Front Page: Making a Mega Deal for the Twins

[Vanimal46]

I see that Eddie Rosario is the new Brian Duensing throw in on every trade proposal

[jhoffman]

Eat Price's contract and swallow hard, then trade these "throw in" prospects and include Gordan, then you may be able to get Jon Gray and lets go!

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

The Rosario haters will tell us that no way would the Mets make this deal.

It doesn't take any Rosario hate to notice that the Mets already have 3 good corner outfield performers returning from last season. (And that's not counting Davis who primarily played LF but has no glove, or McNeil who also played primarily in LF/RF but is probably needed more in the infield going forward.) They don't need Rosario, and certainly not at the price of Syndergaard.

 

And as far as baseballtradevalues is concerned, my son's chocolate lab is probably more accurate than what I see from most of their calculations.  

Even if he's not Godiva, I congratulate your son on producing accurate chocolate in his lab!

 

Seriously, if you have a quibble with a specific calculation from baseballtradevalues.com here, I'd love to hear it. Might be fun to break it down to see where their numbers are coming from, and where perhaps opinions might differ.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Then the real trades actually go down and its Deleno Deshields for Corey Kluber.....It almost never is what people think. 

FWIW, baseballtradevalues.com actually validated that trade pretty well! Kluber carries more risk at this point than people might think.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I see that Eddie Rosario is the new Brian Duensing throw in on every trade proposal

We should have a contest! Add up all the TD trade proposals.

 

Rosario might be in the lead this winter, but I imagine Thorpe, Enlow, and Rooker are not far behind. Gordon is still kicking too, and might be an inner circle all-time TD trade candidate when judging his (our) complete body of work.

[Ted Schwerzler]

While I agree with the many sentiments suggesting that this might be light, my pause came in also considering what deals have been accepted. Rosario doesn't have negative trade value, even if it's substantially muted. My initial proposal had Balazovic or Duran as the inclusion instead of Enlow. I thought that may have entered the realm of being a stretch.

 

I don't think the Mets should be trading Thor either, but they've continued to be run poorly in the time that Brodie has spent there. This was also operating less from the belief that New York would be motivated to make the move, and rather from the standpoint that they reportedly engaged Minnesota at the deadline.

 

Of the five deals discussed in the linked article, I would do all but the swap with Detroit. I'm not a Matt Boyd guy at all.

[Ted Schwerzler]

 

Every time the topic of trade comes up, im always floored at the proposed scenarios....In almost every case, I leave feeling like the twins are giving too much in said scenarios.

 

Then the real trades actually go down and its Deleno Deshields for Corey Kluber.....It almost never is what people think. 

This is where I tried to consider things as well. We often over-value our own prospects and have more intimate knowledge of those names. The return for Marcus Stroman was incredibly light as well.

[Ted Schwerzler]

 

It doesn't take any Rosario hate to notice that the Mets already have 3 good corner outfield performers returning from last season. (And that's not counting Davis who primarily played LF but has no glove, or McNeil who also played primarily in LF/RF but is probably needed more in the infield going forward.) They don't need Rosario, and certainly not at the price of Syndergaard.

I'm not sure I agree with the assessment of their outfield. They've got Conforto, Nimmo, and now Marisnick. Believe I saw it reported that McNeil's role would be in the infield/utility.

[Mike Sixel]

 

While I agree with the many sentiments suggesting that this might be light, my pause came in also considering what deals have been accepted. Rosario doesn't have negative trade value, even if it's substantially muted. My initial proposal had Balazovic or Duran as the inclusion instead of Enlow. I thought that may have entered the realm of being a stretch.

 

I don't think the Mets should be trading Thor either, but they've continued to be run poorly in the time that Brodie has spent there. This was also operating less from the belief that New York would be motivated to make the move, and rather from the standpoint that they reportedly engaged Minnesota at the deadline.

 

Of the five deals discussed in the linked article, I would do all but the swap with Detroit. I'm not a Matt Boyd guy at all.

