Ichiro reaches 3000 hits in the majors

[gunnarthor]

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17127981/ichiro-reaches-3000-hits-following-meticulous-standards

 

Pretty amazing considering he didn't start until age 27.  30th player to get to that milestone.  Can you name the other 29?  

http://www.sporcle.com/games/g/3000hits

 

(I got 27)

[Vanimal46]

Congratulations Ichiro! What a career for him. 

[Mr. Brooks]

Harder than I thought it would be. I got 23.

The only no brainer I missed was Jeter somehow.

 

Congrats ichiro. Always been a favorite of mine.

[Mike Sixel]

Great, great, player. 

[ashbury]

Ichiro achieves a major milestone, 3 comments here. ARod gets released retires, everyone loses their minds.

 

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/013/052/schemer.PNG

[PseudoSABR]

http://i.imgur.com/C2mpWa1.jpg

[Mike Sixel]

 

http://i.imgur.com/C2mpWa1.jpg

 

amazing!

[Oldgoat_MN]

An amazing accomplishment. Almost certainly more hits at a professional level than anyone else who ever lived.

 

Icharo may be the first player ever to be elected into the Hall of Fame unanimously. 

 

And how very American that would be.

[wsnydes]

 

Harder than I thought it would be. I got 23.
The only no brainer I missed was Jeter somehow.

Congrats ichiro. Always been a favorite of mine.

That's what I got too.  My face/palm inducing misses included Tris Speaker and Honus Wagner.  I'm half embarrassed to admit that, but I'll man up and do it anyway.  That's a fun quiz.

 

I always forget that Al Kaline got 3,000 for some reason.

[James]

Congrats to Ichiro.  He's an amazing player and he should be voted into the HOF unanimously, although there will probably some jerk hold out. 

[Vanimal46]

If Ken Griffey Jr. can't make it into the HOF unanimously, no one will. There's always a jerk who makes it about himself or saving someone on the ballot who doesn't need to be saved. 

[gunnarthor]

 

If Ken Griffey Jr. can't make it into the HOF unanimously, no one will. There's always a jerk who makes it about himself or saving someone on the ballot who doesn't need to be saved. 

If it's anonymous, how is the voter making it about himself?  Secondly, why do we care?  A group of 500 or so people shouldn't have 100% agreement on anything.  I have never understood the frustration people have toward this.  Maddux, Big Unit, Griffey, Mays, Ruth, Aaron are all inner circle HOFers.  Does anyone know or care how many votes they didn't get?  

[Vanimal46]

 

If it's anonymous, how is the voter making it about himself?  Secondly, why do we care?  A group of 500 or so people shouldn't have 100% agreement on anything.  I have never understood the frustration people have toward this.  Maddux, Big Unit, Griffey, Mays, Ruth, Aaron are all inner circle HOFers.  Does anyone know or care how many votes they didn't get?  

Voters make it about themselves when they do not vote for a player, then write a scorching hot take article in their paper expressing why that person was not worthy of their vote. 

I don't care how many vote the player did or did not get. Mostly the post you responded to was a reply to others saying Ichiro should be a unanimous HOF selection. If Griffey didn't get 100% of the vote, no one will. 

[Mr. Brooks]

If it's anonymous, how is the voter making it about himself? Secondly, why do we care? A group of 500 or so people shouldn't have 100% agreement on anything. I have never understood the frustration people have toward this. Maddux, Big Unit, Griffey, Mays, Ruth, Aaron are all inner circle HOFers. Does anyone know or care how many votes they didn't get?

Because if a voter leaves one of those guys off their ballot then they are not fit for the job.

[gunnarthor]

 

I don't care how many vote the player did or did not get. Mostly the post you responded to was a reply to others saying Ichiro should be a unanimous HOF selection. If Griffey didn't get 100% of the vote, no one will. 

Well, that's true.  I thought Maddux was the most likely to get 100% but he fell (has to look it up), wow, 15 votes shy?  Interesting bar trivia, Maddux, while not the highest percentage ever, has the most votes, ever - 555.  

[Mike Sixel]

Seriously....15 people did not vote for Maddux. Wow.

[gunnarthor]

 

Because if a voter leaves one of those guys off their ballot then they are not fit for the job.

Why?  The 2014 ballot was loaded - 21 players with 50 WAR, 15 with 60.  11 with 70.  A voter could decide to leave an obvious guy - Maddux - off so he could vote for another guy.  3 of those 21 fell off the ballot that year.  Or a voter could being doing a protest - much like they did with Pete Rose decades ago.  Or maybe a voter has a real small HOF standard and thinks if Clemens isn't in the HOF, I won't vote for Maddux.  

