Shipley: Ryan Discusses Slama

[jokin]

 

I still think the bigger issue is playing time. I would call up Slama instead of Perdomo, but there really are only so many innings to go around. Makes little sense to call people up to sit on the bench for a month.

 

On a team that spent large chunks of the year with an 8 man bullpen, and STILL managed to find reason to complain about the pen being "worn out" weekly--which team is now employing 6 starters--I think you can find some innings for a couple extra relievers. If nothing else, you save wear and tear on Burton, who they've been concerned about all year.

 

This, like every other reason Ryan or anyone else has brought up, makes little sense if given even the slightest thought.

 

Well, even with the 6 man rotation the Twins now have a 9 man bullpen without Slama, so I'm sure they are pretty much covered. Not sure there would be a ton of innings to be had even if they continue to protect Burton as much as they have the past couple of months.

 

I don't want to argue too much because I agree that Slama should be up (instead of Perdomo). I just think a lack of available innings is a more logical explanation than cheapness.

 

Plenty of available innings tonight for Swarzack and Perdomo to throw BP to the White Sox- who quickly proceeded to break their own team record for Doubles in a single game....

[SarasotaBill]

Obviously Ryan doesn't believe in Slama so he would rather keep him as an insurance policy for next year.

 

If Ryan adds Slama to the 40 and then he takes him off then another team only needs to keep Slama on the 40.

 

If Ryan keeps Slama off the 40 then another team must use the Rule V and keep him on their 25.

 

It'll be interesting if Slama doesn't get claimed in the Rule V, will Ryan invite Slama to MN ST.

[DPJ]

Colter Bean V2.0

[DaveW]

Let's see,

Scott Diamond was one of the first Pitchers cut in Spring Training. I guess, the Twins Brass were also right on that one.

LOL, that is some flawless reasoning there... funny, you don't hear all the haters bitching about the Twins trading Billy Bullock for Diamond any more, perhaps the Twins did know what they were doing long term, just like they did with Perkins, Slowey and most likely Slama.

 

I can't believe a 28 year old AAA RP is causing 8 pages worth of threads over the past 24 hours. This will look really foolish when the Twins give him 50 IP next year and he walks 40 while giving up 30 ER

[DaveW]

 

When his reasoning is based on fallacies, I think its more shocking that anyone WOULD appreciate his reasoning

 

Like night follows day, it seems the willing apologists (they know who they are) always appreciate the Twins FO faulty reasoning

 

Or perhaps some of us actually look at every issue seperately and don't jump down the throat of the FO over every single move.

Ryan has had his faults this year no doubt, but to try to make him out to be some incompetent GM is ridiculous, his track record/success on his first go around speaks for itself.

 

Besides, its Anthony freaking Slama, not a guy like Parmelee.

 

Oh wait, that's right, he screwed that one up, too.

 

How? Parmelee is up now getting at bats and crushing it, is it really that big of a deal that he didn't get an additional 30-40 AB in August? Who exactly was he supposed to take those at bats from anyways?

Morneau? I imagine they wanted him to get as many at bats as he could in order to showcase him for a potential off season deal.

Span? Ditto

Mauer/Willingham? You don't take your best two bats out of the lineup for a rookie.

[Boom Boom]

 

I can't believe a 28 year old AAA RP is causing 8 pages worth of threads over the past 24 hours. This will look really foolish when the Twins give him 50 IP next year and he walks 40 while giving up 30 ER

 

The Twins haven't had any trouble finding innings for even older AAA relievers with even worse stat lines and stuff that's no better than Slama's. Outside of saving a busload of orphans from falling off a cliff I don't know what else Slama can do to earn a call up.

[Monkeypaws]

What is Slama's strikeout pitch?

[nokomismod]

I think his strikeout pitch is a slider.

This is a big head scratcher and it's great how much we all care about it. Part of it is I think he might make the bullpen better, but it's also about emphathy for the guy as I can only imagine if I was in his shoes, I would want a shot with the big league club.

