More triples than stolen bases

[Eephus]

Curious how common it is for the MLB leader in triples to have fewer stolen bases than triples. I don't know how to use baseball reference well enough to come up with the answer. I did find an article that got into how Johnny Mize had a lot of triples and no stolen bases in some years. I don't know if he led the league. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

An interesting point. It certainly seems counter intuitive.

[bluechipper]

The last time it happened was in 2010 when Dexter Fowler had 14 triples, but was just 13 for 21 in stolen bases.

 

Fowler and Rosario would both fall into the category of good, but not great speed.

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

Evan Gattis is just the third guy in MLB history to have 10+ triples in a season and 0 stolen bases. One is a pitcher, the other was Russ "I am not a Crook" Nixon.

 

Gattis actually has 0 Career Stolen Bases.

 

It's just weird.

 

[sane]

It is hard to steal second base after you have hit a triple.

[Craig Arko]

 

It is hard to steal second base after you have hit a triple.

Certainly counter-productive. It's probably real easy.

[sane]

 

Certainly counter-productive. It's probably real easy.

That's true! If you are on 3B and you try to steal 2B, there should be little resistance.

Now if the catcher throws you out stealing 2B from 3B, There will be a tie for a position on the All-Stupid Team.

[ashbury]

It is hard to steal second base after you have hit a triple.

Certainly counter-productive. It's probably real easy.

I dunno. Germany Schaefer hit 48 triples in his career, yet never achieved the feat. If he couldn't, hard to think of who else could.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

That's true! If you are on 3B and you try to steal 2B, there should be little resistance.

Now if the catcher throws you out stealing 2B from 3B, There will be a tie for a position on the All-Stupid Team.

I know you're joking, but -- why shouldn't the catcher try to throw out a running "stealing" 2B from 3B?  On first blush, it's easy to say, hey, we'd rather have the runner on 2B rather than 3B -- but it's also an opportunity to get an out and not have a runner on either 2B or 3B.  A catcher throw to 2B is probably safer than to any other base too (which is a why a pitcher's pickoff throw in such a situation might be inadvisable).

 

It might be an especially smart throw from the catcher because I've never seen a runner get a good lead trying to steal 2B from 3B.

[sane]

 

I know you're joking, but -- why shouldn't the catcher try to throw out a running "stealing" 2B from 3B?  On first blush, it's easy to say, hey, we'd rather have the runner on 2B rather than 3B -- but it's also an opportunity to get an out and not have a runner on either 2B or 3B.  A catcher throw to 2B is probably safer than to any other base too (which is a why a pitcher's pickoff throw in such a situation might be inadvisable).

 

It might be an especially smart throw from the catcher because I've never seen a runner get a good lead trying to steal 2B from 3B.

What if the runner safely gets back to 3B when the catcher throws to 2B?....and yes, I am joking!

[Brock Beauchamp]

There's actually a rule stating that a runner cannot retake a base behind him once he has advanced to another base. It was created after some oddity in the early 20th century when a baserunner stole second, then first, then second again. I believe he was attempting to disrupt the pitcher.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Ah, I see Ash already referenced his name. Schaefer.

[ashbury]

Ashbury's Law of Teh Internets: Everybody posts, nobody reads.

[Craig Arko]

 

Ashbury's Law of Teh Internets: Everybody posts, nobody reads.

I just like to look at the pictures.

[ashbury]

I just like to look at the pictures.

According to Ashbury's Other Law ("I take what I want") I shall steal that corollary as my very own.

[dxpavelka]

 

It is hard to steal second base after you have hit a triple.

Nobody seems interested in stealing home since Rod Carew retired.

[Craig Arko]

 

Nobody seems interested in stealing home since Rod Carew retired.

Hunter tried it earlier this year, with predictable results. Rosario came close the way he scored on the Dozier popup (last week?).

 

Perhaps Buxton will revive the art.

[sane]

 

There's actually a rule stating that a runner cannot retake a base behind him once he has advanced to another base. It was created after some oddity in the early 20th century when a baserunner stole second, then first, then second again. I believe he was attempting to disrupt the pitcher.

Baseball’s Rule 7.08i reads: that after a runner reaches a base, he is out if “he runs the bases in reverse order for the purpose of confusing the defense or making a travesty of the game.”

"For the purpose of" means that the umpire has to determine "MOTIVE". Umpires give themselves more latitude on determining "motive", than is given to trial judges.

[Ex-Iowegian]

 

Umpires give themselves more latitude on determining "motive", than is given to trial judges.

