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    Injury Concerns Are (Sigh) Already Mounting for the Twins


    Nick Nelson

    We're approaching the 10-day countdown to the season opener and things are not trending well in a variety of critical areas.

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    Let's start with the good news: Byron Buxton seems to be healthy and on track for the start of the season. Even though he has yet to play in a major-league spring training game, the club's conservative approach to ramping him up seems like it's going according to plan. 

    He's getting enough action on the side fields and in minor-league games to sharpen his skills and find his timing, while the Twins are mostly keeping his workload light until the meaningful action begins. 

    So that's good. Elsewhere, the recent news has been less encouraging.

    We'll start with Jorge Polanco, who's been handled in a similar fashion to Buxton this spring despite much vaguer circumstances. 

    We know Buxton was bothered by a knee issue throughout the 2022 season, and underwent surgery to address it in the offseason. Even beyond that, it makes sense to limit exposure for a player who so frequently gets hurt while on the field, and who doesn't seem to need much traditional preparation to find his groove. 

    Polanco, on the other hand, is a much more perplexing situation. We know he suffered a knee injury last August and that it was deemed relatively minor at the time. He repeatedly tried to return to the field but couldn't make it back before the end of the campaign. Polanco reportedly spent much of his offseason rehabbing the knee, but there's never been a sense this spring that he was physically right. Unfortunately, that's now been confirmed.

    On Sunday, Derek Falvey finally acknowledged to reporters that Polanco is doubtful for Opening Day

    "He hasn’t been able to do all the leg activities and all the legwork and all the running and all the strength and conditioning stuff that everybody would at this stage, so some of it’s just responding to where he is from a timing standpoint," Falvey said. "Obviously, the calendar plays a role now as we get closer and closer to Opening Day."

    While it's entirely possible the Twins were trying to do the right thing all along here – they might have genuinely thought Polanco was in a decent place at the start of camp, and that a slow ramp-up would get him to where he needed to be – and it simply hasn't played out as hoped. 

    But with the way things went last year, this is definitely a foreboding development that will make it difficult for fans to trust what they're hearing from the team when it comes to updating on their myriad health concerns.

    Polanco is among three of the four projected starting infielders for the Twins this year who've yet to play an official spring inning at their position. José Miranda has been limited by shoulder soreness which has prevented him from getting much-needed reps at third base, although he does seem (hopefully) close to turning a corner. Meanwhile Alex Kirilloff's status remains in doubt as he works back from a second wrist surgery.

    Just days earlier, Falvey had characterized Kirilloff as – between Buxton, Polanco, and himself – "probably the one that’s a little bit behind our schedule." Now he's flip-flopped the latter two. From the current view, it's difficult to read this as anything other than: we should not expect AK or Polo to be ready for the start of the season.

    On the bright side, Kirilloff did seem to take an important step forward this past week. In a minor-league game on Saturday, he played four innings defensively at first base, and went 0-for-2 at the plate. Getting action in a real game, even on the minors side, is a key milestone for the 25-year-old and theoretically gives him at least a shot at being ready for Opening Day. I wouldn't bet on it though.

    Ironically, Kirilloff was involved with another injury scare on Sunday. While facing Jhoan Durán, he smashed a line drive back up the middle that hit the top reliever in the leg. Ted Schwerzler, observing the action in Fort Myers, tweeted that Durán was "walking gingerly" before departing the field on his own power and riding a golf cart back to the complex.

    Hopefully nothing to worry about. These things happen, and typically don't amount to much more than a bruise. (That thankfully appears to be the case here.) But for Kirilloff, of all people, to accidentally peg Durán, whose ability to stay healthy for all of 2022 was one of the season's most pleasant surprises, is a cosmic twist of cruel irony. 

    Speaking of which, the injury news didn't stop there on Sunday (bloody Sunday). Max Kepler exited the Twins' exhibition game against Atlanta with "left hip tightness." If that sounds familiar, the outfielder also dealt with hip issues during an injury-riddled conclusion to last year. 

    Very possibly this is all much ado about nothing (or little). Opening Day is still a week-and-a-half away, and it would be drastic to assume the worst with any of these developing scenarios, let alone more unsubstantiated anxieties like Tyler Mahle's velocity or Kenta Maeda's spring results.