 

The Mets won 86 games in the best division in baseball....and some are predicting they will be better this year. How are they poorly run? I mean, they might be.....but results aren't indicating that. Enlow will be lucky to sniff the majors. You'd have to include one of the top SP prospects in this deal. 

[Mr. Brooks]

This is where I tried to consider things as well. We often over-value our own prospects and have more intimate knowledge of those names. The return for Marcus Stroman was incredibly light as well.

I don't agree.

If anything, I think Cleveland won the Kluber trade, Kluber looks cooked and is expensive.

 

The rough Twins equivalent of the Stroman package is Duran and Thorpe. That seems pretty fair to me.

[Mr. Brooks]

The Mets won 86 games in the best division in baseball....and some are predicting they will be better this year. How are they poorly run? I mean, they might be.....but results aren't indicating that. Enlow will be lucky to sniff the majors. You'd have to include one of the top SP prospects in this deal.

Yeah, I don't understand how he can say they've been run poorly, while also saying the Stroman trade was incredibly light. Which is it?

[Rusty Shackleford]

The Mets wouldn’t take that deal. They have too many corner outfielders already. They want a center fielder.

[howeda7]

There's now way the Mets take that deal. I'd substitute Belezovic for Blankenship. Even then, I doubt they take it.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I'm not sure I agree with the assessment of their outfield. They've got Conforto, Nimmo, and now Marisnick. Believe I saw it reported that McNeil's role would be in the infield/utility.

I mistakenly labeled Dominic Smith as an outfielder (although he's played a little out there), but still I don't see how you are disagreeing with my assessment in regards to the Mets outfield and Eddie Rosario. Conforto and Nimmo both out-hit Rosario the last two seasons and for their MLB careers, and both are controlled as long or longer than Rosario too. They don't really need another corner outfielder who may be able to fake it in center, do they? Or if they do, they certainly don't need to spend Syndergaard to get that player.

 

Buxton would obviously be appealing to them -- real CF, 3 years control -- but not Rosario, right?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I don't think the Mets should be trading Thor either, but they've continued to be run poorly in the time that Brodie has spent there.

Other than the Cano deal? Which was an aggressive win-now move, not a sell low move like you are suggesting here.

[Twodogs]

 

I mistakenly labeled Dominic Smith as an outfielder (although he's played a little out there), but still I don't see how you are disagreeing with my assessment in regards to the Mets outfield and Eddie Rosario. Conforto and Nimmo both out-hit Rosario the last two seasons and for their MLB careers, and both are controlled as long or longer than Rosario too. They don't really need another corner outfielder who may be able to fake it in center, do they? Or if they do, they certainly don't need to spend Syndergaard to get that player.

 

Buxton would obviously be appealing to them -- real CF, 3 years control -- but not Rosario, right?

They have Cespedes hanging around in there also.  He is listed as probable to start the season.

[sweetmusicviola16]

 

The last time the Twins made any mega trade was.....oh yah never.

Actually it was when we traded Johan Santana to the Mets for Carlos Gomez and a bunch of throw ins.

[MangLitch]

Or...... Or..... Hear me out here..... Go out and tell the Red Sox you will take on David Price for 27 mill a year and send them a bag of baseballs and a couple Schweigerts hot dogs and Sheboygan brats. Maybe they are pursuing this and not making noise but IMO an expensive contract on a player that had a down year and looking to give a way is just the type of upside play that can send you over the top. Even if he pitches like a #2, he is an upgrade over Gibson and Perez. It's just money and 3 years, which shouldnt impact signing any of the guys who (hopefully but no guarantee) will be due raises. Trading big pieces for Syndergaard under the assumption that Buxton and Sano are sure fire fixtures is more risky than just paying 90 mil over three years and seeing how it plays out. If he returns to Price form, we have another by low Cruz type play. Risk the cash, not the assets. 

