2016 Election Thread

[USMCTwin]

Republicans in Congress are spearheading, Republican Pres. candidates are banging the drum, and Republican governors are backing them.

 

Sorry man, it is a Republican issue.

More than 25% of the house democrats disagree with you.

[TheLeviathan]

More than 25% of the house democrats disagree with you.

C'mon.....you have to see how paltry that retort is.

[USMCTwin]

C'mon.....you have to see how paltry that retort is.

I think it's an American issue that we need to face. Surely you can't believe more than 25% of democrats would support a supposedly republican issue. This is bigger than the parties themselves, we have started to fear Muslims and immigrants, or in my mind worse still, lack empathy for people in horrible situations. But I think you and I agree on refugees should most certainly be welcome and we are going to just have to disagree on who exactly should be blamed for this or more importantly to figure out whose minds we need to change.

[PseudoSABR]

It's a right wing issue.  There's plenty of Democrats that have to pull right in order to continue to get elected in right leaning districts.  

[PseudoSABR]

I know this really doesn't apply to many here.  But I think it's appropriate nonetheless.

[USMCTwin]

It's a right wing issue. There's plenty of Democrats that have to pull right in order to continue to get elected in right leaning districts.

Over 1/4 of democrats in the house live in right leaning districts? That seems incredibly far-fetched.

[TheLeviathan]

Over 1/4 of democrats in the house live in right leaning districts? That seems incredibly far-fetched.

Gun rights voting pulls plenty of Dems too, still a Republican issue.

 

Should we start listing percentage of a Republicans? 25% ain't going to seem all that significant.

[mikecgrimes]

 

Distinctions made because of race--even against the white race--are racists.  Whether it's based in reason or experience, it's still racist.  It's when you take that limited experience and those reasons and apply it to the next person of that race that makes it racists. (e.g. using the incident in France, to bar Syrian refugees, letting some braver, more decent State take the burden.)

 

As to the merit of what you said, I'm sure many disagreed, but hardly thought it was a productive conversation to have.  (I mean how do you argue with made up statistics.)  And for the record, you implied that White people would go further than other people to stop school shootings. 

 

If Republicans want to stop being called racist, quit promoting policy that discriminates non-whites and protects white privilege. 

 

So you are on record as saying a statisticly meaningful # of white people are pro school shooting?  Don't say it if you don't mean it.

[USMCTwin]

Gun rights voting pulls plenty of Dems too, still a Republican issue.

 

Should we start listing percentage of a Republicans? 25% ain't going to seem all that significant.

Actually I think gun rights transcend parties also and is an issue where America needs to have some serious conversations rather than assigning blame. So maybe I just view things differently, but I understand how both of these things get assigned to the Republican Party. Again I think we agree on the issue at hand of what should/needs to be done so I think we shouldn't get caught up on this nuance.

[PseudoSABR]

 

So you are on record as saying a statisticly meaningful # of white people are pro school shooting?  Don't say it if you don't mean it.

No I'm not.  I'm going on record, and saying all people of all races are against school shootings.  Jesus Christ.

[PseudoSABR]

 

Over 1/4 of democrats in the house live in right leaning districts? That seems incredibly far-fetched.

Honestly I don't care about their rationale.  It's a cowardly vote, no matter the party.  Opportune pandering. 

[USMCTwin]

Honestly I don't care about their rationale. It's a cowardly vote, no matter the party. Opportune pandering.

Agreed.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

No I'm not.  I'm going on record, and saying all people of all races are against school shootings.  Jesus Christ.

What about Klingons? Could you be more specific?

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

 

So if I say something that at this point despite several replies nobody has disagreed with about white people I'm a racist?  That's cool.  The guy who put all school shootings on the white race as an equal to terrorism of course is just a nice guy who has no bias at all.  Every Republican has been called racist so much the last 7 years the term has become meaningless.   I didn't even say anything bad about any race all I said is white people do not support school shootings and regardlesss of politics want's to do something about them. 

 

Hi!

 

I think you might be talking about me, from another thread. That is not actually even close to what I said, but I give you an E for Effort.

 

But now that you mention it, I wouldn't say that school shootings are equal to terrorist attacks carried out in some far corner of the earth. I think school shootings are much worse, because we have the power to actually do something about them (most of them). The equivalence I was talking about was the relative deadness of the victims and devastation of the families. 

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

By the way, what ever happened to #AllLivesMatter ?

 

 

[mikecgrimes]

 

No I'm not.  I'm going on record, and saying all people of all races are against school shootings.  Jesus Christ.

 

Understood, so you happen to be in complete agreement with my "racist" statement?  You were implying that you and others probably were disagreeing with it.  Let the record show that despite a lot of people really really wishing they were disagreeing with me NOBODY has disagreed with me, and in this case it appears you are offended that I suggested that you disagreed with me.  Please don't call me racist, please don't imply I am racist it's disgusting.

[mikecgrimes]

 

Hi!

 

I think you might be talking about me, from another thread. That is not actually even close to what I said, but I give you an E for Effort.

 

But now that you mention it, I wouldn't say that school shootings are equal to terrorist attacks carried out in some far corner of the earth. I think school shootings are much worse, because we have the power to actually do something about them (most of them). The equivalence I was talking about was the relative deadness of the victims and devastation of the families. 

 

Not you, you never called out the white race as supporters of school shootings.  I agree we can do something about it, problem is people that want to ban guns more aren't a solution from my perspective, and putting guns in the hands of people who are trained to use them in schools is not a solution the other side is willing to consider.  I can respect the other side, and I really respect the fact that the instant a shooting happens both sides are instantly trying to solve the problem despite the political stalemate.