    At the same time, can Twins fans be blamed for doing just that? More good news would be eagerly welcomed.

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    23 minutes ago, Schmoeman5 said:

    Define a casual fan. Is a casual fan a person who goes to opening day and then disappears until mid September if they're in a potential division title run and goes to playoff games. 

    I’d say a casual fan isn’t someone who participates on a baseball website and doesn’t really pay attention to who’s injured and who’s not, maybe knows a few of the players’ names and likes to go to a few games a year. And yeah, will get hyped because ‘their team’ is in a playoff run or in the playoffs but doesn’t really pay attention overly much to the getting there. They might check the standings but really don’t understand what they mean other than which team is currently on top.

    2 hours ago, Mike Sixel said:

    Are you suggesting the Twins aren't trying to get ready for the year? People really over analyze every detail. It's mine boggling really. And they seem to assume the twins are always doing stuff wrong. 

    Really? Did I say they were doing it wrong? What I was trying to point out is that Twins starters are still be limited (not Maeda in this case, but I didn't say did I?) or haven't been good and the Braves are getting their pitchers ready for good long starts to start the season.

    This topic is about injuries and them mounting no? The Twins are supposed to have 6 above average or betters starters, correct? Yet in the last 8 games they have had a bullpen game, two Sanchez starts, a Dobnak start, Ober 3 innings,  Ryan 4+ innings, Mahle (2) and Maeda be bad. Are you trying to tell me this isn't a relative comment to this topic?

    4 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    Really? Did I say they were doing it wrong? What I was trying to point out is that Twins starters are still be limited (not Maeda in this case, but I didn't say did I?) or haven't been good and the Braves are getting their pitchers ready for good long starts to start the season.

    This topic is about injuries and them mounting no? The Twins are supposed to have 6 above average or betters starters, correct? Yet in the last 8 games they have had a bullpen game, two Sanchez starts, a Dobnak start, Ober 3 innings,  Ryan 4+ innings, Mahle (2) and Maeda be bad. Are you trying to tell me this isn't a relative comment to this topic?

    I still don't get your point. Are they not getting ready, or doing it wrong? Or do you think everyone is hurt? I don't understand, and that's on me...

    I'm not worried about effectiveness at all, as I view the last year or three as much more predictive (other than injury) of how good they are (Ryan, Ober and Mahle). 

    2 hours ago, chpettit19 said:

    Yeah, I'm confused by the idea. You pointed out that Fried started the 7th yesterday because the Braves are "getting ready for the season" while pointing out the Twins are "worried about protecting players." I pointed out that the Twins let Maeda throw more pitches than Fried did yesterday. The Twins are also "getting ready for the season." Yes, they have some players who are being managed a little different (Buxton, Polanco, Kirilloff), but overall they're doing the same thing as the other teams with all the rest of their guys. So, sure, the only reason they haven't thrown more innings is because they've been bad. I don't know what you're looking for here.

    As for letting someone go into the 7th in the regular season. Ryan threw a full 7 innings last April coming off a shortened spring so I'm not too concerned about them being willing to do that if a pitcher is pitching well that day and has a reasonable pitch count.

    See my response to Mike, about starters, that could change in the last 10 days (I hope it does)

    On your last paragraph you are projecting something I did not write, I didn't say Rocco or the Twins FO wouldn't let a pitcher start the 7th I was wondering who the first would be that is good enough and stretched out enough to start the 7th this year and how long it would take. I hope if the one of the first few starts of the year, but at this time that isn't looking good at this point since Gray has pitched 1.2 innings, Lopez has pitched 2 innings and Maeda and Mahle haven't found their stuff yet. So my Guess would be Ryan again. And before you start telling me how many innings other teams are pitching their guys, I will again remind you of the topic.

    12 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    I still don't get your point. Are they not getting ready, or doing it wrong? Or do you think everyone is hurt? I don't understand, and that's on me...

    I'm not worried about effectiveness at all, as I view the last year or three as much more predictive (other than injury) of how good they are (Ryan, Ober and Mahle). 

