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Marlins are Ridiculous (Johnson, Buehrle, Reyes and more)

Seth Stohs

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That's not what Hardballtalk said. They said that if you take out the stadium and impact on other free agents, that it was probably a good trade for Miami. I don't know anything about what they got, frankly. I am going by that one article. And wouldn't it be worth just getting rid of Buerhle? People said here he was worth nothing in return, nothing, because of his age and salary.

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Plus, why is no on talking about the Jays side? They are spending money and trying to win. That is awesome ownership. Awesome. Wish we had that here. An owner that would go get two starting pitchers and a potential all star SS. Maybe we do, maybe they'll go out and get some good to great players. We'll see. It has never happened in their history, but maybe this year is different.

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Plus, why is no on talking about the Jays side? They are spending money and trying to win. That is awesome ownership. Awesome. Wish we had that here. An owner that would go get two starting pitchers and a potential all star SS. Maybe we do, maybe they'll go out and get some good to great players. We'll see. It has never happened in their history, but maybe this year is different.

 

I hear what your saying, it would be nice for the Twins to go against the grain and go out and sign some guys but realistically, they probably wont. All we as Twins fans can do is hope they prove us wrong and spend some money, although spending money does not always equal success.

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Agreed, spending money does not guarantee success. If you spend it well, it should increase the likelihood of success though. That's all anyone can do, work to increase the likelihood of the outcome you want.

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This makes the Orioles the best bet for the cellar in the east.

 

Probably, they had a lot of guys play out their minds last year. Mostly pitching wise.

 

True, but they are adding one of the best minor league pitchers in the game to their staff next year. But yes, I would think they will be worse.

 

This may also make it more likely that TB blows up what they have. Now they have to compete with Toronto, Bos, NYY....maybe they look in the mirror and deal a couple of guys to reload. Maybe. Heck, their fans deserve that.....

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How about the Marlins' payroll in 2013? Dan Brooks is saying on Twitter he's heard it could be anywhere from about 12.5 million to 25 million. Wow. Just wow.

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The value of prospects and young under control players has never been greater.

 

The value of a veteran has declined.

 

The only the Marlins unload a few of those bad contracts is to include others that are reasonable in the deal. They couldn't get anyone to take Buerhle unless they gave up something else.

 

It isn't going to be easy to get significant value for Morneau. The Twins need to buy prospects on the form of paying a good deal of his salary next year.

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Hummmm...who would the Twins have traded. Dozier, Blackburn, and what 5-6 prospects. Would a righty and lefty starter, a backup catcher, a shortstop, and a spare infielder have made the Twins more competitive?

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The NHL is locked out, so Canada is gunning to take home the title in America's Pastime? Hmmm... So many things smell fishy here....

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This deal would have filled the 1 and 2 slots in the Twins rotation, and put Jose Reyes at SS, all for not much more than taking on salary.

 

Sounds too good to be true. I'm sure there is some logical reason the Twins couldn't have pulled this off.

 

Other than, uh, money, I mean.

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Hummmm...who would the Twins have traded. Dozier, Blackburn, and what 5-6 prospects. Would a righty and lefty starter, a backup catcher, a shortstop, and a spare infielder have made the Twins more competitive?

 

Pitching wise, Buehrle might have been able to teach some of our up and coming pitcher (Scott Diamond) and Josh Johnson is an ace. Either way the money the the Blue Jays are taking on i dont think is worth the trade not at all (For the Twins).

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KLAW was less enamored of the return to Miami, and of course agreed with the general premise that reducing your payroll to essentially zero is impolite to the taxpayers that just built you a stadium, and that they now have zero chance to keep any players they draft and develop, or sign any free agents.

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That Buehrle contract is backloaded in a very unappealing way. Other than that though... this sounds like a deal that the commish probably should have blocked as to not have the city of Miami hate baseball forever.

 

This is just one of those deals that makes you think "What!?! Really!?! No.... this is some sort of joke, right?" At least that was my reaction when I first read about it.

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This is great for Mike Redmond, he gets to manage a naked roster

 

If the Marlins win 50 games he should be Manager of the Year.

If they win 60 games does he get a statue in front of the stadium?

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Prospect return is underwhelming. If you're going to torpedo your team for the foreseeable future, gamble hard on higher upside guys. How Loria is still an owner is beyond me, ran the Expos into the ground and is attempting to do the same in Miami.

 

I like but don't love it for the Jays, the way the contracts are constructed could cause problems down the line, depending on payroll of course, but they acquired a lot of talent while not giving up much prospect wise

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Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com hears that Ricky Nolasco could be the next Marlin traded.

 

The Marlins are already poised to dump $40 million in salary for 2013 on the Blue Jays, and if they can find someone to take on Nolasco's contract, it would make sense to go ahead and continue the firesale. The right-hander is due $11.5 million in 2013 after posting a 4.48 ERA and 125/47 K/BB ratio over 191 innings in 2012.

 

 

Source: Ken Rosenthal on Twitter

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That trade help both teams. The Marlins don't look that bad and have lots of money to build with. Those 5 players just made the Jays great. Those 5 players would have made the Twins great too. For maybe Carroll, Dozier,Butera, Benson,Blackburn, Swarzak ect.

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Keith Law:

 

Those limocolous owners are the greatest joke of all in this deal, rooking Florida taxpayers for a publicly-funded stadium, only to make one half-hearted attempt to fill it with a contending team, surrendering it after the season to return to their old business model, playing a skeleton-crew lineup while pocketing all of their revenue-sharing money. This isn't a bad baseball deal for Miami, but it's not a baseball deal at all -- it's a boondoggle, perpetrated by owners who have pulled one stunt like this after another, with the implicit approval of the Commissioner's Office. It's time for baseball to rid itself of Jeff Loria and David Samson by any means possible. Miami, the state of Florida, and the sport in general will be better off without them.

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