statement" is completely empty. It's selfish. It's virtue singling and nothing more as it stands right now because there are no consequences. Some want to praise The Twins - pat them on the backs - when they didn't do anything. Their action was actually inaction.

Here’s the thing.

 

You demand a sacrifice of some sort. There was a football player recently who kneeled during national anthems to raise awareness of this. And he suffered the consequences. He sacrificed his football career for this.

 

Thoughts?

[LVTwinsfan]

Here’s the thing.

 

You demand a sacrifice of some sort. There was a football player recently who kneeled during national anthems to raise awareness of this. And he suffered the consequences. He sacrificed his football career for this.

 

Thoughts?

Nike pays him more than any football team would, he had a chance to come back and chose to skip his tryouts, he hasn’t sacrificed anything

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I don't want to make this too long. I'm an old white guy. I live 7 blocks from where George Floyd was murdered and 3 blocks from the carnage on Lake St in May. I have suffered a loss because of the riots.  I also enjoy baseball. A lot. Herb Carneal was the background noise of my summers growing up.

 

I also roll my eyes at some celebrities who have spoken out about some cause. (Movie stars testifying before Congress? Really?) 

 

To me this is different. If the players haven't experienced racism personally, they know who has. Players, who if they are not black or brown, are living and playing ball with black and brown players from February to September (I only wish it was through October). They are comrades and going through the grind together. That the players, unanimously, decided not to play is a testament to their solidarity and love for one another. 

 

Sure, they are all going to get paid for the game, eventually. They won't be punished monetarily. I guess I don't care if they aren't paying a monetary price. They have a platform and they are making a statement. I care about that, and I care about the fact that as a team they thought this was important that these issues of race are brought up. I wholeheartedly agree with them. This is very, very important

Great post, thank you for contributing.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Nike pays him more than any football team would, he had a chance to come back and chose to skip his tryouts, he hasn’t sacrificed anything

Yikes, this is a bad take. The NFL literally settled a lawsuit Kap filed against them, accusing the league and teams of blackballing him during the prime years of his career.

 

Is losing the prime years of one's career, a profession that only exists on a very short timeline, not a sacrifice to you?

[Aggies7]

Here’s the thing.

You demand a sacrifice of some sort. There was a football player recently who kneeled during national anthems to raise awareness of this. And he suffered the consequences. He sacrificed his football career for this.

Thoughts?

 

He opted out of his contract and is doing far better now through endorsements than he would have actually having to play in the league. The farce he pulled when he got a tryout showed how serious he was about playing.

[T_J]

Here’s the thing.

 

You demand a sacrifice of some sort. There was a football player recently who kneeled during national anthems to raise awareness of this. And he suffered the consequences. He sacrificed his football career for this.

 

Thoughts?

I'm not sure of the reference. Is it in regards to Colin Kapernick?

[LVTwinsfan]

Yikes, this is a bad take. The NFL literally settled a lawsuit he filed against them, accusing the league and teams of blackballing him during the prime years of his career.

so he didn’t skip his tryout?, settling lawsuits keep you out of court

[T_J]

I don't follow football much

[snotboogie]

 

There is more than one side to this story, there’s not a right and a wrong side , there are two sides, maybe more even

Not sure by what you mean when you say there is not a right or wrong side. If there is no wrong side then we make no judgements and there is no need for a criminal justice system.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

so he didn’t skip his tryout?, settling lawsuits keep you out of court

My wife is an attorney, I'm well aware why corporations settle lawsuits.

 

And it's usually *not* because they're 100% free of guilt.

[LVTwinsfan]

Yikes, this is a bad take. The NFL literally settled a lawsuit Kap filed against them, accusing the league and teams of blackballing him during the prime years of his career.

 

Is losing the prime years of one's career, a profession that only exists on a very short timeline, not a sacrifice to you?

such a bad example, as privileged as they come, you’ll never convince me he was a victim of anything

[Aggies7]

such a bad example, as privileged as they come, you’ll never convince me he was a victim of anything

And the other guys who were the forerunners of kneeling are still in the league...

 

Although they didn’t wear socks of a cartoon pig in a cop hat while at a team practice so i don’t know

[LVTwinsfan]

Not sure by what you mean when you say there is not a right or wrong side. If there is no wrong side then we make no judgements and there is no need for a criminal justice system.

I was responding to an accusation of cynicism towards athletes , nothing about crime and justice

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Nike pays him more than any football team would, he had a chance to come back and chose to skip his tryouts, he hasn’t sacrificed anything

Yeah, no.

 

Initially, Nike didn’t want anything to do with him, either.

[Darius]

Yikes, this is a bad take. The NFL literally settled a lawsuit Kap filed against them, accusing the league and teams of blackballing him during the prime years of his career.

 

Is losing the prime years of one's career, a profession that only exists on a very short timeline, not a sacrifice to you?

The NFL settled for PR purposes, not in any way an admission of guilt. Let’s at least be honest here (on both sides). Really tired of half-truths (from both sides) in an attempt to gain a moral high ground and feeling of superiority (it accomplishes the opposite, fools task).