    My point was the Twins are still pitching Dobnak, Sanchez and bullpen games while the Braves have one of their better starters being so good he started the 7th in spring training. I was hoping by this time Lopez, Gray, would be on the same path of pitching as Ryan, Maeda and Mahle (but better than them two) again this topic was about injuries not about a pitching philosophy of pitch counts, batters faced, innings usage any of that. There is a 162 game schedule and more than likely unlimited topics on this site for that.

    24 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    See my response to Mike, about starters, that could change in the last 10 days (I hope it does)

    On your last paragraph you are projecting something I did not write, I didn't say Rocco or the Twins FO wouldn't let a pitcher start the 7th I was wondering who the first would be that is good enough and stretched out enough to start the 7th this year and how long it would take. I hope if the one of the first few starts of the year, but at this time that isn't looking good at this point since Gray has pitched 1.2 innings, Lopez has pitched 2 innings and Maeda and Mahle haven't found their stuff yet. So my Guess would be Ryan again. And before you start telling me how many innings other teams are pitching their guys, I will again remind you of the topic.

    Yeah, you're missing a lot of context. Lopez was at the WBC so his inning total isn't telling at all. In fact, he did really well at the WBC. It's really hard to follow what you're asking for. Not just in this comment, but them all combined. It's about injuries, but you're worried about the performance of Fried allowing him to start the 7th. So is it about injury or number of innings or performance? Sounds like you're asking for a combination of all that, and I just think that's not the right way to look at spring training outings.

    Spring Training stats are not something that carries a lot of weight with MLB teams. It's better to have good stats than bad stats, but it's not what they're looking at. The Twins pitchers are stretched out. Mahle threw over 70 pitches his last outing. Ryan was at 62 (compared to Fried's 68). So I don't think there's anything to worry about there. Lopez threw 1 major league inning, and 6 more on the AAA field yesterday. I think you may just be trying to read into things more than I'd say should be done at this point. I'll guess Lopez as the first to get into the 7th this season, though. Or maybe Gray. Who's setup to pitch opening day I believe.

    14 hours ago, JD-TWINS said:

    Farmer - Solano - Gordon have 2B covered w/o Polanco, if necessary.

    Kiriloff seems to be hitting live pitching which I think is the big potential deterrent from him being ready Opening Day. Unless something changes, it appears he’ll be ready.

    It’s not a wasted season quite yet!

     

    If Gordon's ankle is good to go by opening day I'll feel ok, at least to start the season. If Solano and/or Farmer are getting starts at 2B for any extended amount of time I wouldn't consider 2B covered.

    Idk if Kirilloff is actually tracking to be starting at 1B on opening day either. 

    Is anybody actually arguing that the season is over?

    37 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

    If Gordon's ankle is good to go by opening day I'll feel ok, at least to start the season. If Solano and/or Farmer are getting starts at 2B for any extended amount of time I wouldn't consider 2B covered.

    Idk if Kirilloff is actually tracking to be starting at 1B on opening day either. 

    Is anybody actually arguing that the season is over?

    People have been arguing the season is over since the Gallo signing.....

    1 hour ago, KirbyDome89 said:

    If Gordon's ankle is good to go by opening day I'll feel ok, at least to start the season. If Solano and/or Farmer are getting starts at 2B for any extended amount of time I wouldn't consider 2B covered.

    Idk if Kirilloff is actually tracking to be starting at 1B on opening day either. 

    Is anybody actually arguing that the season is over?

    For a guy who has been a regular, Farmer has pretty dramatic platoon splits. He should be in the lineup against every left handed starter. Gordon also has substantial platoon splits. A platoon there until Polanco returns should happen. 
     

    Kirilloff has quite a few steps to go through given his injury history, the nature of his injury and “unproveness” of his ability IMHO. I think he has to show he can play most every day, drive the ball and play through any discomfort he might be experiencing. Can he prove all of that in ten days? I’m not sure. I still believe he can be an All-Star so I don’t want the team to give up on him. 

    44 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

    For a guy who has been a regular, Farmer has pretty dramatic platoon splits. He should be in the lineup against every left handed starter. Gordon also has substantial platoon splits. A platoon there until Polanco returns should happen. 
     

