Game Thread: Twins @ Miami, 11:10 CDT August 1st 2019

[bighat]

 

No I was wrong. Don't believe what I say. I rarely do either.

 

Yeah looks like Rogers was indeed given a blown save: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/gametracker/boxscore/MLB_20190801_MIN@MIA/

[bighat]

 

Does anyone know the Twins record for day games this year?  If memory serves me correctly they don't seem to win many day games.

 

Twins are 25-17 in day games this year, if what I saw on ESPN was correct:

[TwinsCD]

 

Does anyone know the Twins record for day games this year?  If memory serves me correctly they don't seem to win many day games.

 

According to baseball-reference.com, they're 25-17 this season in day games, 4-8 in their last 12.

 

EDIT:  miscounted

[MABB1959]

I don't think Rocco thought Miami would hammer Dyson.  He probably was of the thought of bring him out against the weakest team ever and the FO would look like geniuses.  

[Otto von Ballpark]

No, Rogers “blew” the save. That’s the way the stat works. Dyson actually will get credit for a hold.

No hold for Dyson, per MLB -- you have to record at least one out:

 

"A hold occurs when a relief pitcher enters the game in a save situation and maintains his team's lead for the next relief pitcher, while recording at least one out."

 

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/standard-stats/hold

[Otto von Ballpark]

I said a few days ago Stashak tends to give up too many hits. He and Poppen should be the ones sent down.

Poppen was already sent down earlier today, so we could activate Dyson.

 

Littell is eligible to return now, so we may see him swapped in for Stashak.

[Bandit34]

The reason why this was not a sweep? Because Berrios was taken out of a game that he was totally dominating for 7 innings with only 80 pitches thrown. Maybe I'm old school, but when a pitcher throws a complete game, it really gives his team a boost. I get the idea that baseball is a team sport, but sometimes it's okay to allow one guy to steal the show. Berrios was pitching his best game of the year, (I thought he might even throw a no-hitter), and then you take him out of the game? Well, that decision cost us a badly needed win in today's game, in my opinion. 

[Bandit34]

 

The reason why this was not a sweep? Because Berrios was taken out of a game that he was totally dominating for 7 innings with only 80 pitches thrown. Maybe I'm old school, but when a pitcher throws a complete game, it really gives his team a boost. I get the idea that baseball is a team sport, but sometimes it's okay to allow one guy to steal the show. Berrios was pitching his best game of the year, (I thought he might even throw a no-hitter), and then you take him out of the game? Well, that decision cost us a badly needed win in today's game, in my opinion. 

 It cost us because we then proceeded to use Rogers and didn't go with Rogers to start the ninth today as we would have if he had not pitched yesterday. Sometimes it's best to not be cute, just let a guy finish what he starts. 

[akmanak]

My only criticism with the loss is why do you insert a guy who doesn't pitch in the 9th instead of your normal closer?

[Bandit34]

Bottom line: This series should not have even been a contest. The Marlins had no business scoring even one run in this series let alone 10. 

[Bandit34]

 

My only criticism with the loss is why do you insert a guy who doesn't pitch in the 9th instead of your normal closer?

There's no reason why a closer cannot go three games in a row. For that matter, why not just send Romo out for another inning? Why not?

[Bandit34]

Does anyone else here get the feeling that perhaps we did not give enough respect to the Marlins in this series? Obviously, if Berrios had been throwing a shutout against a team like the Yankees or Astros, we would have kept him in the game as long as he was dealing. Wouldn't we agree that that is a very likely scenario? And again today, wouldn't we agree that had we been playing against the Yankees or Astros, we would not have used a reliever that had just joined the team in the last 24 hours? Isn't it reasonable to assume that? Why then do we use a different approach against the Marlins? Let's not forget: The Marlins are still a Major League ballclub and they are managed by one of the greats: Don Mattingly. 

[yarnivek1972]

Yeah, it's weeding out the bad seeds. Every DFA they have made in the last month has been the right move.

I think the point is that there should have been better options starting on day one of the season, not day 110.

[lukeduke1980]

 

The reason why this was not a sweep? Because Berrios was taken out of a game that he was totally dominating for 7 innings with only 80 pitches thrown. Maybe I'm old school, but when a pitcher throws a complete game, it really gives his team a boost. I get the idea that baseball is a team sport, but sometimes it's okay to allow one guy to steal the show. Berrios was pitching his best game of the year, (I thought he might even throw a no-hitter), and then you take him out of the game? Well, that decision cost us a badly needed win in today's game, in my opinion. 

Berrios 80 pitches, Pineda 80 pitches both pulled.  Especially given the nature of Gibby and Odo to get to 80 pitches by inning 4 get everything you can from starters if they can go 8 or 9 on occasion.

[yarnivek1972]

My only criticism with the loss is why do you insert a guy who doesn't pitch in the 9th instead of your normal closer?

 

Dyson has finished 8 games this year and recorded two saves. So, he has obviously pitched the 9th. Probably in situations like this. 3 run lead against a bad team when you shouldn’t need your “closer”.

[yarnivek1972]

It cost us because we then proceeded to use Rogers and didn't go with Rogers to start the ninth today as we would have if he had not pitched yesterday. Sometimes it's best to not be cute, just let a guy finish what he starts.

With a 3 run lead against a team like the Marlins I would expect the manager to tap someone other than his best reliever. Frankly, a 3 run lead against most teams. Most MLB pitchers should be able to get 3 outs without giving up 3 runs.

