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    Twins Roster Projection 2017: Version 1.0


    Seth Stohs

    It’s never too early to start thinking about what the Twins 2017 roster could look like. Based on players on the 40-man roster and in the minor leagues, it is possible to start putting that 25-man, Opening Day roster together. Of course, it is always subject to change. It’s pretty clear there are trade talks ongoing with several teams. An actual trade will obviously make the below change. There are also free agents that the team will still sign and bring to big league camp, whether they sign big league contracts or minor league deals. So, this is an ever-changing document and will be updated at various times through the off-season.

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    It was a fun exercise putting together this first draft, even if there aren’t as many changes as we would think. But it is a starting point. As you read this, consider where the Twins should focus their attention the rest of the season.

    For this, I am going to go with a 13-hitter, 12-pitcher roster as most teams like to begin the season that way.

    Catchers (2): Jason Castro, John Ryan Murphy

    Kurt Suzuki’s been the primary Twins catcher the last three years, but that will not be the case in 2017. The Twins new front office regime quickly targeted pitch-framing sensation Jason Castro and signed him to a three-year, $24.5 million contract. He may not hit, but the goal is for him to assist heavily in the improvement of the Twins pitching staff.

    John Ryan Murphy will be out of options which obviously gives him the advantage over Mitch Garver, who was just added to the Twins 40-man roster last month. Murphy is younger, but Garver is likely the better player. My reports tell me he was much better than Murphy offensively and defensively in 2016, so it’s likely he’ll see some time with the big league club in 2017.

    Infielders (6): Byungho Park, Joe Mauer, Brian Dozier, Miguel Sano, Jorge Polanco, Eduardo Escobar

    It’s pretty clear that it is very likely that this alignment will change significantly before spring training. Dozier remains quite likely be be traded, and if that happens Jorge Polanco likely moves to second base and a decision will need to be made at shortstop (Escobar or someone from outside).

    Joe Mauer will be the primary first baseman. Dozier will be the Twins second baseman until he’s not in the organization. Sano is going to get the opportunity to be the regular third baseman now that Trevor Plouffe is not in the organization. Polanco is out of options and will be playing somewhere because of his bat. Eduardo Escobar was offered arbitration, a wise decision with so many question marks around the infield and his ability to be an option at three of the positions.

    I believe that it is an either/or situation at DH between Kennys Vargas and Byungho Park. How much of Park’s rookie struggles were related to adjusting to a new league and how much of it was related to his hand and wrist injuries? He does have two option years remaining. The Twins petitioned for an extra option year for Vargas and it was granted, so he also can be sent to Rochester if deemed appropriate. Adam Brett Walker was DFAd and has since been claimed twice. Daniel Palka is now on the 40-man roster so he could potentially be brought up if a DH is needed. Also, Robbie Grossman’s best defensive position is DH.

    Outfielders (5): Eddie Rosario, Byron Buxton, Max Kepler, Robbie Grossman, Danny Santana

    Byron Buxton did so much in September to hand him the center field job. His defense made it likely even if he hadn’t hit. Max Kepler had a solid rookie season in right field, showing power and defense. Eddie Rosario struggled as a sophomore, enough to be sent to Rochester. He came back and was better, but a platoon option might be good. Robbie Grossman isn’t a good defender, at all, but he can mash left-handed pitchers, which gives him some value.

    And yes, Danny Santana is still - maybe inexplicably - on the 40-man roster, and he is out of options, so an MLB roster spot still is in his future. Obviously he’s a great athlete. He’s got very good speed and the tools that keep him intriguing. We’d all love to see him put up numbers anywhere near his 2013 rookie campaign, but playing time should be limited.

    Palka is an option in right field and DH. Zack Granite was also added to the 40-man roster and could be an option in center field if there is injury and he needs to be up for an extended period. Ben Paulsen is a capable replacement level player who will be in AAA unless needed.

    Starting Pitchers (5): Ervin Santana, Phil Hughes, Kyle Gibson, Hector Santiago, Trevor May

    Pitching appears to be Derek Falvey’s calling card, and the Twins currently have a long list of pitchers who could start the season in the team’s rotation. There are even more that have a decent shot of getting called up in 2017.

    Ervin Santana is easily the team’s top starter. He just turned 34 and has two seasons (and an option year) remaining on his contract. While he’s not an “Ace,” he has been a quality MLB starter for more than a decade. Somewhat surprising, his name has not been mentioned in off-season trade rumors. That could obviously change at any time and there are teams where it makes complete sense for him. But as long as he’s on the roster, he’s at the top of the rotation.

