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2022 team is mostly set up at this point
LA Vikes Fan commented on Brandon's blog entry in Brandon's Blog
The on field lineup IS pretty well set for next season. The only issue really is choosing 6 of the following 10 actual or potential Twins for basically 6 roster positions - LF, RF, 3B, DH, and 2 bench spots (assumes we pick up a FA SS, Arraez is one of the non-assigned bench spots as a Utl, and have one C on the bench): Sano, Larnach, Rooker, Refsnyder, Cave, Astudillo, Donaldson (trade candidate), Miranda, Gordon. Nelson Cruz reunion. My prediction is we keep Sano, Donaldson, and (1) either Refsnyder or Cave as the 4th/5th OF but not both, (2) either Larnach or Rooker as the 4th/5th OF/part-time DH but not both, and (3) either Astudillo or Gordon as the Utility IF but not both, and (4) either re-sign Cruz or keep the loser of one of the other 3 battles. I say we should keep Larnach (OF/DH), Rooker (OF/DH), Refsnyder (reserve CF/OF) and Gordon (Utl IF). Love me some Cruz but he clogs up the DH position instead of us running guys through it for half days off and he hasn't hit at all for the Rays. Miranda starts 2022 in AAA and is the first injury call up. Cave is the AAA CF and comes up if Buxton is hurt. Astudillo is the odd man out. The pitching staff? Good luck with that prediction. I will be impressed if someone can give us 13 names (not unnamed FA) as the opening day pitching staff for the 2022 season and get even 11 of them correct. -
I live in LA and Simmons was a bit of a head case when he was out here. He skipped the last 10 or so games last year because he just "wasn't feeling it" with the Angels out of contention. Admittedly, those were weird times but it was very clear at that moment he wasn't coming back. Him being a head case isn't a reason to cut him. Him being a head case and having an OPS of .560 with an OPS + of 59 should be enough to at least put him on the bench and forget him. Add in that he didn't get vaccinated, got Covid, caused the team problems, and helped derail this season and it is a little surprising he's still on the team. I understand that the reason he wasn't traded is no else wanted him at the trade deadline, like at all, which should also tell us something. Frankly, he should be gone but we have no one to replace him. Kind of reminds of a certain QB... Look, there' s nothing wrong with making a choice. That's everyone's privilege (not a right in the legal sense, a privilege). There's also nothing wrong with that choice leading to a consequence in society/with your employer, etc. There is no free lunch. When you make a choice, you also choose to live with the consequences of that choice. Cutting or benching Simmons because he isn't vaccinated and posts weird stuff on the internet is probably too severe of a consequence. Cutting or benching Simmons because he can't hit water if he fell out of a boat, has declined from a great to an above average infielder, the team needs to play guys to see if they have next year's SS anywhere in the system, and because he isn't vaccinated and posts weird stuff on the internet is not too severe a consequence. MLB is like most employers; the more valuable you are the more outside BS the Club will tolerate, the less valuable you are the less outside BS the Club will tolerate. Simmons is not very valuable right now.