 

Full disclosure for the mob (not that I care what you think), but I fully respect and endorse the right to exercise free speech and protest for justifiable causes. That’s America.

[LVTwinsfan]

And the other guys who were the forerunners of kneeling are still in the league...

 

Although they didn’t wear socks of a cartoon pig in a cop hat while at a team practice so i don’t know

Kaepernick never had an issue when he was starting qb. He gets benched so he realizes there’s no future in football and his career needs to go in a different direction. He’s actually a genius

[drivlikejehu]

If every potential act of injustice (the recriminations typically begin before most of the facts are even established) causes pro sports to cancel its games, then pro sports no longer can exist. In a country the size of the US, even if every "reform" in the book is passed, you would be able to find a case of potential injustice every day without too much trouble, usually worse than the situation that caused this round of cancellations. Or is the policy to only protest when something has already gone viral? 

[LVTwinsfan]

My wife is an attorney, I'm well aware why corporations settle lawsuits.

 

And it's usually *not* because they're 100% free of guilt.

Its not really a big surprise that teams were reluctant to sign him

[snotboogie]

 

I was responding to an accusation of cynicism towards athletes , nothing about crime and justice

Totally on the level here. I watched the clip of Smith and he was talking about how hard it is to be a black man in America. Are there other sides to the story that haven't been talked about by MLB players?

[LVTwinsfan]

Totally on the level here. I watched the clip of Smith and he was talking about how hard it is to be a black man in America. Are there other sides to the story that haven't been talked about by MLB players?

Listen to Herschel Walker

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Totally on the level here. I watched the clip of Smith and he was talking about how hard it is to be a black man in America. Are there other sides to the story that haven't been talked about by MLB players?

Not the other side at all but if you haven't seen The Athletic's roundtable with Black former MLB players, it's definitely worth a click. It also includes two Twins players, Hunter and Hawkins.

 

https://theathletic.com/1849574/2020/06/02/a-conversation-retired-african-american-mlb-players-on-race-baseball-america/

[twinbythebay]

 

Kaepernick never had an issue when he was starting qb. He gets benched so he realizes there’s no future in football and his career needs to go in a different direction. He’s actually a genius

This is a tired and false argument. Kaepernick has put his time and money where his mouth (and knee) is, and he's sacrificed more than almost any other professional athlete has for this cause. The idea that he did this for "publicity" is asinine, and I can tell that you've made your mind up about his intentions regardless of the evidence.

[LVTwinsfan]

This is a tired and false argument. Kaepernick has put his time and money where his mouth (and knee) is, and he's sacrificed more than almost any other professional athlete has for this cause. The idea that he did this for "publicity" is asinine, and I can tell that you've made your mind up about his intentions regardless of the evidence.

Roberto Clemente

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

This is a tired and false argument. Kaepernick has put his time and money where his mouth (and knee) is, and he's sacrificed more than almost any other professional athlete has for this cause. The idea that he did this for "publicity" is asinine, and I can tell that you've made your mind up about his intentions regardless of the evidence.

Agree. Several years removed, and people tend to forget. When he started, he was all by himself.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Roberto Clemente

Roberto Clemente sacrificed for BLM? Whoa, way to get ahead of the curve on that one, buddy! I knew he was awesome but that's incredible!

 

(read the post you quoted more closely)

[Aggies7]

This is a tired and false argument. Kaepernick has put his time and money where his mouth (and knee) is, and he's sacrificed more than almost any other professional athlete has for this cause. The idea that he did this for "publicity" is asinine, and I can tell that you've made your mind up about his intentions regardless of the evidence.

He has tens of millions of dollars in endorsements, and is clearly set up better than had he stayed in the league as a backup qb. He’s not living under a bridge..

[Darius]

If every potential act of injustice (the recriminations typically begin before most of the facts are even established) causes pro sports to cancel its games, then pro sports no longer can exist. In a country the size of the US, even if every "reform" in the book is passed, you would be able to find a case of potential injustice every day without too much trouble, usually worse than the situation that caused this round of cancellations. Or is the policy to only protest when something has already gone viral?

That’s what gets me....the selectivity of the tragedy (on both sides). It’s fraudulent. It happens before the facts come out. Or, facts are ignored entirely. Assumptions are made. Only certain beneficial fragments of the story are used (some of the headlines I’ve seen are abhorrent and unethical, at best). Words are twisted.

 

Two cities in our neck of the woods burned last night. These are our brothers and sisters (any race, religion, creed). It’s only escalating (on both sides). Over 30 people have been murdered in these riots (but it’s not a big deal until it fits the narrative like the shooter in Kenosha). The left wouldnt denounce the violence until it showed up the polls, but leveraged it when they thought it helped (truly disgusting). The right is villianizing the entire movement over the actions of relatively few (again, disgusting). There’s no discourse, here. Both sides have devolved into a truly shameful lack of integrity. It’s really sad diagnostic for humanity. People on both sides somehow carry on with a feeling of righteousness. News flash, both extremes are extremely dangerous and a bane on our society.