    The Twins offered arbitration to both Hector Santiago and Kyle Gibson. They’ll be around unless traded. Gibson was the team’s pitcher of the year in 2015, but an early season injury cost him six months. With health, he should take a good stride forward again in 2017. Santiago has been a solid starter the last few years. He was even an All-Star a couple years ago. He was not good for his first month with the Twins, but he can be a solid starter. In reality, both could be July trade chips if they pitch well.

    Trevor May might get a shot to start again, and for right now, I’ll include him here. I think the odds of May starting are not high, but hopefully he gets a real chance. Tyler Duffey should head to spring training with a shot at a rotation spot again. I’m going to go with May here, but Duffey has about the same likelihood. Others will get a shot too, including Jose Berrios and Adelberto Mejia. Berrios is an Opening Day option, but it’s 100% based on his command starting in spring training. Could any of the AA group get to the big leagues in 2017? It’s possible we see Stephen Gonsalves, Kohl Stewart, Felix Jorge, Tyler Jay or even Fernando Romero late in the season.

    Bullpen (7): Brandon Kintzler, Ryan Pressly, JT Chargois, Taylor Rogers, Ryan O’Rourke, Tyler Duffey, Justin Haley.

    This is another group that could change quickly. I mean, as of today, Brandon Kintzler would likely still be the team’s closer. He had 17 saves last year and did well, but we all know he isn’t the prototype for an MLB closer. It’s also possible that the righty is traded. Ryan Pressly, like Kintzler, was just offered arbitration. He could fit in to the closer role as well, but he’ll certainly be used in late innings again. JT Chargois, like Byron Buxton, seemed to relax and play much, much better in September than previously. He has a chance to be a closer, but I don’t think they would throw him right into the role.

    Taylor Rogers had a quality rookie season. He had a few flare-ups, but for the most part, he got the job done as well. I think that, as of today, the second lefty reliever role would be a strong competition between Ryan O’Rourke and Buddy Boshers. Depending upon additional Twins free agent signings, they could remain in that role, or they could be DFA candidates. Mason Melotakis is likely to get a shot sometime in 2017 as well. In his return from Tommy John, the Twins handled him carefully in 2016, and they will likely do so for the first half of 2017, but he’ll be up at some point. Also, Glen Perkins is going to be back in 2017. He had shoulder surgery midseason, but the thought is that he could be back and throwing in spring training. I suspect he will start the season on the disabled list, getting a few appearances in rehab games before coming up.

    I show Tyler Duffey pitching in long relief. With his inability to add a decent third pitch, he is more suited for the bullpen and could team with former Rice teammate JT Chargois in later innings too.

    If the Twins start the season with a 12-man pitching staff, we have one more spot for the opening of the season. Michael Tonkin could fill that role again. He made the team and stayed on it in large part due to the fact that he was out of options and had to stay with the team. He obviously remains out of options. I’m including Justin Haley as the final bullpen spot. After some of the annual Rule 5 maneuvering, the Twins ended up with the big right-hander who spent the first four seasons of his professional career with the Red Sox. As a Rule 5 pick, he would need to remain with the big league club all season or risk losing him back to the Red Sox (unless the teams work out a trade, which is possible too).

    At some point during the season, we will likely see more of the hard-throwing relievers drafted by the Twins since 2012. Melotakis is one of them. The others include the likes of Jake Reed, Trevor Hildenberger, Nick Burdi and John Curtiss.

    So there is Roster 2017 version 1.0. Share your thoughts, your areas where you believe that Falvey/Levine should focus.

    Aside from adding Jason Castro and letting Trevor Plouffe become a free agent, there have not been a lot of moves so far. Obviously it is still very, very early in the off-season yet. The next four weeks will be very busy for the Twins and all other teams.

    Before spring training, we’ll obviously have resolution on the Brian Dozier situation, one way or the other. That will obviously affect the Twins at both second base and shortstop, but depending on the return, it could also affect two of three other roster spots either now or in the next year or so. Pitching hasn’t really been addressed in any meaningful way yet, even in terms of minor league signings. There are still a lot of relievers available.

    I also don’t think the overall lack of moves is a bad thing at all.The Terry Ryan tenure ushered in a lot of very good, high-profile, high-ceiling types of prospects. Some of them have debuted in the last year or so. Others will arrive in 2017. Derek Falvey and Thad Levine have come in and made just a handful of changes to the front office. Likewise, they may choose to make just a handful of moves to the roster that will help complement the young, potential stars who are taking their lumps in the big leagues but could become very good.