[jz7233]

 

Seems like the two things the Twins offense hates the most are extra inning games and bases loaded situations

Twins need as many clutch players as possible. Schoop is the exact opposite.

[jz7233]

 

The Twins didn't get a hit after Rosario's single in the 7th and Cruz in the 9th was the only base runner after that.

Twins just don't have any clutch players. 

[jz7233]

 

The reason why this was not a sweep? Because Berrios was taken out of a game that he was totally dominating for 7 innings with only 80 pitches thrown. Maybe I'm old school, but when a pitcher throws a complete game, it really gives his team a boost. I get the idea that baseball is a team sport, but sometimes it's okay to allow one guy to steal the show. Berrios was pitching his best game of the year, (I thought he might even throw a no-hitter), and then you take him out of the game? Well, that decision cost us a badly needed win in today's game, in my opinion. 

Same thing today. Pineda could at least handle another inning.

[jz7233]

Rocco really made FO look silly today.

[akmanak]

 

 

 

Dyson has finished 8 games this year and recorded two saves. So, he has obviously pitched the 9th. Probably in situations like this. 3 run lead against a bad team when you shouldn’t need your “closer”.

As was discussed before, the closer role goes back and forth when it comes to importance. Personally I believe it is overrated, but the Twins have been using Rodgers for awhile now at that role and he should of been used again.

 

Dyson might have pitched the 9th a couple times this year, but he wasnt brought to the Twins because he was suppose to be a closer he is suppose to be a setup man.

 

If I am reading the stat right (which I might be wrong) he has blow 21 saves out of 80 attempts which is roughly 25%. Again he was not brought here for save opportunities

[Darius]

Sounds like we’re ready to tear down that Baldelli statue that we had built after the first month of his first season.

[akmanak]

Sounds like we’re ready to tear down that Baldelli statue that we had built after the first month of his first season.

Not sure it is coming to that, but he really needs more experiance at bullpen usage. He has made mistake after mistake when it comes pitching.

[Darius]

As was discussed before, the closer role goes back and forth when it comes to importance. Personally I believe it is overrated, but the Twins have been using Rodgers for awhile now at that role and he should of been used again.

 

Dyson might have pitched the 9th a couple times this year, but he wasnt brought to the Twins because he was suppose to be a closer he is suppose to be a setup man.

 

If I am reading the stat right (which I might be wrong) he has blow 21 saves out of 80 attempts which is roughly 25%. Again he was not brought here for save opportunities.

 

 

 

Does it really matter that much whether you blow the lead in the 7th or 8th inning as opposed to the 9th inning?

 

These guys are professionals. If you’re that mentally fragile that you succeed or implode based on the number assigned to that particular inning, you probably shouldn’t be at the back end of a major league bullpen to begin with.

[yarnivek1972]

 

As was discussed before, the closer role goes back and forth when it comes to importance. Personally I believe it is overrated, but the Twins have been using Rodgers for awhile now at that role and he should of been used again.

 

Dyson might have pitched the 9th a couple times this year, but he wasnt brought to the Twins because he was suppose to be a closer he is suppose to be a setup man.

 

If I am reading the stat right (which I might be wrong) he has blow 21 saves out of 80 attempts which is roughly 25%. Again he was not brought here for save opportunities

No, Romo probably was. But Dyson may not have even been in uniform in time to pitch the 8th. Bottom line is that a MLB pitcher should be able to get 3 outs before giving up 3 runs.

[akmanak]

Does it really matter that much whether you blow the lead in the 7th or 8th inning as opposed to the 9th inning?

 

These guys are professionals. If you’re that mentally fragile that you succeed or implode based on the number assigned to that particular inning, you probably shouldn’t be at the back end of a major league bullpen to begin with.

They might be professionals, but they some still fold under pressure. Berrios was like that for a period of time, actually a lot of players are at the closing role. That is why every quality setup man cant be a closer.

[akmanak]

No, Romo probably was. But Dyson may not have even been in uniform in time to pitch the 8th. Bottom line is that a MLB pitcher should be able to get 3 outs before giving up 3 runs.

I completely agree with that statement but again I think the 9th inning to some players under pressure situations is not a good fit. I also believe baseball is more of a tradional sport in which you dont make unnecessary changes in your game plan. Rodgers is our closer and should of been used in the 9th to close out the game, but than again he might of blew the chance too.

[Darius]

At the end of the day, the bullpen is getting the heat. But, the offense has ample opportunity to answer back to the bottom of the ninth.

 

Bad decisions by the manager. Bad decisions by the FO. Poor pitching performance. All of this could’ve been wiped away by a long ball in the top of the 10th or 11th.

 

That’s what’s going to have to happen for this season to be successful. The offense is the only donkey going up the mountain. It’s really unfortunate that the FO so badly botched this bullpen. But, that’s the reality. Its the only weakness on the team (maybe infield defense as well), and it’s a massive one.

[sampleSizeOfOne]

What'd i miss?

 

Oh...

 

At least it took 12 innings.

 

And here i thought i could go back to sleep until October...

 

This one's on me.

 

Sorry everyone.

[LVTwinsfan]

After cooling off, I agree with most that Dyson should not have been used today. Poppen last night is equally to blame , we’ve won 5 out of seven on the road trip, that kind of performance makes it.