Could it be the Stache? Or was he friends with Slowey?

[old nurse]

The guy doesn't have what it takes at this level. People care way to much about stats, real scouts watch the games, he had his chance and proved all the scouts right.

 

7 innings. You are aware of how dominant he has been in AAA, right? Real scouts know that seeing-eye scouting and statistics should line up. Statistics are fairly objective, by the way. What some scout sees is subjective. You are aware of this difference, right?

 

 

The same statistics that showed Hendricks dominated AAA ball means what to his major league success so far? While statistics describe what a player has done at a level it is not necessarily a predictor for the next level. For hitters Dave McCarty comes to mind of minor league statistics. Great skill set for the minors, never panned out in the majors. Kevin Slowey is another.

Slama should get a chance though to pitch at the major league level. Roster manipulation may be in play.

[Nick Nelson]

This will look really foolish when the Twins give him 50 IP next year and he walks 40 while giving up 30 ER

If you believe that, then you're missing the point. So is Reusse. I don't see anyone here claiming that Slama is definitely going to be a great reliever in the majors. In fact, I'm very willing to believe that the Twins' evaluation of him may be correct. But I don't trust them enough that I'm going to simply take their word for it. It simply doesn't hurt anything to give him a shot that he's clearly earned through performance.

[Brock Beauchamp]

This will look really foolish when the Twins give him 50 IP next year and he walks 40 while giving up 30 ER

If you believe that, then you're missing the point. So is Reusse. I don't see anyone here claiming that Slama is definitely going to be a great reliever in the majors. In fact, I'm very willing to believe that the Twins' evaluation of him may be correct. But I don't trust them enough that I'm going to simply take their word for it. It simply doesn't hurt anything to give him a shot that he's clearly earned through performance.

 

No one can look at the 2012 bullpen and then tell me with a straight face that Slama hasn't earned multiple chances to pitch for the big league club.

 

Jeff-freakin-Gray, people. Jeff-freaking-Gray.

[DPJ]

This is what it's come to...Anthony ****ing Slama.

[IdahoPilgrim]

 

I can't believe a 28 year old AAA RP is causing 8 pages worth of threads over the past 24 hours. This will look really foolish when the Twins give him 50 IP next year and he walks 40 while giving up 30 ER

 

This isn't about Slama. This whole issue is simply a proxy to express long-simmering resentment about the front office. If it wasn't Slama, it would have crystallized around something else (Butera?).

 

I'm in favor of whatever will end this debate once and for all. My guess - nobody takes him in the Rule V draft, he gets an invite to ST, and doesn't make the club on opening day.

[DPJ]

My guess - nobody takes him in the Rule V draft, he gets an invite to ST, and doesn't make the club on opening day.

 

Someone thinks there's Johan Santana's and Dan Uggla's loading up the Rule 5 draft.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I'd be shocked if no one took Slama in the Rule V draft. Where is the risk in doing so? You're not going to find a more MLB-ready player in that draft.

[snepp]

I don't see anyone here claiming that Slama is definitely going to be a great reliever in the majors.

 

Quit picking on Dave's strawmen, they have feelings too. It's obvious that we're all claiming Slama is guaranteed to be a Hall of Fame closer.

[jokin]

 

When his reasoning is based on fallacies, I think its more shocking that anyone WOULD appreciate his reasoning

 

Like night follows day, it seems the willing apologists (they know who they are) always appreciate the Twins FO faulty reasoning

 

Or perhaps some of us actually look at every issue seperately and don't jump down the throat of the FO over every single move.

Ryan has had his faults this year no doubt, but to try to make him out to be some incompetent GM is ridiculous, his track record/success on his first go around speaks for itself.

 

Besides, its Anthony freaking Slama, not a guy like Parmelee.

 

Oh wait, that's right, he screwed that one up, too.

 

How? Parmelee is up now getting at bats and crushing it, is it really that big of a deal that he didn't get an additional 30-40 AB in August? Who exactly was he supposed to take those at bats from anyways?