Nice work if you can get it..

[stringer bell]

 

Hunter tried it earlier this year, with predictable results. Rosario came close the way he scored on the Dozier popup (last week?).

 

Perhaps Buxton will revive the art.

Just not when Sano is at the plate. I remember Rodney stealing home when Harmon was hitting, not a good idea for many reasons.

 

It was Escobar who hit the popup. Why do people keep confusing our slugging middle infielders?

[Craig Arko]

 

Just not when Sano is at the plate. I remember Rodney stealing home when Harmon was hitting, not a good idea for many reasons.

 

It was Escobar who hit the popup. Why do people keep confusing our slugging middle infielders?

They all look alike.

[tharasix]

 

Ashbury's Law of Teh Internets: Everybody posts, nobody reads.

 

The Internet is a write-only medium.

[Platoon]

It is hard to steal second base after you have hit a triple.

Nor is it practical!

[Platoon]

There's actually a rule stating that a runner cannot retake a base behind him once he has advanced to another base. It was created after some oddity in the early 20th century when a baserunner stole second, then first, then second again. I believe he was attempting to disrupt the pitcher.

I wish they had not instituted that rule! I would have enjoyed Dick/Bert explaining the circumstances and scoring the play!

[Platoon]

Nobody seems interested in stealing home since Rod Carew retired.

I wish the other teams would try it against us. I want to see Suzuki credited with a caught stealing before the year is over! . (Yes I know he got a cheapy on a terrible throw the other day)

[notoriousgod71]

 

I know you're joking, but -- why shouldn't the catcher try to throw out a running "stealing" 2B from 3B?  On first blush, it's easy to say, hey, we'd rather have the runner on 2B rather than 3B -- but it's also an opportunity to get an out and not have a runner on either 2B or 3B.  A catcher throw to 2B is probably safer than to any other base too (which is a why a pitcher's pickoff throw in such a situation might be inadvisable).

 

It might be an especially smart throw from the catcher because I've never seen a runner get a good lead trying to steal 2B from 3B.

 

 

If the catcher throws it into center field, the base runner will likely take first. Not a risk you want to take.

[notoriousgod71]

 

Baseball’s Rule 7.08i reads: that after a runner reaches a base, he is out if “he runs the bases in reverse order for the purpose of confusing the defense or making a travesty of the game.”

"For the purpose of" means that the umpire has to determine "MOTIVE". Umpires give themselves more latitude on determining "motive", than is given to trial judges.

 

The Ruben Rivera rule?

[twinsnorth49]

Why do people keep confusing our slugging middle infielders?

Too many triples.......

 

I'll show myself out.

[BeenHazy]

 

Curious how common it is for the MLB leader in triples to have fewer stolen bases than triples. I don't know how to use baseball reference well enough to come up with the answer. I did find an article that got into how Johnny Mize had a lot of triples and no stolen bases in some years. I don't know if he led the league. 

I can't determine when a player may have led the league in triples with a lower SB total, but I can see when a player had a certain number of triples and fewer steals.  

 

It used to be quite common for players to have 15 or more triples with a lesser number of steals.  Stan Musial did it three times.  Enos Slaughter, Arky Vaughan, Johnny Mize, Joe Dimaggio, Hank Greenberg, Tony Lazerri, and other HOFers all did it.  Lou Gherig did it, too...and so did Wally Pipp - once as a Yankee, and again after he was Wally Pipped, as a Red.

 

It has become increasingly rare.  It happened several times every season through the 20s, 30s and 40s, but Rosario will become only the 7th player with 15 triples and fewer steals in the expansion era.  Dexter Fowler in 2011 is the only other player to do so since 1979.

 

Eddie will be the first Twin to do it with 15 triples.  Drop that requirement to 10 and he has the company of five others - Zoilo Versalles 13 3B / 7 SB 1963, Rich Rollins 10/2 1964, Rod Carew 10/6 1971, Disco Dan Ford 10/7 1978, and Ken Landreaux 11/8 1980.

[Eephus]

 

Evan Gattis is just the third guy in MLB history to have 10+ triples in a season and 0 stolen bases. One is a pitcher, the other was Russ "I am not a Crook" Nixon.

 

Gattis actually has 0 Career Stolen Bases.

 

It's just weird.

I did see in SABR an article "The Evan Gattis Club" that Johnny Mize led the league in triples in 1938 (16) and 1939 (14) and had NO stolen bases either year. There's a reference to not having many stolen bases by anyone in the 1933-1940 era. Also Mize played in Sportsman's Park that had a deep center.