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Game Score: Twins 1, White Sox 0
LA Vikes Fan replied to Andrew Thares's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I completely agree that his year is about evaluating guys. I've been saying that since late May. I just disagree on Rooker and think it's time to move on and evaluate others. He's overmatched and we haven't seen anything that suggests he'll improve. He's getting worse over time. I think we have seen enough to know that he isn't yet ready to compete on the MLB level at the plate. He doesn't provide defensive value so if he doesn't hit, he has no place. Let's keep in mind he hit some but wasn't exactly tearing up AAA before he came up - .239/.362/.546 with 80 SOs in 218 ABs (36%). He got promoted based upon his age and draft position, not so much on his AAA performance. He's probably out as the guy who goes when Buxton is activated. Until then, at least move him down to 7th or 8th in the order. Give the team a chance to be successful. I would bring up Miranda and give him those ABs. Contreras is interesting but we need a RH bat. Miranda has played some OF and his initial shot in the majors is probably on a Utility basis since we have Donaldson, then Arraez, then Sano to play 3B and 2B is taken by Polanco. I say let's see if Miranda can hit MLB pitching. We have to protect him after this year so let's see what we got. Drop Derek Law from the 40 man if we need to. I agree that we need to evaluate guys this year. That doesn't mean we run with them long term if they aren't successful after an opportunity. I just think Rooker has had his shot now twice this year, hasn't hit, and it's time for someone else. Also, let's not worry about a guy leaving and being successful elsewhere. That happens to every team and sometime guys have to leave, and change or get different coaching to be successful. Juan Minaya looks great this year - much better than when he was on the White Sox. That's not because the Twins are brilliant and the White Sox are dummies with relief pitchers because it also goes the other way. Some times it's just situational or coaching approach or frankly, just maturity or blind luck. the only thing we should care about is does the player help us? Right now, Rooker does not and he's getting worse over time, not better, so it's hard to make a case that he will help us in the future. Time for a re-set. Keep the line moving. Miranda is next in that line.- 50 replies
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Twins Minor League Report (8/11): Who Didn’t Homer?
LA Vikes Fan replied to Ted Schwerzler 's topic in Twins Minor League Talk
Great update, Ted. I find myself reading the Minor League update almost every day this season. Quick question. Are you going to update the top 20 prospect list to add any of Ryan, Strotman, Martin, etc.? It would be fun to see where they would fit on the list and make it easier to track their progress.- 17 replies
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Game Score: Twins 1, White Sox 0
LA Vikes Fan replied to Andrew Thares's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I think they moved Arraez out of the leadoff spot because they want him to be in a spot where he can drive in runs. We're pretty weak in the middle of the order with Donaldson always day to day, Sano streaky or awful, and Garver not playing every day. We should probably remember that the 2-6 middle of lineup this year was intended to be Buxton, Polanco. Cruz, Kirilloff and Donaldson. Only one of those guys now actually is on the team and plays every day. Arraez is the only other player who hits well enough to stay in the middle of the order. Having said that, leading off Kepler makes no sense to me either except that I don't really see anyone else out there other than Arraez and Polanco and they need to hit 3 and 4 or 5. Refsynder could lead off against LH pitching, but Sano, Cave Larnach and Simmons aren't really good enough to lead off vs, RH pitching. I'm not really sure who you put there unless you call up Miranda from AAA or Martin from AA. Hmmm, there's an idea..... As for Rooker, I'm pretty much done. He can't hit well enough yet to be on the MLB roster. Time to recognize that and give someone else the opportunity. Or maybe he gets a few more days of 4-5 ABs and then gets optioned when Buxton is ready. Hmmm, another interesting idea...- 50 replies
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Game Score: Twins 1, White Sox 0
LA Vikes Fan replied to Andrew Thares's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Help me guys. I had knee replacement surgery and they gave me opioids for the pain so I may be seeing things that aren't really there. I think the Twins just won 2 straight low scoring games against a 100 win team starting ... Griffin Jax and Bailey Ober? Really? Both saved by Alex Colome? With 6.2 scoreless relief innings from 5 or 6 different guys? Wow, either things have changed or these are really good drugs...- 50 replies
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I see Rooker being left off of the 40 man roster in the offseason unless he shows a lot more at the plate in the last roughly 50 games. Frankly I think that's why he's playing so much because we need to make a decision on him v. the younger pitching on the 40 man. My guess is Rooker loses out and that another team is intrigued enough to pick him up.
