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    Ryan LaMarre Just Might Make Twins Opening Day Roster


    Seth Stohs

    FORT MYERS - When the Twins signed outfielder Ryan LaMarre in late November, it was a ho-hum minor league signing. A quick look at his Baseball-Reference page shows that he’s a solid outfielder who has had a couple of brief cups of coffee in the big leagues. But he’s one of many similar players who sign minor league contracts each offseason.

    Yet here we are, less than a week from Opening Day and Ryan LaMarre is still in camp. After going 2-4 on Saturday night in Sarasota, LaMarre is hitting a robust .487 with a 1.307 OPS.

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    The Twins outfield appears set. In reality, it’s been set for about two years. Ryan LaMarre knew that when he signed. But after a conversation with Twins minor league director Jeremy Zoll, he felt that this was the right place for him to sign.

    “I talked to Jeremy Zoll. He had some great things to say in terms of where he saw me fitting in, what he thought I could bring to the table. Obviously we’ve got Buck (Byron Buxton), Eddie (Rosario) and (Max) Kepler, so that’s pretty much set. Then Robbie (Grossman) and (Zack) Granite behind them, but behind them there wasn’t as much. So it was an opportunity to come in here and show what you can do.” LaMarre continued, “Also as you know, they use a lot of players throughout the year. There’s always going to be that opportunity. But I just really liked what he said about where I fit in, especially coming off of the injury I had last year, so it seemed like a good opportunity.”

    Ryan LaMarre is not a star. The 29-year-old knows that. He understands that if he were to make the Twins roster, be it for Opening Day or later in the season, it will be as a backup. That’s just fine with him. By definition, Ryan LaMarre is a journeyman. He has played for three MLB clubs (and four organizations) in the last three years. In 2018, he joins his fifth organization, the Twins.

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    LaMarre was the second-round draft choice of the Cincinnati Reds in 2010 out of the University of Michigan. He worked his way up the ladder. He never hit over .300, but he always showed a good approach at the plate and a little bit of pop. He also plays strong defense. In August of 2015, he finally received the call he’d be waiting for his whole life.

    The story of his first big league call up is pretty entertaining. LaMarre explains:

    “I was with Cincinnati. I was in AAA. We were in Gwinnett, the Braves AAA team. I was having a decent year, but they were losing a lot of games. I was hot for about the last three weeks leading up to the series. Billy Hamilton was injured. They ended up calling up someone else on the team.”

    Lamarre was disappointed, but got a motivational chat from his manager, “I was pretty close to the manager. I had played for him for two or three years. He called me in and said ‘Don’t worry. Just keep playing hard. September’s right around the corner. I know they didn’t call you up right here, but just keep playing.’

    LaMarre went out onto the field to stretch, and as he tells it, “Within an hour, he (the manager) came running out to the field and said, ‘You’re going up! It’s four o'clock. I don’t have time to explain. You’ve got to pack your bag. You’ve got to go. You have a six o'clock flight out of Atlanta.’”

    Imagine the excitement of getting that news, but now needing to leave the AAA ballpark, pack up your belonging from the hotel and rush to the airport to catch a flight that is less than two hours away.

    “It was rush hour. I packed my bag and grabbed a bat boy who drove me to the airport. I didn’t even get there until an hour after it left, So I missed my flight. I remember calling the guy from the Reds and I was like, if this is it, I’ll rent a car. I’ll be there by the 8th or 9th inning somehow. They said ‘No, no, no. Just take it easy. It was so last minute, we understand. We’ll just get you a flight tomorrow morning. If you miss that, don’t even bother showing up.’

    A positive message, yet also pretty direct. LaMarre heard it, “So I stayed that night at the airport, and then I got on a flight the next day.”

    It was an exciting time Ryan LaMarre and those close to him. “My family was super excited. My wife was my girlfriend at the time. She was very excited. They were all excited. They came into Cincinnati for the weekend. It was fun.”

    LaMarre played in 21 games over the season’s final six weeks. He was used primarily as a defensive replacement and got just 25 at-bats.

    Following the season, he was DFAd and signed a minor league free agent contract with the Boston Red Sox. In late June of 2016, he was called up and got five at-bats (no hits) in five games played. He actually played in one more game, on July 2nd. The Red Sox were losing 21-3 to the Angels, and LaMarre threw a scoreless ninth inning. He gave up two hits, but the final out of the inning came off the bat of Gregorio Petit who also remains on the Twins spring training roster.

    Following the 2016 season, LaMarre was let go by the Red Sox and signed a minor league deal with the Angels. In late April, he was traded to Oakland. He was immediately called up to the A’s and played in three games (0-7) before being sent down. He remained in AAA until a mid-June injury cost him the rest of his season.

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    The Twins signed LaMarre in late November, 2017. He began to rehab last July and was cleared in October. About that same time, he was getting married to his wife Whitney who is a Minnesota native. Because of his injury and rehab, they spent the majority of their offseason in Florida, but he says he could see himself living in the Twin Cities.