Morneau? I imagine they wanted him to get as many at bats as he could in order to showcase him for a potential off season deal.

Span? Ditto

Mauer/Willingham? You don't take your best two bats out of the lineup for a rookie.

 

Kudos to your bravery (or your masochistic urges) for your shameless shilling for the Twins FO. Span, Mauer and Willingham have nothing to do with this point of contention. The Twins obviously went in to the season with an uncertain plan for their roster. Willingham in RF and then LF at the last minute, Revere 4th/5th OF and then demoted for Komatsu/Thomas, Doumit starts out as RF starter, Plouffe is "super-utility" OF-IF......

 

Parmelee soon ended up with a role on the Twins as the 3rd 1B/6th OF- which means he doesn't play, goes down to the IL, mashes at an elite level above anyone in the entire Leauge, gets called up again to the Twins- only to sit again and then be soon sent down again when it was definitively determined that the Twins would violate their promise of no scholarships and unnecessary bench spots held by 3rd Catchers.

 

In the meantime it's clear now that Morneau could have been traded to the Blue Jays, possibly the Rays and then most definitely to the LA Dodgers. The obviously logical move for a team that should be in full-rebuild mode, but instead is in full-time clueless mode.

 

So yeah, the Twins screwed this one up, too, royally.

[jokin]

 

I can't believe a 28 year old AAA RP is causing 8 pages worth of threads over the past 24 hours. This will look really foolish when the Twins give him 50 IP next year and he walks 40 while giving up 30 ER

 

This isn't about Slama. This whole issue is simply a proxy to express long-simmering resentment about the front office. If it wasn't Slama, it would have crystallized around something else (Butera?).

 

I'm in favor of whatever will end this debate once and for all. My guess - nobody takes him in the Rule V draft, he gets an invite to ST, and doesn't make the club on opening day.

 

One man's Proxy is another man's Bill of Attainder.

 

This is not about resentment, the club has been found repeatedly guilty- not just of failed promises, decrepit decision-making and moribund mismanagement, but also of blatant hypocrisy about it's own self-imposed standards for performance as determinants for reward and punishment.

[Mauerzy4Prez]

I think what this front office really needs to do is be totally up front about their intent on these moves, and stop contradicting themselves over and over again. All we have heard the last week or so is that the Twins will still "honor the integrity of the game" and put their best line ups on the field when playing contending teams.... GREAT!!! But how are their call ups (other than Parm) going to allow them to do this? Escobar had a great game last night, and his offense will come back to Earth. Perdomo is wild, and not Samuel Deduno wild, and clearly there are other guys in AAA (Slama) that are better right now. I'm not blaming Terry Ryan for this, I blame Jim Pohlad. This guy has no care or desire to make the team any better than they already are. I recently heard an interview where Jimmy said that the decision to remove the interim tag from TR's title is up to TR. AHHH Okay? You're the owner of this team, and you handle all hiring decisions, but you're okay with letting someone basically chose their own destiny as your GM? How are they going to ever expect TR to perform at his best, when he has nobody holding him accountable for his decisions? Bottom line, we can discuss who should be called up or shouldn't, how the Twins need to improve their pitching staff, etc... all day. It will not matter one bit until this ownership either decides to step up, or sells to somebody who actually cares about winning.

[Dark Kinetic-Grip]

If you are of the opinion that you have more Baseball Intelligence™ than Terry Ryan concerning Anthony Slama and that he clearly deserves to be in MLB;

 

Predict the future 2013 MLB complete season statistics for Anthony Slama with a team other than the Minnesota Twins:

IP:

ERA:

WHIP:

BB:

SO:

[IdahoPilgrim]

This isn't about Slama. This whole issue is simply a proxy to express long-simmering resentment about the front office. If it wasn't Slama, it would have crystallized around something else (Butera?).

