Nolasco to have MRI

[TheLeviathan]

 

May is coming up. 

 

http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2015/04/10/twinsights-trevor-may-set-to-join-twins-rotation/

 

Thank god.

[Mike Sixel]

 

May is coming up. 

 

http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2015/04/10/twinsights-trevor-may-set-to-join-twins-rotation/

 

Yay.

[TheLeviathan]

 

At best, you have one guy on the too slow side (Meyer) and another on the too fast side (Hicks).  This gets thrown around all the time here.  

 

It continues to be my opinion that the Twins have two different philosophies of promotion for hitters vs. pitchers.  They have been very aggressive advancing hitters but bordering on ridiculous in their pace with pitchers.

 

I have no explanation for it, but it certainly seems like a philosophical belief within the organization.

[jokin]

 

May is coming up. 

 

http://blogs.twincities.com/twins/2015/04/10/twinsights-trevor-may-set-to-join-twins-rotation/

 

That's a start, perhaps pitching against Sale on Sunday?

 

The next step is to 60-day Nolasco.

[tobi0040]

 

Actually, it would be 7 wins, and Vegas and most pundits see the Twins going backwards in wins this year, not forward.  Merely "above .500" would be fringe contention, kind of like the role the White Sox hope to attain this season (with two and a half Ace level pitchers and one potential Ace about to get called up)- and if the Twins finish around 70 wins this year, you would be asking for an 11 game improvement in 2016, just to reach .500.  

 

IMO-  you're expecting too many holes to be successfully plugged and too many prospects that would have to hit the ground running in 2016 to be optimistic enough to think the Twins can compete next year.

 

It would not be the first time I was overly optimistic.

 

But an OF defense of Buxton, Rosario, and Arcia has to be at least two wins better than Hunter, Arcia, and Schafer/Hicks.  An OF defense of Buxton, Rosario, and Plouffe has to be 3 wins better than the same one with Arica out there (who could DH).

 

Buxton has to be a win at least better than the .600 OPS we have had in CF. 

 

Ervin is worth a win over the AAAA guys we have had.

 

If 2 of May, Meyer, and Berrios reach anywhere near where most think they will, they have to be 2-3 wins better than the AAAA guys and 5.40 ERA Nolasco or Pelfrey we had last year.

 

Between the 5-7 bullpen prospects we have, they have to be a win better than the pen we have had.

 

These seem like reasonable expectations and get us to a 7 to 9 win improvement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

I'm curious to see if Nolasco is on the 15-Day DL or if there's a bigger problem that will require surgery...

[jokin]

 

It continues to be my opinion that the Twins have two different philosophies of promotion for hitters vs. pitchers.  They have been very aggressive advancing hitters but bordering on ridiculous in their pace with pitchers.

 

I have no explanation for it, but it certainly seems like a philosophical belief within the organization.

 

More like a philosophical shortcoming.

[jokin]

 

It would not be the first time I was overly optimistic.

 

But an OF defense of Buxton, Rosario, and Arcia has to be at least two wins better than Hunter, Arcia, and Schafer/Hicks.  An OF defense of Buxton, Rosario, and Plouffe has to be 3 wins better than the same one with Arica out there (who could DH).

 

Buxton has to be a win at least better than the .600 OPS we have had in CF. 

 

Ervin is worth a win over the AAAA guys we have had.

 

If 2 of May, Meyer, and Berrios reach anywhere near where most think they will, they have to be 2-3 wins better than the AAAA guys and 5.40 ERA Nolasco or Pelfrey we had last year.

 

Between the 5-7 bullpen prospects we have, they have to be a win better than the pen we have had.

 

These seem like reasonable expectations and get us to a 7 to 9 win improvement.

 

Glass half full projections (yes, granted, you are the resident Twins optimist), and you still would fall short of 80 wins in 2016 if the Twins finish around 70 wins, which is pretty much where Vegas and the experts see the Twins in 2015.

[tobi0040]

 

Glass half full projections (yes, granted, you are the resident Twins optimist), and you still would fall short of 80 wins in 2016 if the Twins finish around 70 wins, which is pretty much where Vegas and the experts see the Twins in 2015.

 

I think these are pretty low estimates though.  I see Arcia screw up a play it seems every third game. 

 

I will also bring up prior to three days ago, 75 wins or so was kind of the TD norm.  So it is also possible that I am not over-reacting to 3 games.

[jokin]

 

I'm curious to see if Nolasco is on the 15-Day DL or if there's a bigger problem that will require surgery...

 

Nothing personal and wish nothing horrible to happen with Nolasco, but with May now coming up this weekend, it seems to be close to a given that Nolasco will go on the DL for at least 15 days. But... if it's the difference between May staying up or not, I would prefer the 60 day DL for Ricky.

[jokin]

 

I think these are pretty low estimates though.  I see Arcia screw up a play it seems every third game. 

 

Arcia appears to be Delmon-in-the-making in LF.   And he hasn't won a lot of supporters from the new coaching staff this spring.  I still love his power potential with the hitting tool, but he could very well be out of the organization by next year if they decide they need a place for Plouffe, Rosario and/or Escobar to play.

[Mike Sixel]

Trying no to think the worst for him......but May coming up scares me for Ricky's health. And, I really never want someone to be injured.

[TheLeviathan]

 

More like a philosophical shortcoming.

 

I would tend to agree.  It doesn't have to be a bad thing, but I think it is hurting the organization.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

It looks like he is arb-eligible as early as next season and he has an ERA plus of 87.