    He noted with a smile, “That wouldn’t be a bad place to play for awhile.”

    It might be even more cool for his wife and her family for LaMarre to make the Twins roster in 2018. “It would be amazing. She obviously represents her family. Her parents are from Minneapolis. Her dad was down here and he got to meet Rod (Carew) and Tony (Oliva), and for him, those were the guys he looked up to as a kid. So it would be special. It’d be a fun time.”

    LaMarre’s big league track record hasn’t been strong, but it’s also been a very small sample size. Paul Molitor was asked how he takes past history into account with spring success.

    “You try to know these guys’ history, but you hear about swing changes and other things he’s been doing. He’s had a nice camp. He can play around the outfield. I think he plays the outfield well. He’s been taking good at-bats all spring. He’ll swing and miss some, but he’s got that opposite field power that we’ve seen more than once. He’s got a little bit of that hockey player mentality.”

    Makes sense since LaMarre played hockey in his younger years. Another reason it makes sense for Ryan LaMarre to make the Twins roster in 2018, is to be part of the State of Hockey. And, with the hopes and expectations of the Twins and their fans for 2018, maybe he can help make it more of a State of Baseball again.

    For LaMarre, he’s happy to be a part of this year’s Twins organization and sees it as a special place. “It’s been fun. It’s an awesome group of guys. The coaches are amazing. The manager. The hitting coach. Everyone’s pulling in the right direction. This is a good place to be right now.”

    And on Thursday, Baltimore would be a great place for Ryan LaMarre to be for his first Opening Day. The odds were long six weeks ago (even two weeks ago), but it just might happen.

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    Why? He's a backup as long as the big three are here, and there are guys on his tail.

    Granite's 2017 at AAA was a fluke and the .611 MLB ops was the real Granite. If that is the case you should want a better backup than Granite.  If he is a developing player  with a few things to work on, then he needs to be in AAA playing every day.  The guy on his tail is Wade. There are no other prospects  at AAA. Nor AA

     

    How long would Granite have to be on the farm for the Twins to own another year of him? That is, postpone vesting by a year. Keep LaMarre until then?

    Granite isn't the kind of prospect that you worry about service time with.

    Granite's 2017 at AAA was a fluke and the .611 MLB ops was the real Granite. If that is the case you should want a better backup than Granite. If he is a developing player with a few things to work on, then he needs to be in AAA playing every day. The guy on his tail is Wade. There are no other prospects at AAA. Nor AA

    Wanting a better backup has nothing to do with him getting more AAA at bats, unless people think he is working on things and can become a legit starter here somehow. Otherwise he only holds value as a backup here, or in a trade somehow.

     

    Totally sustainable.... Not a small sample size at all compared to over seven years of earlier data....

     

    Did you hear he tweaked his swing? Just wait until he's more comfortable with it ... I'd say .845 isn't out of reach.

     

    I don’t know what your definition of bad hitter is, but he’s got a .719 career minor league OPS and hasn’t slugged .400 at A, AA, or AAA.

    I don’t like Granite much, but I’ll take him over LaMarre..

    .263 ave with a .340 OBP.   Or I can cherry pick and say the last time he had over 200 at bats was 2016 in AAA where he hit .303 with a .445 slugging.     I am not advocating for him as a regular.    I am not even advocating for him as a reserve.   Just I am ok with the Twins giving him a shot.   Its not like they are penciling Jason Bartlett to play center field.

    The role to be filled is backup outfielder. I think defense is important, as well as the potential to get some PAs against left handed pitching. If the Twins needed a lefty swinger, I think Granite would be a lock, but with Kepler’s struggles vs. lefties last year and Grossman’s poor defense, giving LaMarre a shot makes some sense.

     

    How long would Granite have to be on the farm for the Twins to own another year of him? That is, postpone vesting by a year. Keep LaMarre until then?

     I know the answer to this:

    No one cares.

     

    Really, that's the answer. It doesn't matter how much service time Granite does or does not have. At his peak, he's pretty much Ben Revere.

     

    Still don't understand the infatuation with Grossman.  .255 with a dozen home runs and 60 RBI would be a MONSTER year for him.  Need to find a better option if you plan to go to the next level.

    Getting on base is the new (but somehow now old) black.

     

    Seriously, if you don't appreciate a professional backup with a .360+ OBP, I don't really know what to say.

     

    As others have mentioned, Grossman was thought of the same way Lamarre is right now and he's had two good seasons with the bat now. Did any of us expect a combined 115 wRC+ out of Grossman? Think that's an easy no. I wouldn't have even expected the 100 he put up last year, even though he was close one year with the Astros with less power and fewer walks. Maybe Lamarre can do the same, but with better defense?

    Whoa whoa WHOA.