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Game Score: Twins 4, White Sox 3
LA Vikes Fan replied to Jamie Cameron's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I'm amazed that JAx actually looks like a legit MLB starter, but I have to admit that he does. Never would have guessed that. I've been on the "why Tortuga on this team" wagon and I have to admit he has shown value as the 25th or 26th guy on a roster. Not a starter but worth having around. To me, the big news other that Jax has been Gant and Colome's recent stretch . Gant looks like the real deal. If he is real and Colome is back to where he was in 2016-2020 we actually are up to 4 pretty good relievers for next year with Rogers and Duffy. Still need to find 3-4 more but that's a lot less than I thought we would need. -
Simmons needs to go but we're kidding ourselves if we think the Twins will spend the money for Baez, Seeger, or Correa. This team will spend it's money on pitching and either move Polanco back to SS or sign a Freddy Galvis / Jose Iglesias stop gap SS for next year. I think it's telling that Simmons is still playing SS every day with Polanco at 2B. That tells me that the Twins have already decided that they are not going back to Polanco at SS next year and that Gordon isn't a SS option. Otherwise, we'd use the rest of this year for Polanco and/or Gordon to play SS and see if either can play the position well enough to be the SS next year. Get ready for a filler again next year while we wait for Lewis, Palacios or Martin to come up longer term.
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In Defense of the Twins Front Office
LA Vikes Fan replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I agree with most of this (not all), but I particularly agree with the Beau Burrows comment. There seems top be a reluctance to admit an honest mistake and move on. I understand picking him up, I really DON"T understand keeping him on the roster. We need to pick these guys up, evaluate them, and cut bait when we're wrong. Hopefully he's been DFA'd by the time you read this. I wonder if part of the issue is ego or that they're trying not to bring guys up in a bad year and pick up an extra year of control. I hope that's not it because that strikes me a mistake. THIS is the evaluation year. Use it. I have to also wonder a little about those who are suggesting that Terry Ryan was/would have been/could have been as good as the current FO. I just think that flies n the face of reality. This franchise was going nowhere fast when these guys took over. There was little to no chance of improvement. Now we have improved and I think in a way that never would have occurred with Ryan. He was great in the 90s and early 200s, lousy when he came back. He didn't keep up with analytical and technological trends and the team fell behind. We needed new blood. Now, the new FO may not be the long term answer. I get that. Suggesting that they haven't been a huge improvement just doesn't make sense to me. -
Week in Review: New-Look Rotation
LA Vikes Fan replied to Nick Nelson's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
Fun week, and I agree there are a couple more moves to make as we evaluate this group. Pitching wise, get Ryan up to take Barnes' place when he's back from the Olympics. Put Thorpe in the bullpen when he's ready. We need to see if he can be effective because he's in his last option year. I would also try to find a way to give Gant a few starts. He's been very effective as a reliever, was a starter and wants to start. Let's see if he can. Worst case scenario, he's in the bullpen next year (still amazed at the trade for him). I also think we need to give Hamilton and Moran a shot in the bullpen. They can take the place of Burrows and Coulombe. I disagree with the posters who want to release Colome. He's been effective for the last two months and we need a back end guy with Rogers on the IL for the rest of the year. Use 2021 to evaluate him We may need him next year. In the field, I think everybody we need to see is already up with the possible exception of Miranda and he's only a Donaldson IL stint from being needed. I suspect they'll keep him and Martin in the minors so the don't have to make a 40 man roster move by releasing someone else and also not burn an option year since they're both in the 23 and under range.- 37 replies