 

Plus, just think of all the bad "price is right" puns we get to hear. Bonus

[Mr. Brooks]

Or...... Or..... Hear me out here..... Go out and tell the Red Sox you will take on David Price for 27 mill a year and send them a bag of baseballs and a couple Schweigerts hot dogs and Sheboygan brats. Maybe they are pursuing this and not making noise but IMO an expensive contract on a player that had a down year and looking to give a way is just the type of upside play that can send you over the top. Even if he pitches like a #2, he is an upgrade over Gibson and Perez. It's just money and 3 years, which shouldnt impact signing any of the guys who (hopefully but no guarantee) will be due raises. Trading big pieces for Syndergaard under the assumption that Buxton and Sano are sure fire fixtures is more risky than just paying 90 mil over three years and seeing how it plays out. If he returns to Price form, we have another by low Cruz type play. Risk the cash, not the assets.

 

Plus, just think of all the bad "price is right" puns we get to hear. Bonus

I'm sure the Red Sox would love to make out that good. Realistically, the Sox are going to have to give a pretty good prospect or two along with Price.

[sweetmusicviola16]

 

I'm sure the Red Sox would love to make out that good. Realistically, the Sox are going to have to give a pretty good prospect or two along with Price.

Or they pay about 60% of his salary making him a 12mil a season guy for the team that gets him. Price flat out broke down the last half of the season. No way a team will pay 27mil for a potential #5 SP.

 

I think Price ends up in SD in a bad contract swap for Wil Meyers.

[howeda7]

If they will eat $12 million/year so we pay him $20, I would do it.

[Ted Schwerzler]

 

I don't agree.
If anything, I think Cleveland won the Kluber trade, Kluber looks cooked and is expensive.

The rough Twins equivalent of the Stroman package is Duran and Thorpe. That seems pretty fair to me.

From what I've seen there's very few industry reporters that think Cleveland did well. Kluber is an unknown that was sold at his lowest point for a one pitch reliever and a 4th outfielder. The Indians would need Clase to be Aroldis Chapman in order to come out ahead.

 

I don't agree that Kay, who was the headliner on that deal, is anything close to Duran. Again, that was immediately seen as a light return, and one of the points of contention. So many other teams could have beat that if that's where the price was.

[Trevor0333]

You don't think there was a thought in NY of, if we trade Syndergaard we can re-sign Wheeler? 

 

I think the best chance of acquiring a starter via trade is calling up the Rockies and saying you'll take on Wade Miley's contract and ask them what else they want for Jon Gray.

 

They aren't taking on enough salary to prevent a run at Donaldson or a high end RP.

[snap4birds]

 

You don't think there was a thought in NY of, if we trade Syndergaard we can re-sign Wheeler? 

 

I think the best chance of acquiring a starter via trade is calling up the Rockies and saying you'll take on Wade Miley's contract and ask them what else they want for Jon Gray.

 

They aren't taking on enough salary to prevent a run at Donaldson or a high end RP.

 

Ummm, Wade Miley just signed with the Reds.....assume you mean Wade Davis who has one year at $17 million with an option/$1 million buyout left.

[Mr. Brooks]

From what I've seen there's very few industry reporters that think Cleveland did well. Kluber is an unknown that was sold at his lowest point for a one pitch reliever and a 4th outfielder. The Indians would need Clase to be Aroldis Chapman in order to come out ahead.

 

I don't agree that Kay, who was the headliner on that deal, is anything close to Duran. Again, that was immediately seen as a light return, and one of the points of contention. So many other teams could have beat that if that's where the price was.

MLB Pipeline disagrees with you. They have Kay/Woods with the exact same FV as Thorpe/Duran.

 

Fangraphs actually had Kay/Woods with a slightly higher FV.

I'll update when Fangraphs updates their Blue Jay rankings for 2020.

 

As for Kluber, you can't possibly know that they traded him at his lowest point. If he's cooked, as I believe he might be, then he'd have negative value at the deadline, and the Indians would need to include a prospect just to dump his salary.