 

If we want groupthink, that's fine.  We can just vote in guys with 70 WAR every year and move on.  But if we're going to have a system where individuals vote, you're going to have to accept a system where you aren't always going to be happy with those votes.  Focusing on the few votes ignores that the BBWAA has, for the most part, done a good job of voting in players.  The biggest issues have been by special HOF committees.  

[nicksaviking]

 

Harder than I thought it would be. I got 23.
The only no brainer I missed was Jeter somehow.

Congrats ichiro. Always been a favorite of mine.

 

I missed Paul Waner.

 

When I was a kid I could have recited the 3000 hit club, 500 HR club and 300 Win club in order.

 

And now we don't think much of those stats. What a wasted youth!

[Squirrel]

 

amazing!

Concur (because, well, we all wish we were Chief) and indeed (because that's usually my one-word 'go to')

[biggentleben]

 

Well, that's true.  I thought Maddux was the most likely to get 100% but he fell (has to look it up), wow, 15 votes shy?  Interesting bar trivia, Maddux, while not the highest percentage ever, has the most votes, ever - 555.  

 

Yeah, the "if Griffey can't get it" line falls short. Griffey had a really, really bad second half of his career. The final numbers look fine, but Craig Biggio's final numbers look good after he compiled for a while to get there. Griffey was a stud and then dropped completely from elite to average (if even that).

 

Maddux is the guy that blew my mind. How anyone could ever vote against that man is beyond me. They deserve to lose their vote for that (and interestingly enough, over half that didn't vote for him were among the purge of voters who hadn't written about baseball in so long that they were removed from the voting BBWAA the next year.

[gunnarthor]

 

 

 

Maddux is the guy that blew my mind. How anyone could ever vote against that man is beyond me. They deserve to lose their vote for that (and interestingly enough, over half that didn't vote for him were among the purge of voters who hadn't written about baseball in so long that they were removed from the voting BBWAA the next year.

We know the 15 voters who didn't vote for him?

[Vanimal46]

 

We know the 15 voters who didn't vote for him?

We know one just from a quick google search. Somebody called Ken Gurnick did not vote for him. His reasoning sounds like a stubborn old man.. "As for those who played during the period of PED use, I won't vote for any of them"

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/66341930/how-mlbcom-writers-voted-in-hall-of-fame-balloting/

[Thrylos]

 

An amazing accomplishment. Almost certainly more hits at a professional level than anyone else who ever lived.

 

Nope.  Rose has 4683 if you count his minor league hits.

[spinowner]

 

http://i.imgur.com/C2mpWa1.jpg

This is a testament to Suzuki's talent and physical fitness.

[Thrylos]

 

Griffey had a really, really bad second half of his career. 

 

Ichiro had a worse second half of his career.  The last 7 seasons, his OPS+ was above average only twice (and this includes this season that is not over.)

 

Also, cumulative career 42 WAR for Ichiro is not Hall of Fame good... 3000 hits or not.  

[Mike Sixel]

 

Ichiro had a worse second half of his career.  The last 7 seasons, his OPS+ was above average only twice (and this includes this season that is not over.)

 

Also, cumulative career 42 WAR for Ichiro is not Hall of Fame good... 3000 hits or not.  

 

dude, I've never done this on TD......but you ever say anything nice at all, in any thread?

[spinowner]

 

Yeah, the "if Griffey can't get it" line falls short. Griffey had a really, really bad second half of his career. The final numbers look fine, but Craig Biggio's final numbers look good after he compiled for a while to get there. Griffey was a stud and then dropped completely from elite to average (if even that).

 

Maddux is the guy that blew my mind. How anyone could ever vote against that man is beyond me. They deserve to lose their vote for that (and interestingly enough, over half that didn't vote for him were among the purge of voters who hadn't written about baseball in so long that they were removed from the voting BBWAA the next year.

Maddux made a career out of hoodwinking umpires into raising their right arms for pitches out of the strike zone.

[biggentleben]

 

We know the 15 voters who didn't vote for him?

 

The comments from fellow writers were made when certain guys left that "he needed to leave when he didn't vote for Maddux". Some admitted to it. Some made their ballots public. I believe the number was 13 of the 15 were confirmed and 8 of those 13 no longer have ballots.

[spinowner]

 

If Ken Griffey Jr. can't make it into the HOF unanimously, no one will. There's always a jerk who makes it about himself or saving someone on the ballot who doesn't need to be saved. 

I clicked like for this, but there are several players I'll put ahead of Griffey for the "should have been unanimous" title, and the man at the top of the list is Hank 755.

[biggentleben]

 

Maddux made a career out of hoodwinking umpires into raising their right arms for pitches out of the strike zone.

 

Odd, seeing as he got less that 25% of his total outs in his career via strikeout. Crazy career he made there. You may want to reconsider your position, or choose a different area to prod me on. This isn't a wise one.