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Interesting. Question: Would it make sense that one's barrel rate would go down when the strikeout % went down? The thinking is that instead of missing certain pitches, the hitter makes weak contact thus dropping the barrel %. I'd be curious is there's any information correlating the two measures. BTW, I would say weak contact is much better than no contact since it increases the possibility of a productive out. I think the Twins are going to have a very interesting set of decisions after this year that could really effect Sano. There's basically at least 5 or 6 players fighting for 4 starting spots at IB, LF, RF and DH - Sano, Kepler, Kirilloff, Larnach, and Rooker. I would add in Donaldson since it looks like he can't play more than 80-100 games at 3B so he'll need 30-50 games at DH. Minimum. I wouldn't be surprised is Donaldson and Arraez basically share 3B next year and, if the Twins keep Polanco at 2b (seems like the right move given this year), those two will likely split the majority of ABs at 3B and DH. In effect, there may only be 3 starting spots for those 5, and that's before we think about re-signing Cruz, Refsnyder as more than a bench option (unlikely), or bringing up Miranda or Contreras. The other thing is that none of these guys offer much as a bench option other than Kepler or Refsnyder. Hard to see keeping Sano around if he isn't getting 450-500 ABs a year. I agree that Sano is what he is - high power, high strikeout guy who plays below average defense outside of 1b and is barely average there. A .775-.825 OPS guy with 30 plus HRs and 150-200 strikeouts in 500-550 ABs. Not bad, but not great considering his lack of defense and baserunning. Hard to see where he fits in if he really loses the 1B job to Kiriloff, even harder if Donaldson or Cruz needs near full time work at DH. Sano only really works in three scenarios. One is if we move Polanco to SS, give 2B to Arraez, and have Sano DH 100 games a year, play 1B 20-25 and 3B 15-20. Hurts the middle infield defense. The second is if Kirilloff goes to the OF, and either Kepler goes to the bench or Larnach and Rooker go back to AAA with Resnyder/Cave/Garlick the 4th and 5th OFs. The third is that he or one of the other competitors is traded. I don't think any of these is the plan. It will be interesting to see what transpires with Sano and, for that matter, Kepler. Kirilloff and Larnach are here to stay and Rooker is either with them or gone. I don't think we will keep all 5 at the MLB level.
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Let's Realign the Divisions to Create Regional Rivalries
LA Vikes Fan commented on LA Vikes Fan's blog entry in LA Vikes Fan
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NIck Gordon Sent to AAA - Is He a Long Term Player?
LA Vikes Fan commented on LA Vikes Fan's blog entry in LA Vikes Fan
I agree that the key for Gordon is who plays SS. Polanco has earned an every day spot at either 2B or SS. Frankly, he's our best payer this year. Arraez needs to play regularly, although the where is a little less important. I think the choice is pretty clear - offense or defense? If we keep Simmons or sign a FA SS we will have better infield defense because Polanco is a decent 2B defensively and Arraez isn't really great defensively anywhere so he either becomes the utility guy at 2b, 3B, 1B and LF or starts in the OF. I don't think he can start in the OF because of his knee issues. He'll still get 400-500 ABS a year. Under that scenario, probably no room for Gordon long term. Better defense, lesser offense. If we go the other way and play Polanco at SS, there is room for Gordon IF he can play SS. Arraez plays second, and Gordon gets 300 ABs filling in at 2B and at SS. Or, if Donaldson is traded or becomes a nearly full time DH, Arraez plays 3B a lot, Gordon either backs up Polanco at 2B and a new SS or plays 2B with Polanco at SS. This is the least likely scenario to me because then there's no room for Cruz coming back, or for Sano to play regularly. If Polanco moves to SS and Donaldson plays 3B 100 games a year (the rest at DH), better offense, lesser defense. My guess is that Polanco goes back to SS because Simmons won't be re-signed and we won't pay the prices to get a good FA SS. Under that scenario, there's a place for Gordon but ONLY if he can competently play SS 20-30 games a year. I read that Rocco said they've told the Saints that they want Gordon playing a lot at SS and 3B so I think this is the scenario in play. -
