2020 Presidential Election

[Musk21]

 

No Castro? That's too bad. Bernie and o Rourke should call it. Beto can just run for Senate again, he has a ton of support in Texas and can leverage his success last time time. I'm sure he has people in his ear already.

 

Maybe it's too early and maybe too much stock is taken in these polls, but it seems we're down to a 5 person race. Biden, Harris, Warren, Sanders and Buttigieg.

 

Beto, Booker, Klobuchar, and Gillibrand don't seem to be getting any traction. I like Bennet, Castro and Bullock, but they seem to be in the same boat as well.

 

Hickenlooper, Beto(or Castro), and Bullock should all run for Senate, where they are sorely needed. Even if a Dem wins the Presidency, if the R's and Mitch McConnell hold the Senate, little is going to get done.

 

[Vanimal46]

IMO, Sanders is done. He can't beat Biden for the same reason he couldn't beat Hillary, and Harris and Warren are passing him by for being not Biden/center only.

He can take solace knowing his ideas and influence lives on in other candidates. I'm sure it's bittersweet because he wanted to be the pick.

[Mike Sixel]

He can take solace knowing his ideas and influence lives on in other candidates. I'm sure it's bittersweet because he wanted to be the pick.

Agreed. He successfully changed the conversation. That might be almost as important as winning this time.

[howeda7]

 

IMO, Sanders is done. He can't beat Biden for the same reason he couldn't beat Hillary, and Harris and Warren are passing him by for being not Biden/center only. 

I agree. He has 100% name recognition and is polling 15%. But he probably won't drop out until the last primary again.

[Badsmerf]

I agree. He has 100% name recognition and is polling 15%. But he probably won't drop out until the last primary again.

Isn't it feasible a Democrat doesn't win enough delegates if there is a split in the vote share? Bernie might hope to punt the decision to the convention. That would be fun.

[Mike Sixel]

 

I agree. He has 100% name recognition and is polling 15%. But he probably won't drop out until the last primary again.

 

538 is not liking his chances right now........

[ashbury]

Isn't it feasible a Democrat doesn't win enough delegates if there is a split in the vote share? Bernie might hope to punt the decision to the convention. That would be fun.

Can't imagine how Bernie comes out of a brokered convention with the nomination. He seems to be actively disliked by many in the party apparatus.

 

BTW, Eric Swalwell is my choice as the common sense candidate. He was the first to have the common sense to drop out.

[howeda7]

 

Isn't it feasible a Democrat doesn't win enough delegates if there is a split in the vote share? Bernie might hope to punt the decision to the convention. That would be fun.

It's possible but unlikely. It will consolidate down to 5 or 6 after Iowa and 2 or 3 after Super Tuesday. And he won't win if it  goes to the convention. 

[Vanimal46]

Tune in at halftime when Curt, Howie, Terry and Michael break down what happened in other games around the league. Also, Drake! Live in concert!

 

[PseudoSABR]

I think having Warren and Bernie on stage without Biden or Harris is bad for Bernie; I wonder how many voters Warren can siphon from Bernie.

[Badsmerf]

Tune in at halftime when Curt, Howie, Terry and Michael break down what happened in other games around the league. Also, Drake! Live in concert!

 

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The spectacle of these debates is getting out of hand. I hope the ratings were terrible for CNN tonight....

 

I can't wait to see Harris and Biden duke it out. What did the analysts say? Will Beto drop out?

[howeda7]

 

The spectacle of these debates is getting out of hand. I hope the ratings were terrible for CNN tonight....

I can't wait to see Harris and Biden duke it out. What did the analysts say? Will Beto drop out?

Although they didn't need the dog and pony show, I think it's good they put the candidates in tiers and then drew the line-up rather than putting all 20 at random.

[Badsmerf]

Although they didn't need the dog and pony show, I think it's good they put the candidates in tiers and then drew the line-up rather than putting all 20 at random.

I agree. Just think it is overdone and over-thought.

[gunnarthor]

Hopefully, this link works for anyone who wants to watch but I basically agree 100% with this.

 

 

Trump's a racist, white supremacist. That's what the 2020 election should be about.

[PseudoSABR]

 

Hopefully, this link works for anyone who wants to watch but I basically agree 100% with this.

 

 

Trump's a racist, white supremacist. That's what the 2020 election should be about.

Interesting take.  This seems to be the money tweet

 

 

[ewen21]

Hopefully, this link works for anyone who wants to watch but I basically agree 100% with this.

 

https://twitter.com/timjacobwise/status/1152930670093787141

 

Trump's a racist, white supremacist. That's what the 2020 election should be about.

What is your platform, sir?

 

I'm not exactly sure, but Trump is a racist. Vote for me.

 

Right.