    Kirilloff has quite a few steps to go through given his injury history, the nature of his injury and “unproveness” of his ability IMHO. I think he has to show he can play most every day, drive the ball and play through any discomfort he might be experiencing. Can he prove all of that in ten days? I’m not sure. I still believe he can be an All-Star so I don’t want the team to give up on him. 

    Partially why I mentioned Gordon's ankle. Farmer killed lefties last year, his splits the previous season aren't nearly as extreme.

    I'm skeptical, but you never know. Me too, I'm on the Kirilloff hype train, full-bore, but I definitely think it's wait and see mode right now, which isn't anywhere close to being ready for opening day. I'm pretty sure there's a Hayes article in The Athletic from yesterday that casts doubt on Kirilloff's readiness. Again, it's wait and see. 

    11 minutes ago, KirbyDome89 said:

    Partially why I mentioned Gordon's ankle. Farmer killed lefties last year, his splits the previous season aren't nearly as extreme.

    I'm skeptical, but you never know. Me too, I'm on the Kirilloff hype train, full-bore, but I definitely think it's wait and see mode right now, which isn't anywhere close to being ready for opening day. I'm pretty sure there's a Hayes article in The Athletic from yesterday that casts doubt on Kirilloff's readiness. Again, it's wait and see. 

    Counting the shortened 2020 season, Farmer has an .880 OPS vs. lefties and his career OPS is .837, better than Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau vs. LHP.  I'd venture to say that the outlier on his splits was 2021.

    2 hours ago, KirbyDome89 said:

    If Gordon's ankle is good to go by opening day I'll feel ok, at least to start the season. If Solano and/or Farmer are getting starts at 2B for any extended amount of time I wouldn't consider 2B covered.

    Idk if Kirilloff is actually tracking to be starting at 1B on opening day either. 

    Is anybody actually arguing that the season is over?

    Gordon has already played in 2 games, at 2nd, since the sprain, so, I'd say he's pretty good to go. He could have a setback, but, he was cleared for all activity almost a week ago. Same with Miranda. As for Kirilloff, yeah, don't know where they've been having him play most, but I think he's been in some AAA games on the backfields at first, but haven't heard anything about the outfield. If he's on the opening day roster, it will be interesting to see where he plays; but, if Polo really starts the season on the IL and Kirilloff doesn't and goes north with the team, that means Larnach is on the team, so, I'd say then that Kirilloff will be seen primarily at first? Good questions ... guess we will know more on Mar. 30.

    27 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

    Counting the shortened 2020 season, Farmer has an .880 OPS vs. lefties and his career OPS is .837, better than Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau vs. LHP.  I'd venture to say that the outlier on his splits was 2021.

    3/4 of those career years prior to the last two seasons he had fewer than 100 PAs. His 2019 splits still wildly favor him against lefties but even that SS is half of his 2021 PAs. I still expect him to hit lefties well, but if we're talking about outliers, are we sure last season wasn't one?

    45 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

    Gordon has already played in 2 games, at 2nd, since the sprain, so, I'd say he's pretty good to go. He could have a setback, but, he was cleared for all activity almost a week ago. Same with Miranda. As for Kirilloff, yeah, don't know where they've been having him play most, but I think he's been in some AAA games on the backfields at first, but haven't heard anything about the outfield. If he's on the opening day roster, it will be interesting to see where he plays; but, if Polo really starts the season on the IL and Kirilloff doesn't and goes north with the team, that means Larnach is on the team, so, I'd say then that Kirilloff will be seen primarily at first? Good questions ... guess we will know more on Mar. 30.

    Unless I haven't caught an update, it was still considered a high ankle sprain right? Those tend to linger, which is concerning, but yeah, I hope he's good to go for the rest of the season. 

    Yep, can't get here fast enough. 

    On 3/19/2023 at 8:27 PM, Seth Stohs said:

    Just to be fair... we don't know how transparent they have or haven't been. I had people in FM telling me 2-3 weeks ago that said he was looking pretty good, running, hitting, fielding... 