Let's Realign the Divisions to Create Regional Rivalries
LA Vikes Fan posted a blog entry in LA Vikes Fan
I really like the realignment idea assuming we're going to a universal DH. I made this a comment elsewhere but I also thought I'd also post this as a separate blog. Here's my proposal for realignment. I know it's fantasy but hey, it's the dog days of summer so why not? 5 divisions, not 6. 12 teams in the playoffs, The top 2 in each division plus two remaining teams teams with best records make the playoffs so there is a reward for being a little better than average. Four best records get byes while the other 8 play 3 games series down to 4. Lots of playoff games; TV loves it. The remaining 8 teams (4 with byes plus 4 first round winners) re-seed by record, not location. During the regular season you play all of the teams in three of the other four divisions 6 times each, 3 at home, 3 away. That's 108 games (6 times 18 - 6 teams in each division). You play the remaining games in your division. You play 11 games each year against your 5 division opponents, except one only 10 times, for 54 games, total 162. Alternatively, add a game and rotate the unbalanced 81 home/82 away schedules in each division. You could rotate through the division the one team that you "only" play 10 times and you'll have to rotate each year which team gets the extra home game, 2 you get the extra, 2 your opponent, to balance the schedule. Division are by location to create/enhance rivalries: West Coast Division - San Diego, LA Angels, LA Dodgers, San Francisco, Oakland/Vegas, Seattle Southwest/Rocky Mountain Division - Houston, Texas (Dallas), Arizona, Kansas City, St. Louis, Colorado (Denver) Midwest Division - Chicago Cubs, Chicago White Sox, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Detroit, Pittsburg or Toronto (bummer that Twins are in a different time zone, but couldn't figure out a way to fix that) Southeast Division - Miami, Tampa Bay, Atlanta, Washington, Cincinnati, Cleveland or Baltimore (depends on whether you want the Ohio or Beltway rivalry) Northeast Division - Boston, NY Yankees, NY Mets, Philadelphia, Pittsburg or Toronto, Cleveland or Baltimore You rotate through the other divisions in the regular season. One year, the Twins play the Northeast, Southeast and Southwest, next year the Southeast, Southwest, West Coast, next year the Southwest, West Coast, Northeast, etc. That away the existing rivalries that are being broken up still play 6 games against each other 3 out of every 4 years like the Cubs and Cardinals. Those will fade over time; the Cubs new hated rival will be the White Sox, the Cards, the Royals. What do you guys think? -
NIck Gordon Sent to AAA - Is He a Long Term Player?
LA Vikes Fan commented on LA Vikes Fan's blog entry in LA Vikes Fan
I agree with this post. I think Astudillo is the classic the 27th or 28th man on a 26 man roster that you stash at AAA to be called up as injury insurance until he runs out of options, and then you sign to a series of one year minor league contracts unless he finds a better offer someplace else. -
NIck Gordon Sent to AAA - Is He a Long Term Player?
LA Vikes Fan commented on LA Vikes Fan's blog entry in LA Vikes Fan
I think you're probably right, although I wonder if he isn't in a competition with Astudillo, Cave, Refsnyder, Garlick, etc. for the 25th or 26 spot on the roster next year. I thought it was interesting that he was chosen to go down so Refsnyder could come up rather than Astudillo who I think still has options. I believe Cave would have to have been DFA' d so I kind of understand why he would be kept on the major-league roster. Having said that, I don't see that Cave is likely to be on the team next year assuming all of the other OFs are healthy at the beginning of the year. It seems like Cave would be behind Buxton, Kepler, Larnach, and Rooker at least, and that's not counting a guy like Refsnyder or Garlick, both of whom outperformed Cave before they got hurt. It sure seems like Cave's 40 man spot at least is in jeopardy over the off-season given the number of pitching prospects we will probably want to protect. -
NIck Gordon Sent to AAA - Is He a Long Term Player?
