Article: Twins Acquire LHP Kevin Chapman For Danny Santana

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Implicit in my parenthetical comment was a question I intended to ask: do waivers transfer over for the rest of the season, after a trade? I.e. does the waiver pertain to the player, or to the team, once granted?

I would guess that waivers pertain to the player.

 

But, once a player is outrighted and then re-added to the roster, waivers would have to be secured again to outright him a second time anyway.  (Which makes sense, otherwise teams could freely and repeatedly add and drop certain players from the 40-man roster.)

 

The way that waivers remain in effect for a longer period is if you secure outright waivers, but don't actually do anything with them.  So a team could secure waivers on a player today, but leave him on their roster, and they would be free to outright him (once) any time between now and the end of this waiver period (which runs roughly May 1st through August 31st).

 

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[DaveW]

 

I think Santana could be a valuable role player, if his role is pinch runner. And emergency injury replacement.

 In the day of 1,000,000 man bullpens and SP who can't go more than 100 pitches, there really is no place for a guy whose main role is PR (unless it's the playoffs), but even then, Santana isn't exactly Billy Hamilton or even Aaron Hicks on the base paths.

I think Santana ultimately is just AAAA type depth, he can fill in for a week or two if your 2B or SS gets injured, he can step in during that time and be the Util bench guy.

It wouldn't shock me to see him "play" in the majors for another 4-5 years, but it also wouldn't shock me if with that he never saw more than 120 at bats a year as well.

[Thrylos]

 

Anybody remember Drew Butera--and how some proclaimed "we won that deal"?

 

Sure.  Drew Butera was turned into Miguel Sulbaran who was turned into Eduardo Nunez who was turned into Adalberto Mejia.

 

Butera for Mejia, thus, it's a Twins' win

[DaveW]

 

Sure.  Drew Butera was turned into Miguel Sulbaran who was turned into Eduardo Nunez who was turned into Adalberto Mejia.

 

 

That's not how trades work though.

[Shaitan]

Let's stop pretending that trades are one-sided affairs where one team "wins" and the other "loses."

 

As for this transaction, it's the equivalent of a minor league signing.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Let's stop pretending that trades are one-sided affairs where one team "wins" and the other "loses."

 

As for this transaction, it's the equivalent of a minor league signing.

 

if you can get a random ball player for a guy you were going to cut, you won. Doesn't mean the other team lost, btw......

[DaveW]

Let's stop pretending that trades are one-sided affairs where one team "wins" and the other "loses."

 

As for this transaction, it's the equivalent of a minor league signing.

Often times they are.

 

The Twins certainly won the AJ trade, I imagine most Giants fans would say they "lost" that trade.

[yarnivek1972]

 

Often times they are.

The Twins certainly won the AJ trade, I imagine most Giants fans would say they "lost" that trade.

 

 

That was a head scratcher of a trade from the Giants perspective.  Why would you trade one MLB pitcher for a one tool catcher, let alone 2 and another with strong potential?  AJ hit for average, period.  He never hit for power as a Twin, he certainly was nothing special defensively and he certainly wasn't fast.  That's seriously right up there with the Herschel Walker trade for most lopsided in sports history.

[TheGiantTeapot]

 

if you can get a random ball player for a guy you were going to cut, you won. Doesn't mean the other team lost, btw......

This.

[notoriousgod71]

 

Sure.  Drew Butera was turned into Miguel Sulbaran who was turned into Eduardo Nunez who was turned into Adalberto Mejia.

 

Butera for Mejia, thus, it's a Twins' win

 

Butera for Castillo= Castillo for Mejia. Twins lose.

 

Scott Tyler and Travis Bowyer for Castillo= Tyler and Bowyer for Mejia. Twins win?

[BoofBonser]

Ew

[PseudoSABR]

 

Butera for Castillo= Castillo for Mejia. Twins lose.

 

Scott Tyler and Travis Bowyer for Castillo= Tyler and Bowyer for Mejia. Twins win?

Isn't the lesson that you hold onto assets (even depreciated ones), so that you can retain future assets?   Whether the a certain team wins or loses a trade isn't the point so much as they didn't choose to wait until their given asset was worth nothing.  

Edited May 10, 2017 by PseudoSABR

[biggentleben]

 

My initial reaction is meh. My second reaction is both players will be lucky to survive the season with their new organizations.

 

Maybe the Twins absolute travesty of a bullpen will force them to keep Chapman around.

 

You've not noticed the black hole that is the Braves bench, have you? Julio Teheran pinch hit and pinch ran in back to back games between starts.

[USAFChief]

You've not noticed the black hole that is the Braves bench, have you? Julio Teheran pinch hit and pinch ran in back to back games between starts.

And that hasn't changed. He's probably a better hitter than Danny Santana.