 

 

This is not about resentment, the club has been found repeatedly guilty- not just of failed promises, decrepit decision-making and moribund mismanagement, but also of blatant hypocrisy about it's own self-imposed standards for performance as determinants for reward and punishment.

 

This kind of makes my case for me.

 

I like the alliteration, though.

[jokin]

If you are of the opinion that you have more Baseball Intelligence™ than Terry Ryan concerning Anthony Slama and that he clearly deserves to be in MLB;

 

Predict the future 2013 MLB complete season statistics for Anthony Slama with a team other than the Minnesota Twins:

IP:

ERA:

WHIP:

BB:

SO:

 

OK, but while you're completely veering past the point while clumsily employing Argumentis Extremis, why don't you go first?, TR can go second- as he probably already knows the team that drafts him in the Rule 5...., and then, someone with "clearly" more "Baseball Intelligence" can give it a shot.

[DPJ]

If you are of the opinion that you have more Baseball Intelligence™ than Terry Ryan concerning Anthony Slama and that he clearly deserves to be in MLB;

 

Predict the future 2013 MLB complete season statistics for Anthony Slama with a team other than the Minnesota Twins:

IP:

ERA:

WHIP:

BB:

SO:

 

Someone is not quite understanding peoples frustration in this thread?

[Seth Stohs]

I'd be shocked if no one took Slama in the Rule V draft. Where is the risk in doing so? You're not going to find a more MLB-ready player in that draft.

 

Last year, the Twins took Slama off the 40 man roster. No one claimed him. he was also eligible for the Rule 5 draft. he went undrafted. He tops out at 88 mph. Those aren't the types that get taken. He'll come to spring training with the Twins next year and we'll see what happens.

[gunnarthor]

Unbelievable thread.

[ashbury]

he had his chance and proved all the scouts right.

 

Trollin' trollin' trollin', keep those posts a-rollin'...

 

Seven innings. Yep, case closed.

[Nick Nelson]

Last year, the Twins took Slama off the 40 man roster. No one claimed him. he was also eligible for the Rule 5 draft. he went undrafted. He tops out at 88 mph. Those aren't the types that get taken. He'll come to spring training with the Twins next year and we'll see what happens.

He had elbow problems around this time last year. With a clean bill of health, it's going to be a different story.

[DPJ]

This thread is so loose butthole.

[Twins Twerp]

Haha, this is what is come too. You know you're in loserville USA when the conversation on how a AAA reliever, who has never been looked at as a prospect, who is tearing up AAA at age 50, is the topic of the town.

 

*The vikings season is already over.

*The Gophers mind as well commit mass suicide as to evade total embarrassment.

*The T-Wolves are...the T-Wolves.

*The Wild are in full on NHL lockout mode after spending eleventy billion dollars this offseason.

*The Lynx still are playing while wearing clothes, call when they aren't.

*Gophers hockey still isn't Souix Hockey

 

*And the Minnesota freakin' Twins have resorted to mass conversation about ANTHONY, 39th round pick, SLAMA. God has smiled upon us with the great gift of Slama, and we hath turned our backeth on him by not giving him a shot at 7 innings of middle relief work...oh the humanity.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Haha, this is what is come too. You know you're in loserville USA when the conversation on how a AAA reliever, who has never been looked at as a prospect, who is tearing up AAA at age 50, is the topic of the town.

 

*The vikings season is already over.

*The Gophers mind as well commit mass suicide as to evade total embarrassment.

*The T-Wolves are...the T-Wolves.

*The Wild are in full on NHL lockout mode after spending eleventy billion dollars this offseason.

*The Lynx still are playing while wearing clothes, call when they aren't.

*Gophers hockey still isn't Souix Hockey

 

*And the Minnesota freakin' Twins have resorted to mass conversation about ANTHONY, 39th round pick, SLAMA. God has smiled upon us with the great gift of Slama, and we hath turned our backeth on him by not giving him a shot at 7 innings of middle relief work...oh the humanity.

 

Post of the week.