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I see Nick Gordon has been sent down and Refsnyder brought up. I understand the logic; Gordon has been hitting around .200 with no walks or power for the last month and Refsnyder was hot earlier before he got hurt. We're evaluating both for 2022. My question is what does everyone see for Gordon going forward? Given his play this year, do you think the Twins need to keep him on the 40 man roster or could He survive the Rule 5 draft? Do you see a long term future for him with the Twins? We could use the 40 man spot but I am concerned about losing him in the draft since he would be easy for a losing team to stash for a season. -
We often comment on whether current Twins are good, average or bad hitters by using OPS. The problem I see is we're using a broad average for everyone not broken down by position. I looked around the Internet and found an article in ScoreSheetWiz where the author had taken the average of the top 30 players in each position over the last 3 years and averaged their OPS. That should give you what the average starter in MLB does at that position by taking out emergency fill ins, utility players, etc. and sounds like a good basis for comparison. Here's the comparison to current Twins, based on their performance for this season to date. I've also put their career OPS in parenthesis with the YTD comparison where they'd been around long enough to make that meaningful. The positions go from lowest to highest by MLB average OPS. Position Average OPS Current Twin OPS/(Career) Difference Catcher .748 Garver .889 (.834) Plus .151 (+ .86) Jeffers .720 Minus .028 Shortstop .749 Simmons .576 (.688) Minus .173 (-.061) Second Base .763 Polanco .797 (.774) Plus .034 (+.011) Centerfield .777 Buxton 1.176 (.751) Plus .409 (-.026) Kepler .759 Minus .018 Third Base .805 Donaldson .840 (.875) Plus .035 (+.070) Arraez .747 (.793) Minus .058 (-.012) Corner OF .819 Kepler .722 (.759) Minus .097 (-060) Larnach .676 Minus .143 Rooker .750 Minus .069 First Base .859 Kirilloff .722 Minus .137 Sano .746 (.819) Minus .113 (-.040) I thought this was kind of interesting and helps explain where our holes are forward. For example, Arraez is a below average hitting starter this year either at 3rd or left-field, about average in 2nd base, but career wise above average at 2nd base, average at 3rd, and below average for corner outfield. Since he adds no surplus defensive value, he really needs to OPS >.800 if he's not going to play 2nd base. Kepler is a little tougher to evaluate since his bat is clearly significantly below average for a corner outfielder, and a little below average for centerfielder, but he does offer surplus defensive value in a corner outfield spots, not so much centerfield. That's why I think is an ideal 3rd or 4th outfielder, but not 1 of our top 2. The 2 Rookies are way below average but this is their 1st year so you hope for improvement and it's a small sample size. Same for Kirilloff. Sano is also a below average hitting starter at 1st Base who doesn't offer any surplus defensive value. I didn't bother with guys like Jake Cave (.508 (.735)) or Willians Astudillo (.721 (.738)) since they are way below an average starter unless they play shortstop, and even then they're not very strong. Both are classic back end roster filler and we should be looking for upgrades like Gordon, Refsnyder and others. I do think this helps explain why we're having trouble scoring runs. We only have 3 above average hitters for their position now that Cruz is gone, Donaldson, Polanco and Garver, and only Polanco really plays every day. Most days we're liable to only have 2 players who are average or better hitters for their position. The batting order is really weighed down by poor performance at the corner outfield spots, centerfield when Buxton isn't there (even worse when someone other than Kepler is playing centerfield), and shortstop. I guess this tells me 4 things 1st, re-sign Buxton. He is critical to the order. 2nd, I was wrong about Donaldson. He is pretty valuable at the plate and Arraez is not an adequate replacement. 3rd, we need better hitting corner outfielders and Kepler is not the answer. The current strategy of playing Rooker and Larnach every day is the right one because those guys have to improve to give us more balance in the order. 4th, Arraez is probably best used as a utility player with Polanco the better hitter and better fielder at 2nd base. He's a good utility player, more of an average hitter for a starter, and we can get him 400 – 500 bats to utilize his on-base skills by playing him at a variety of spots. We talk a lot about how the pitching has to improve to truly contend. I postulate the lineup has to improve as well. I think most contending have average or better hitters for their positions in at least 5 or 6 of the 9 spots. We have 4 if you assume that someone like that Cruz is the DH, a position where I was unable to find an average OPS. otherwise 3. The current lineup isn't good enough to compete and absolutely isn't good enough if the pitching is below average. Helps explain this year's performance and helps us know what we need to do for next year.