    Signing some veterans to minor league or low-dollar deals does two things. First, if they’re any good, they can be traded in July as the Twins did with Fernando Abad a year ago.They could also pitch as well as Brandon Kintzler did, allowing the Twins do make a decision on whether to keep them around or deal them in the off-season. Third, if they’re not pitching great, their low-dollar contracts are easy to DFA, making room for talented prospects when they are deemed ready.

    What are your thoughts? What does your roster look like?

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    I don't see any need for Berrios to be in AAA, even with the other guys in the rotation you've pegged here. If he's not in your rotation at the start, have him in the 'pen.

     

    I would do this with the pitchers we currently have -

     

    Starters: Santana, Gibson, May, Santiago, Berrios

     

    Bullpen: Kintzler, Hughes, Duffey, Pressley, Chargois, Rogers, O'Rourke.

     

    If we really like Haley, make the trade to keep him in AAA.

     

    But I really hope it ends up looking more like this -

     

    Starters: Santana, Gibson, De Leon, May, Berrios

     

    Bullpen: FA-closer reclamation, Hughes, Duffey, Chargois, Rogers, 2nd-Lefty, Pressley

     

    I thought there was some serious talk about Hughes to the pen to make room for Berrios.  Not quite sure I see the point in Berrios starting in AAA.  That said, if they are confident that Hughes will be ready, then I have to think that they need to find a way to remove Santiago. You might need a couple of AAAA type arms in Rochester for depth purposes, but with Gonsalves likely starting in AAA and guys like Jay, Stewart, and Jorge all in AA, that makes the most sense.

     

    If Falvey is putting his rotation together based on his experiences in Cleveland, one would have to think May will be in the rotation and Hughes in the pen. Cleveland appears to value velocity and an assortment of pitches from it's starters; most of them have an average velocity over 92MPH and/or regularly use four different pitches. Hughes 89 MPH FB and three pitch repertoire doesn't look like what Cleveland does.

     

    On the other hand May can meet both of those criteria.

    The way Seth laid it out now, I agree. But there'll be a half dozen changes before April 1st. I figured Tonkin had seen his last days in a Twins uniform, and have a hunch Perkins may never play again. Berrios starts in the rotation, and I have doubts with May.

     

    Anyway, if there aren't a bunch of changes this will be another long season.

     

    So last year's AAA dominance didn't mean anything, but a couple spring training starts will? I don't agree with that as how to make decisions. Last year's minor league dominance meant nothing, but this year it would?

     

    Frank Viola was awful at first. He learned by actually being in the majors and facing MLB hitters. 

     

    Spring training dominance would not just be numbers.

     

    And I don't necessarily agree he dominated AAA last year so much he has nothing left to do. His walks ticked up and that was his clear problem once he reached the majors.

     

    I don't especially care about Frank Viola's career arc. 

    Spring training dominance would not just be numbers.

     

    And I don't necessarily agree he dominated AAA last year so much he has nothing left to do. His walks ticked up and that was his clear problem once he reached the majors.

     

    I don't especially care about Frank Viola's career arc.

    If you want to argue Berrios wasn't perfect at AAA, then OK.

    But he absolutely dominated AAA last year.

     

    If you want to argue Berrios wasn't perfect at AAA, then OK.
    But he absolutely dominated AAA last year.

     

    He was really good in AAA, I wouldn't argue otherwise. But I think it is clear that his command needed to be tightened up. What worked in AAA was exploited in the majors. This is not uncommon.

     

    I'm not opposed to him starting in the rotation and working it out in the majors, but I think there is wisdom in keeping him down in AAA, give the other depth guys a shot, and clean it up before unleashing him. When I say "dominate in spring training" I am talking not necessarily about numbers, those don't mean much, but about showing that he has improved this weakness in his pitching. If he does that, he'll probably earn a spot in the opening day rotation. But he shouldn't be Plan A.

     

    I'm in the Berrios has to be a starter this year camp. 

    I also wonder if Hughes would make a good closer... on this rebuilding team. 

     

    Trade Brandon and then role with the youngsters in the rotation and move the old guys to the pen... 

     

    Putting Berrios in the pen would be a massive mistake for a team in the Twins position. No chance.

     

    I wouldn't be surprised if Hughes ends up in the pen, perhaps even in spring training. One reason it makes sense to bring in another veteran starter.

     

    'The Terry Ryan tenure ushered in a lot of very good, high-profile, high-ceiling types of prospects.'

     

    Not sure we have a lot of high ceiling types, but many of our good prospects were acquired during the Bill Smith era.