 

This is precisely what should be avoided. This makes the democrats a one-trick pony. Combating Trump's "racism" with emotional rhetoric won't win them an election. They need to focus on ideas and how those ideas are supposed to work.

[ewen21]

My wife and I actually met Bernie Sanders last Sunday in Burlington, VT. Being an upstate NY guy I've rolled through that town but my wife and I spent several days there kayaking, biking, shopping on Church St Market....

Guess who popped into Uncommon Grounds (a coffee shop) last Sunday morning? My wife spoke to him briefly and I took a picture of them. Bernie is a gracious guy; funny and engaging. He's not my kind of politician but he seems to have his heart in the right place.

 

By the way, he was wearing his Sunday best and he had a young aid with him. They sat down on a bench right on Church St. He is very much the man about town there.

[Vanimal46]

Hopefully, this link works for anyone who wants to watch but I basically agree 100% with this.

 

https://twitter.com/timjacobwise/status/1152930670093787141

 

Trump's a racist, white supremacist. That's what the 2020 election should be about.

This is a good thread. Thanks for sharing. I think at least during the primaries against fellow Dems there should be a focus on policy. Once it gets to the show down vs. Trump, then they can throw policy out the window and play the good vs. evil card.

[Musk21]

 

What is your platform, sir?

I'm not exactly sure, but Trump is a racist. Vote for me.

Right.

This is precisely what should be avoided. This makes the democrats a one-trick pony. Combating Trump's "racism" with emotional rhetoric won't win them an election. They need to focus on ideas and how those ideas are supposed to work.

 

Isn't Trump's "platform" essentially that?  "Democrats are socialists, who are weak on crime and borders, and don't support the 2nd amendment, our vets or the military."

 

 

What's been said here many times, and it INFURIATES me with the Democratic candidates, is that they focus TOO much on the issues...

[Badsmerf]

What is your platform, sir?

 

I'm not exactly sure, but Trump is a racist. Vote for me.

 

Right.

 

This is precisely what should be avoided. This makes the democrats a one-trick pony. Combating Trump's "racism" with emotional rhetoric won't win them an election. They need to focus on ideas and how those ideas are supposed to work.

What part of Trump's policy do you like? Catering to big corporations that want to abuse resources and the environment? Catering to the wealthy donors he lied about not taking money from during his campaign? The xenophobia against people from brown countries? The complete impotence on healthcare?

 

Trump doesn't have bona fides in policy. Hillary Clinton destroyed Trump in policy, and was pretty Wall Street friendly to boot. He panders to the Republican base with pro 2nd amendment speech, anti abortion, and climate denying.

 

This race isn't about policy. Most Americans are too ignorant to care about actual policy.

[howeda7]

 

What is your platform, sir?

I'm not exactly sure, but Trump is a racist. Vote for me.

Right.

This is precisely what should be avoided. This makes the democrats a one-trick pony. Combating Trump's "racism" with emotional rhetoric won't win them an election. They need to focus on ideas and how those ideas are supposed to work.

I saw a tweet series from the guy who ran multiple campaigns against David Duke that said explicitly the opposite. (Might be the same in the OP, if so apologies, I can't see the link for some reason).

 

Basically, the key was not to normalize him by debating policy with him or criticizing his policy failures or other petty personal stuff.  His supporters are locked in. They don't give a $%^ about your healthcare policy or your infrastructure plan. Even the ones who might know they got taken the first time won't admit it and will vote for him again. The few who do realize it don't need to be persuaded. They've probably already switched sides.

 

The answer is to get people off the sideline who didn't vote last time. This is also not done with policy wonk. It is done by making the election about getting the racist out of the White House. About who we are as a country and who we want to be.

 

Not saying this take is right. But I can't really argue with it. I would say this: Make the primary about policy. But make the general election about Trump.

 

[ewen21]

His supporters are locked in. They don't give a $%^ about your healthcare policy or your infrastructure plan.  

This is why they need to focus on policy. They've thrown out healthcare as a basic human right and different variations on a new green deal. That all sounds nice, but they have yet to articulate how these plans will actually work. In doing that, they've alienated a lot of Americans. THIS is what they desperately need to turn their focus to.

 

....Instead they keep stepping on the same rake and right now Trump is just toying with them. If I'm you I am hoping some new candidate emerges out of the blue because this field is an atrocity. None of these candidates has what it takes

[gunnarthor]

 

I saw a tweet series from the guy who ran multiple campaigns against David Duke that said explicitly the opposite. (Might be the same in the OP, if so apologies, I can't see the link for some reason).