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Polanco can and shold be a team leader. He's is a key part of the core going forward along with Buxton, Kirilloff, Donaldson, and maybe Arraez. Sano and/or Kepler/ Who knows. Can be anywhere from bench guy/4th of to middle of the order bat DH (Sano) and 6th place hitter (Kepler). Here's what we got, assuming we re-sign Buxton (absolute necessity) - 1B - Kiriloff 2B - Polanco SS - ???!!! 3B - Donaldson/Arraez UTL - Arraez, Gordon. Infield - Bottom line, need a Shortstop. Bad. Rest pretty decent. Probably strongest group on the team. OF - Buxton, ?????, Kepler/Larnach/Rooker Outfield - Bottom line, need that 2nd quality OF. Bad. Maybe it can be Larnach or Rooker. Kepler is a 3rd/4th OF now, unlikely to step up farther after this many years. SP - ???, ???, Maeda, Pineda (if re-signed), ??? (Ober, Jax. Barnes, Dobnak) Starting Pitching - Ugly. Maeda and Pineda can hold down the 3/4 spots, the other 4 should give us a 5th starter and maybe another 4th starter type. Need 2 top end guys pretty badly. RP - Rogers, Duffy, Alcala, 4-5 x ????? (Coloumbe, Theilbar) Bullpen - Need 4 to 5 guys for next year. Coloumbe might be one of them, Theilbar has a shot at a back of the bullpen spot. After that, it's a complete crapshoot/nightmare. Bring up the AAA guys and start sorting through them. Not looking so rosy. Hope help is really on the way from below.
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While I disagree with you on Ober, you have a good point on the 40 man roster. I took a look and really the only guys I see that we can and perhaps should drop to give other guys a shot in the majors are Beau Burrows (the early results show the Tigers knew what they were doing) and the 30 year olds Luke Farrell and Derek Law. We could also drop Jake Cave and Kyle Garlick, although Garlick is on the 60 day IL so I guess dropping him doesn't create another spot. It will be a challenge to find room for to add guys so they can come up this year. Am I correct that a player has to be on the 40 man roster to be eligible to be on the MLB 26 man roster?
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Right on brother! Let's not let ourselves get so desperate for a Berrios replacement that we judge all of the new SP candidates with that lens. They are all going to struggle initially before they improve. Ober is actually on a good course compared to most, so while Ii think he should go 6 innings a start for fewer starts rather tan 4-5 for more, I don't want to lose sight of the fact that he may be developing into a solid 4/5 starter as early as next year. And that's a very good thing. By the way, Jax has actually looked better than at least I expected this early. Is it possible that our AA/AAA pitching development folks are actually competent? We'll see as the next wave comes up but the early returns are better than I expected. Now let's see some of the mid 20s bullpen guys. Like NOW.
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I hear you but that doesn't help us evaluate for next year unless the Twins have already decided he's a bullpen arm next year. The job for a guy who can throw up to 75-80 pitches but no more is Long Reliever, not starting pitcher. Nothing wrong with that but I say let's find out while we can in an uncompetitive year, not next year when we're hoping to compete.
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Guys, I think Ober's development is clearly a success. He's getting better every start and showing signs of being a consistent back end starter - 4 or 5 spot. Those guys do not grow on trees and are pretty valuable. Yes, he's not a #1 or #2 but that doesn't mean he isn't important. I can absolutely see him as the 4th or 5th starter at the beginning of next season. There is one thing that puzzles me. I understand that we're watching his innings but why 4-5 innings for another 10-12 starts instead of 6 plus innings for another 7-8 starts? that's what we need next year - starters that can go 6 plus innings. Let's see if he can be one of those guys and whether he can navigate that 3rd time through the lineup. Yes, that mans shutting him down in early September but that might be a good thing. We have a lot of potential starters to evaluate THIS YEAR - Ober, Jax, Barnes, Ryan, Winder, Thorpe, Balazovic, at the very least. Leave a few starts for those guys. run piggy back starts - e.g., Jax as long as he can go followed by Barnes hopefully to the end of the game - but get these guys on the mound and find out if they're ready for the big time. Commit to the re-tool NOW, don't waste this year.