     

    I'd put Sano, Buxton, Kepler, Polanco, Chargois, Berrios in the high ceiling category of prospects, and they were all called up last year (or the year before for Sano, and the year before that for the first Polanco cup of coffee). 

    Can't say I'm excited about the roster layout right now. Still a lot of clean up left to do. 

    D Santana and Grossman should both be off the roster. 

    Berrios has to be in the starting rotation. 

     

    Kintzler can not be the opening day closer. 

     

    I sure hope that "out of options" as a reason for winning a roster spot has left with the old regime.

     

    Like it or not, 'out of options' matters in every organization. It's a reality for them all.

     

    And, the Twins haven't always kept out of option guys either. Just two years ago, they let 2 or 3 out of option guys go at the end of spring training. 

     

    Q: How many new baseball operations executives does it take to not do anything? 

     

    A: Two.

     

    Patience grasshopper. 

     

    Aside from a Dozier trade, it wouldn't bother me if they did nothing between now and the 2017 trade deadline. Give them time to evaluate the players in spring training and early in the season THEN they'll have a better idea of what they have and don't have.  That better than making some hasty moves and then regretting it later. Patience.

     

     

    So last year's AAA dominance didn't mean anything, but a couple spring training starts will? I don't agree with that as how to make decisions. Last year's minor league dominance meant nothing, but this year it would?

     

    Frank Viola was awful at first. He learned by actually being in the majors and facing MLB hitters. 

     

    I'm hoping we see Berrios at the MLB level.

     

    However after Neil Allen's fairly scathing assessment of the organization's lack of vision and in particular their lack of enforcement of the young guys commanding their pitches, I think we may see a lot of pitchers go back a level and get remedial work. I hope it doesn't happen, but I won't be shocked if we actually see a couple of the guys in AA we were hoping to see soon actually go back to get extra attention with the instructors in Ft Myers.

     

    If the front office didn't take Allen's organizational denouncement and the pitching plan he created as a result seriously, I just can't see any other reason that they would have retained him.

     

    I'm hoping we see Berrios at the MLB level.

     

    However after Neil Allen's fairly scathing assessment of the organization's lack of vision and in particular their lack of enforcement of the young guys commanding their pitches, I think we may see a lot of pitchers go back a level and get remedial work. I hope it doesn't happen, but I won't be shocked if we actually see a couple of the guys in AA we were hoping to see soon actually go back to get extra attention with the instructors in Ft Myers.

     

    If the front office didn't take Allen's organizational denouncement and the pitching plan he created as a result seriously, I just can't see any other reason that they would have retained him.

     

    Good points. I imagine I will be frustrated if we basically lost a year last year, and we have to wait another 12 months beyond the expected time to see these guys (not to mention, hundreds more pitches on their arms wasted in the minors). Will make me sad if true.

     

    Also, a MAJOR indictment of the previous regime, imo.....

    I find this realistic, but uninspiring.  My first complaint with the new regime was keeping Allen, my second would be keeping this rotation.  Santana should be traded, but the question is - will anyone want him and what we get.  If not quality I keep him.  From there on Gibson, Santiago, Hughes do nothing for me and the future - I am all in on young arms and good coaching.  I certainly do not want to add any veteran 4/5 starters either. 

     

    May is a mystery.  I know most of you love his potential, I have not seen anything that makes him more than a journeyman.  Lots of players with minimum ability to play their positions and our old overpaid bugaboo still hanging in.  I believe this team has a bad case of clogged arteries. 

     

    Putting Berrios in the pen would be a massive mistake for a team in the Twins position. No chance.

     

    I wouldn't be surprised if Hughes ends up in the pen, perhaps even in spring training. One reason it makes sense to bring in another veteran starter.

    Agreed... 

     

    Berrios must start... 

     

    In fact my preference for a starting 5 would be 

     

    Santana

    Santiago

    Berrios

    Gonclaves [terrible spelling... sorry] OR Mejia [A YOUNG LEFTY] 

    Gibson 

     

     

     

     

    D Santana and Grossman should both be off the roster. 

    Berrios has to be in the starting rotation. 

     

    Kintzler can not be the opening day closer. 

     

    Good job analyzing the holes in the roster.

     

    I am not worried about slots in the rotation for Berrios. Teams routinely use 7-8 starting pitchers during a season. "Too many" starting pitchers will quickly sort itself out in April when someone is inevitably hurt. The 10 day disabled list will also encourage the AAA shuttle if a starter is going to miss his next start. You may see 9-10 starting pitchers used this season.