Bauer?  No.  He doesn't even have a full season of service time yet (only 158 days, according to B-Ref).  He won't be arbitration eligible until after the 2016 season.  Additionally, he won't be a free agent until after the 2020 season -- the same that May/Meyer would have been, if they had broke camp with the big club this year and didn't get sent down.

 

That said, I will also note that Bauer was one of the last draftees to sign a major league contract, back in 2011.  He was placed on the 40-man roster immediately back in 2011, using option years beginning in 2012, I believe.  So his teams had a bit more incentive to get him to MLB quickly, and he's not necessarily a good comp for May/Meyer.

[tobi0040]

 

Bauer?  No.  He doesn't even have a full season of service time yet (only 158 days, according to B-Ref).  He won't be arbitration eligible until after the 2016 season.  Additionally, he won't be a free agent until after the 2020 season -- the same that May/Meyer would have been, if they had broke camp with the big club this year and didn't get sent down.

 

That said, I will also note that Bauer was one of the last draftees to sign a major league contract, back in 2011.  He was placed on the 40-man roster immediately back in 2011, using option years beginning in 2012, I believe.  So his teams had a bit more incentive to get him to MLB quickly, and he's not necessarily a good comp for May/Meyer.

 

I was using the info on BREF, then taking a year away.  They seem to be off a year on everyone I look up.  Thanks for straightening out.

[Danchat]

"Trevor May will be recalled from Triple-A Rochester to pitch in the Twins rotation, according to a report from the Pioneer Press.

The report cites a person "with direct knowledge," and says that May likely will take Ricky Nolasco's place in the rotation."

 

Source - http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Report_Trevor_May_set_to_join_Twins_rotation041015

 

Finally, a step in the right direction for the Twins.

[big dog]

So the answer to "who wins the last starter job, Pelfrey, Milone, or May?" turns out to be

 

d.  All of the above

 

Who had that in the as the outcome in the first freaking week of the season?

[jokin]

 

So the answer to "who wins the last starter job, Pelfrey, Milone, or May?" turns out to be

 

d.  All of the above

 

Who had that in the as the outcome in the first freaking week of the season?

 

I think we knew they'd all start games sooner or later, but the Twins are now in uncharted waters- breaking their own previous records for earliest starting date for utter PItching Staff Implosion.

[jokin]

 

 

I will also bring up prior to three days ago, 75 wins or so was kind of the TD norm.  So it is also possible that I am not over-reacting to 3 games.

 

 

Not by the TD "realists", or the national experts, or most importantly, Vegas.

[KirbyHawk75]

Does anyone know the timetable for Nolasco?

[KGB]

Good to see them move quickly on this, if Nolasco is hurt give him time to heal.  Over the past few years they kept unhealthy players on the active roster too long resulting in playing with a short roster.  The way they are using pitching in the first series, you can't hold injuried players on the roster.

[jimmer]

 

Good to see them move quickly on this, if Nolasco is hurt give him time to heal.  Over the past few years they kept unhealthy players on the active roster too long resulting in playing with a short roster.  The way they are using pitching in the first series, you can't hold injuried players on the roster.

Nolasco's spot in the rotation will arrive quickly, so they had little choice but to act quickly. But yeah, true, on the rest of that.

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

They could potentially wait until Monday to officially make a move, but the rumors are loud enough that I think the official move will come after today's game is over so Trevor May can start on Saturday. They could wait and have him start Sunday, or even Monday, but regardless it sounds like May is going to take Nolasco's turns in the rotation for a couple weeks at least.

 

They haven't officially DL'd Nolasco yet, it's possible they could do something ridiculous like send down one of the relievers and call up May...

[jokin]

 

They could potentially wait until Monday to officially make a move, but the rumors are loud enough that I think the official move will come after today's game is over so Trevor May can start on Saturday. They could wait and have him start Sunday, or even Monday, but regardless it sounds like May is going to take Nolasco's turns in the rotation for a couple weeks at least.

 

They haven't officially DL'd Nolasco yet, it's possible they could do something ridiculous like send down one of the relievers and call up May...

 

Nope, according to Berardino, anyway-

 

 

"Trevor May will indeed be recalled for Monday's opener."

 

[Otto von Ballpark]

It does look like most sources are reporting Nolasco to the 15-day DL, and May starting Monday.

[tobi0040]

 

It does look like most sources are reporting Nolasco to the 15-day DL, and May starting Monday.

 

Makes sense that he at minimum needs 15 days to rest.  You can always put a guy on a 15 day, then move him to the 60 day later.

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

Cool - As long as I'm not going to have to see Stauffer start the home opener, I'm all set. I was hoping Hughes would get pushed to Monday, but Trevor May is a nice consolation!

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

It's starting to taste like lemonade!----keep adding sugar.

[ashbury]

 

I'm curious to see if Nolasco is on the 15-Day DL or if there's a bigger problem that will require surgery...

So are the Twins, I would bet. 15-day for now, AFAIK.

 

/ edit: as Tobi also pointed out, the 15 makes sense for the time being.

[ashbury]

 

So the answer to "who wins the last starter job, Pelfrey, Milone, or May?" turns out to be

 

d.  All of the above

 

Who had that in the as the outcome in the first freaking week of the season?

Obviously not. But in the background for all the topics about the starting rotation during spring was the likelihood that any team will use 7 or 8 starters in a season.