 

Basically, the key was not to normalize him by debating policy with him or criticizing his policy failures or other petty personal stuff.  His supporters are locked in. They don't give a $%^ about your healthcare policy or your infrastructure plan. Even the ones who might know they got taken the first time won't admit it and will vote for him again. The few who do realize it don't need to be persuaded. They've probably already switched sides.

 

The answer is to get people off the sideline who didn't vote last time. This is also not done with policy wonk. It is done by making the election about getting the racist out of the White House. About who we are as a country and who we want to be.

 

Not saying this take is right. But I can't really argue with it. I would say this: Make the primary about policy. But make the general election about Trump.

Yep, this exactly. Trump's supporters are lost causes but we need turnout to be high, like it was in 2018. Remind voters who are independent or sitting out how bad he is. Just run ads with Trump talking about he grabs women. Make that the entire ad.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Also, implicit in the “make it about racism” argument, is that everything would be fine and dandy if we just went back to how things were in 2016 before Trump. I have no interest in that and would probably make me a third party voter.

 

I guess the other assumption is that during the three debates, the Democrat should ignore all the policy questions and call Trump a racist and high five the audience for the full 90 minutes? You think that’s gonna fly?

[gunnarthor]

 

Also, implicit in the “make it about racism” argument, is that everything would be fine and dandy if we just went back to how things were in 2016 before Trump. I have no interest in that and would probably make me a third party voter.

I guess the other assumption is that during the three debates, the Democrat should ignore all the policy questions and call Trump a racist and high five the audience for the full 90 minutes? You think that’s gonna fly?

I think you misread the link. Obviously, the Democratic candidate, whoever it is, will have solid answers for the debates, just like HRC did. And, just like HRC, he'll easily win the debates over Trump. But he/she can't rely on that, their answers should always dovetail into why Trump is bad for America, doesn't represent America's true values, etc.

 

I expect third party voting numbers will be lower than 2016.

[Vanimal46]

Also, implicit in the “make it about racism” argument, is that everything would be fine and dandy if we just went back to how things were in 2016 before Trump. I have no interest in that and would probably make me a third party voter.

 

I guess the other assumption is that during the three debates, the Democrat should ignore all the policy questions and call Trump a racist and high five the audience for the full 90 minutes? You think that’s gonna fly?

I also have no interest in a make it about racism argument. I think right now the word racism is overused and losing its true meaning. One of the things I agree with Ewen about! Media and politicians need to cool it with calling everyone racist, otherwise it will fall on deaf ears.

 

I mean, right now we have people claiming racism when a person had 20 items in an express lane at the grocery store... It's getting to be way too much.

 

https://twitter.com/CJenningsWSB/status/1152686288740507648?s=19

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

... their answers should always dovetail into why Trump is bad for America, doesn't represent America's true values, etc.

Sure, I can sorta get on board with that, but the Twitter thread is calling for explicit racism accusations.

 

And as far as “Trump is bad for America”, I think it’s the policies, and Trump is just a political drifter who entered the scene recently. I’m really put off when these candidates go off on Trump himself. That seems to be the campaign Klobuchar and Biden want to run. Maybe others; don’t know. I’m just not interested and will consider a third party vote.

[gunnarthor]

 

I also have no interest in a make it about racism argument. I think right now the word racism is overused and losing its true meaning. One of the things I agree with Ewen about! Media and politicians need to cool it with calling everyone racist, otherwise it will fall on deaf ears.

I mean, right now we have people claiming racism when a person had 20 items in an express lane at the grocery store... It's getting to be way too much.

https://twitter.com/CJenningsWSB/status/1152686288740507648?s=19

I'm not sure how you can duck racism in this climate. Our immigration/border policies, the Muslim travel ban, the ugly attacks on women of color. This isn't acceptable and, while it might not be fun for white folks to hear, it's what is happening. We have a racist white supremacist sitting in the White House. That's the current reality. 

[USMCTwin]

 

I'm not sure how you can duck racism in this climate. Our immigration/border policies, the Muslim travel ban, the ugly attacks on women of color. This isn't acceptable and, while it might not be fun for white folks to hear, it's what is happening. We have a racist white supremacist sitting in the White House. That's the current reality. 

 

I don't know that I buy Trump is a racist or a white supremacist. I definitely think he enables a contingent of his supporters who are and that is terrible and wrong. His ugly attacks are certainly not limited to women of color. Doesn't excuse his behavior in my book, just makes him not a nice person.

[Vanimal46]

I'm not sure how you can duck racism in this climate. Our immigration/border policies, the Muslim travel ban, the ugly attacks on women of color. This isn't acceptable and, while it might not be fun for white folks to hear, it's what is happening. We have a racist white supremacist sitting in the White House. That's the current reality.

When there are enough claims of racism and instant back pedaling from the accuser, in the example I posted it was Erica Thomas, then it's going to fall on deaf ears.