    And now Ted posted on Friday or Saturday that he was limping. It's possible that he just had a setback. It's also possible that local media hadn't met with Falvey since. It's not like there is much Twins media in Ft. Myers this spring. It doesn't have to always be something sinister. 

    You’d think. Still, the Solano signing right at the start of camp is a pretty good smoking gun that they were worried from the get go. Zero reason for that signing otherwise.

    And it’s not like the organization has a sterling track record in communicating with the folks that pay the salaries in this regard.

    6 hours ago, jkcarew said:

    You’d think. Still, the Solano signing right at the start of camp is a pretty good smoking gun that they were worried from the get go. Zero reason for that signing otherwise.

    And it’s not like the organization has a sterling track record in communicating with the folks that pay the salaries in this regard.

    Maybe. This looks to me like a recent, unexpected flare up for Polo. The Donnie Barrels signing had more to do with avoiding the extreme vulnerability against leftys they displayed last season. 

    7 hours ago, jkcarew said:

    You’d think. Still, the Solano signing right at the start of camp is a pretty good smoking gun that they were worried from the get go. Zero reason for that signing otherwise.

    And it’s not like the organization has a sterling track record in communicating with the folks that pay the salaries in this regard.

    I look at it as covering themselves just in case because of what we went through last year. I'll admit to having been 'WTH?' with both the Gallo and Solano signings, but I think they were good coverage, trying to add yet more depth. And with Solano, they could release him mid-season when/if we get consistent contributions from Julien, Lewis or Lee at some point.

    15 hours ago, jkcarew said:

    And it’s not like the organization has a sterling track record in communicating with the folks that pay the salaries in this regard.

    I'm pretty sure they communicate to the best of their ability with the Pohlad family... 

    And, they need to be careful with how much they say. There is no upside to them giving timelines, but people keep wanting an exact date. For me, the player will be ready when he is ready. No two people are the same, and they  don't necessarily heal in the same timeline. So I chose to look at it like they're ready when they're ready. 

    Can Miranda play first, if he can't play third. That is my fear now, that Miranda will jsut become a bat.

    With Julien and Wallner the 40-man names at St. Paul, there isn't much room for another injury without a major roster move. Especially if that move would need to add a catcher for an injured backstop.

    Waiting to see where Henriquez and WInder end up. On the short-term or long-term IL. This could've been a BIG CHANCE for Henriquez to start his major league career!

    5 minutes ago, Rosterman said:

    Can Miranda play first, if he can't play third. That is my fear now, that Miranda will jsut become a bat.

    With Julien and Wallner the 40-man names at St. Paul, there isn't much room for another injury without a major roster move. Especially if that move would need to add a catcher for an injured backstop.

    Waiting to see where Henriquez and WInder end up. On the short-term or long-term IL. This could've been a BIG CHANCE for Henriquez to start his major league career!

    Miranda played first in a minor league game and last night he played first against Boston. Pretty certain he's available to play there. However, he hasn't played an inning of third this spring. Just like with Polanco and Kirilloff, time is running short (or running out) for Miranda to play third. He does have plenty of experience at third, though.

    21 minutes ago, stringer bell said:

    Miranda played first in a minor league game and last night he played first against Boston. Pretty certain he's available to play there. However, he hasn't played an inning of third this spring. Just like with Polanco and Kirilloff, time is running short (or running out) for Miranda to play third. He does have plenty of experience at third, though.

    I'm thinking Farmer is the starting 3B until Miranda can throw. Or until Lee says "just put me in, coach".

    4 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

    I'm thinking Farmer is the starting 3B until Miranda can throw. Or until Lee says "just put me in, coach".

    I hope it's not solely Farmer, but that would mean Castro makes the team. The downside is that Larnach should be playing against right handers and there's not really a place for him.

    On 3/21/2023 at 7:32 AM, wabene said:

    Maybe. This looks to me like a recent, unexpected flare up for Polo. The Donnie Barrels signing had more to do with avoiding the extreme vulnerability against leftys they displayed last season. 

    Which infielder are you sitting to hit Solano against left-handed pitching? Farmer, Correa, Polanco, or Miranda?




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