[USAFChief]

Accusations of racism are rarely productive, and often unfair.

 

It's not racist to accept there is a world terrorism problem, which is Islamic and middle eastern in Origen. It is not racist to be wary of accepting large numbers of refugees from that part of the world. Or from any part of the world. The answer to conflict elsewhere can't default to "ship the people to the US."

 

Lastly, school shootings and Islamic terrorism are not closely related.

[TheLeviathan]

I'm still confused what the actual argument was - it used a phony stat and poor racial phrasing that further muddled it.

 

Was it a poorly formed attempt to argue that there isn't enough backlash in the Arab world to suicide bombing?

[Craig Arko]

Accusations of racism are rarely productive, and often unfair.

It's not racist to accept there is a world terrorism problem, which is Islamic and middle eastern in Origen. It is not racist to be wary of accepting large numbers of refugees from that part of the world. Or from any part of the world. The answer to conflict elsewhere can't default to "ship the people to the US."

Lastly, school shootings and Islamic terrorism are not closely related.

Although the victims of each are just as dead.

[mikecgrimes]

 

I'm still confused what the actual argument was - it used a phony stat and poor racial phrasing that further muddled it.

Was it a poorly formed attempt to argue that there isn't enough backlash in the Arab world to suicide bombing?

 

You don't seem very confused.  By the way I better edit my stat.  More then 99.8% of white people don't support school shootings.  Enough people have questioned it that it is clear that many think a heck of a lot of white people support school shootings, I find that disgusting but oh well.

[Squirrel]

 

You don't seem very confused.  By the way I better edit my stat.  More then 99.8% of white people don't support school shootings.  Enough people have questioned it that it is clear that many think a heck of a lot of white people support school shootings, I find that disgusting but oh well.

 

What is your source for this stat? I, personally, would like to read which article or study it comes from to get a better understanding how/why it was formulated and how it will be used. And, from another personal standpoint, I think it's horrible that it isn't 100%. (But I guess that would account for the shooters themselves, who obviously are in favor of school shootings.) And, in such an event, a school shooting, I would think the stat should read that 100% of all humanity (not just whites) should not only not support it, but be absolutely horrified at school shootings. So, I'm curious from which study/article this came from, and what was the purpose of such of study. If it so clearly stated that such a percentage of white people are against school shootings, what is the percentage of other races and ethnic groups who also do not support school shootings? And why the need for the author or researcher to separate this into race/ethnicity? I just find this curious, is all, and want to know more about the origins of this stat.

[DaveW]

What about Klingons? Could you be more specific?

may I remind you sir, you are ON the record here.

[DaveW]

I would argue that a good number of politicians and people don't truly care about school shootings, the NRA clearly don't care as every time one happens they come out guns blazing to defend the right to bear arms before the bodies are even cold. Politicians, Yeah they may "say" they care, but if you refuse to change anything or actually look into the problem, do you really care?

[Brock Beauchamp]

What is your source for this stat? I, personally, would like to read which article or study it comes from to get a better understanding how/why it was formulated and how it will be used. And, from another personal standpoint, I think it's horrible that it isn't 100%. (But I guess that would account for the shooters themselves, who obviously are in favor of school shootings.) And, in such an event, a school shooting, I would think the stat should read that 100% of all humanity (not just whites) should not only not support it, but be absolutely horrified at school shootings. So, I'm curious from which study/article this came from, and what was the purpose of such of study. If it so clearly stated that such a percentage of white people are against school shootings, what is the percentage of other races and ethnic groups who also do not support school shootings? And why the need for the author or researcher to separate this into race/ethnicity? I just find this curious, is all, and want to know more about the origins of this stat.

If one wants to be snarky about it, one could say that out of various American races, white people are some of the people least against school shootings because white people shoot up schools more often than most other races, relatively speaking.

 

Asians? Hell, now they're against school shootings. Virtual 100% lock.

 

Go, Asians!

 

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[Mike Sixel]

I can't believe we are arguing over whether or not people are pro or anti school shootings. But, just like any good rhetorical argument, it has distracted us from discussing something that actually is real.....No one is pro school shooting. There, can we stop discussing that now?

[RichardMcBeef]

 

If one wants to be snarky about it, one could say that out of various American races, white people are some of the people least against school shootings because white people shoot up schools more often than most other races, relatively speaking.
 
Asians? Hell, now they're against school shootings. Virtual 100% lock.
 
Go, Asians!

 

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s179/Twotimesdown/asian.gif

Might want to check your math there. Asians have been involved in school shootings as well. A better argument would be to say Timberwolves fans are 100% against school shootings because none of them have committed school shootings.

 

 

 

/sarcasm

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

Might want to check your math there. Asians have been involved in school shootings as well. A better argument would be to say Timberwolves fans are 100% against school shootings because none of them have committed school shootings.

What about the Timberwolves themselves?

 

I feel we're only dancing around the real issue here. What I need to know is whether NBA players are against school shootings.

[twinsnorth49]

 

Actually I think gun rights transcend parties also and is an issue where America needs to have some serious conversations rather than assigning blame. So maybe I just view things differently, but I understand how both of these things get assigned to the Republican Party. Again I think we agree on the issue at hand of what should/needs to be done so I think we shouldn't get caught up on this nuance.

I'm not an American but I've been following this thread regularly. The bolded sentence pretty much sums up my thoughts on everything……….. not just guns.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

What about the Timberwolves themselves?

 

I feel we're only dancing around the real issue here. What I need to know is whether NBA players are against school shootings.

Active NBA players or all players retired and active?