     

    I agree 100% that the Twins need to add a starting caliber outfielder and dump Grossman and Santana in favor of an outfielder who can play the field. Rosario should be the backup at all three positions. Yasiel Puig is actually a very good fit since he hits RH and can play defense.

     

    The bullpen is all back-end guys. Swapping Duffey for May should improve the rotation AND the bullpen. A full season from Chargois like his September would be nice as well. There is plenty of room for a veteran to help solidify the bullpen.

     

    When Falvey or Levine have made comments to the effect of the gift that the Pohlads have given by not requiring them to make decisions based solely on money, I think of Phil Hughes.

    The contract extension was a huge error as many have stated. Being a TR move, I think he would feel more pressure to keep him in the rotation than the new guys. I realize most pitchers' numbers get worse the 2nd and 3rd time through the order, and Hughes certainly does. If you compare his (somewhat limited) RP numbers only to SP 1st time through the order numbers, he still has been just so much better as a RP. I think we move him to pen; maybe there is a Wade Davis/Andrew Miller-lite that can recoup some value from the contract.

     

    Here's a fun set of Buxton clips on a ridiculously cold Illinois or Minnesota day.

     

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/211043632/byron-buxtons-5-tools-as-measured-by-statcast/

     

    Let's hope he makes the next leap.  And doesn't crash into a wall when he does it.

     

    I think Santiago and Gibson need to move on.  They can be marginally better if they get some breaks, but how much more upside do they have?  That might make 2017 a little more palatable, but we need higher ceilings for the next 5 years.  Move 'em.  Let's see May and some younger guys and get this thing sorted out.

     

    It makes me cringe every time someone makes excuses for Gibson.  

    I was a lot more excited last year at this time.  I think this is the year we've been looking forward to with all of the kids being penciled in for their spots to start out the year. It doesn't feel like I was hoping it would.  I hope we can keep Dozier, need to stop giving away REAL players for PROSPECTS as most will not pan out.  Hopefully the kids go a couple steps forward and we can find a way to turn some of our starting pitchers into pitchers.  I think Seth's names are in the right places, I just want those players to step up and produce and become more consistent.

    I think there's a good chance that many of the ways people complained about the previous regime about roster construction and management are pretty much the way that all teams operate even under all different kinds of leadership groups and styles.

     

    There will be organizational changes and improvements at the margins, probably most especially in talent acquisition and development, but much about roster management will be more or less the same. Decisions around keeping players that are out of options, or giving first opportunities to players with contracts, or sending younger players to the minors longer than we might like are not going to suddenly change, if for no other reason than teams like to build depth and don't like to cut loose contracts until they absolutely have to.

     

    Here's a fun set of Buxton clips on a ridiculously cold Illinois or Minnesota day.

     

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/211043632/byron-buxtons-5-tools-as-measured-by-statcast/

     

    Let's hope he makes the next leap.  And doesn't crash into a wall when he does it.

     

    I think Santiago and Gibson need to move on.  They can be marginally better if they get some breaks, but how much more upside do they have?  That might make 2017 a little more palatable, but we need higher ceilings for the next 5 years.  Move 'em.  Let's see May and some younger guys and get this thing sorted out.

    I can watch that inside the park HR all day.  He doesn't even look like he's trying.  I'm looking forward to what's possible from him this season......thanks for posting this!

     

    Good job analyzing the holes in the roster.

     

    I am not worried about slots in the rotation for Berrios. Teams routinely use 7-8 starting pitchers during a season. "Too many" starting pitchers will quickly sort itself out in April when someone is inevitably hurt. The 10 day disabled list will also encourage the AAA shuttle if a starter is going to miss his next start. You may see 9-10 starting pitchers used this season.

     

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    More than that, actually. Last year 153 guys started a game in the AL. That's an average of more than 10 per team. Of those 121 started at least 5. Among rookies, only three started more than 15 games and none more than 26. And as you note, there may be even more with the shortened DL period. 

     

    I'm with you. No need to try pushing an entire MLB season out of Berrios. Odds are slim that he'd make it through unscathed -- he still hasn't gone beyond 170 innings. He was great in Rochester but struggled in Minnesota. Spend April/May in Rochester, maxing out at 80-90 pitches and working out the details of what he learned in the majors.

     

    Then bring him up around June 1, looking for a time when his first several starts could slot against weaker teams. He could get still get another 22 or so starts in the majors. That would also keep him fresher for the meaningful October games.

     

    Oh wait. Ignore that last sentence. 




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