     

    Grossman had a .770 OPS in the minors. Over his last three partial seasons, he had an OPS of:

     

    .914

    .703

    .823

     

    Ryan Lamarre, on the other hand. He had an OPS of .814 in 2016. That's swell.

     

    His career MiLB OPS? .719. His highest OPS outside 2016? Well, he had a .767 in rookie ball in 2010.

     

    Wanting a better backup has nothing to do with him getting more AAA at bats, unless people think he is working on things and can become a legit starter here somehow. Otherwise he only holds value as a backup here, or in a trade somehow.

    KATOH seems to like Granite  You can think his role whatever you want, other projection models say different things. If there is talent yet to be developed the fifth outfielder role will not do.

     

    KATOH seems to like Granite  You can think his role whatever you want, other projection models say different things. If there is talent yet to be developed the fifth outfielder role will not do.

     

    On this team he's a backup, or trade bait, or backup. Are we not supposed to have this conversation in context of the Twins? I am aware of KATOH thinks (and man we are going to miss seeing KATOH, sigh), but that's not in context of his value to the Twins.

     

     

     

    Wanting a better backup has nothing to do with him getting more AAA at bats, unless people think he is working on things and can become a legit starter here somehow. Otherwise he only holds value as a backup here, or in a trade somehow.

    Not sold if this makes sense, but Granite could be at least a medium/term starter if one of the three mainstays hit the DL.Maybe a regular dose of AAA at-bats over occasional ML appearance would keep him better ready to jump in as a starter for a week or two if needed. Maybe not. 

    Questions I'd like input on: Is LaMarre near the same level defensively as Granite? I've seen just one game (last week vs NYY) from my very distant location. Granite was in center with LaMarre in left. Granite made a nice diving catch after a good break and a perfect route to the ball. Should have been a double; LaMarre got yet another hit in that game; Does LaMarre have a better arm than Granite? No information to go on other than 77 assists and 24 DP's in 5670 MiLB innings.Granite, 35 assists and 7 DP's in 3482 innings.

    We do know that LaMarre bats righthanded and that the biggest OF issue at the moment among the starters is Kepler's weakness vs LHP. A point in his favor.

    Another point is that LaMarre is on a roll. A SP roll, but also word of an improved swing in play.

    While I've been enjoyed following LaMarre's SP stats from early on, and been touting him as the clear choice for the Sire of Fort Myers, it's only recently that I've given much thought of his going north with the team. It could happen.

    It's an interesting mixed bag for me and I'm fine with whatever the decision is.

     

     

    Wanting a better backup has nothing to do with him getting more AAA at bats, unless people think he is working on things and can become a legit starter here somehow. Otherwise he only holds value as a backup here, or in a trade somehow.

    Slight distinction between being a 4th outfielder and being a back up outfielder.    Granite appears to be our plan for regular starter should any of our three go down to injury.     Basically insurance.   Is a guy like that better prepared to be an every day starter for a few weeks by playing every day in the minors or will he be better prepared to be an every day starter by facing big league pitching sporadically as a 4th outfielder.    As I said it is a slight distinction but one I think the Twins are considering.  If each of our outfielders get 10 days off and Grossmann starts half of those then that reserve outfielder only starts one in 10 games.     The rest of the time is running and fielding replacement.    It has value but probably not much WAR difference between Granite and LaMarre in that SSS.

    To get down to the fine points, why would Granite start any game ahead of Rosario-Buxton-Kepler? The only answer I have is that Granite would give one of the three a day of rest, but they're all young so the number of days rest needed is pretty small. Sight unseen, I would think that LaMarre could on a few occasions be a better offensive alternative against a left handed pitcher than Kepler (and maybe Rosario). Realizing further that the downgrade in defense would be minor or non-existent (as compared to starting Grossman on a corner), I wonder if there is a place for LaMarre on the Opening Day roster.

     

    The drawback would be exposing another player when removing him from the 40-man (Vargas?). Is having someone who might be incrementally better vs. LH pitching worth exposing someone like Kennys Vargas? I don't know, but I really don't see much value in having Granite fill the same role.

    To get down to the fine points, why would Granite start any game ahead of Rosario-Buxton-Kepler? The only answer I have is that Granite would give one of the three a day of rest, but they're all young so the number of days rest needed is pretty small. Sight unseen, I would think that LaMarre could on a few occasions be a better offensive alternative against a left handed pitcher than Kepler (and maybe Rosario). Realizing further that the downgrade in defense would be minor or non-existent (as compared to starting Grossman on a corner), I wonder if there is a place for LaMarre on the Opening Day roster.

     

    The drawback would be exposing another player when removing him from the 40-man (Vargas?). Is having someone who might be incrementally better vs. LH pitching worth exposing someone like Kennys Vargas? I don't know, but I really don't see much value in having Granite fill the same role.

    Unless the Twins plan on having Vargas at the MLB level, he will have to be removed from the 40 man anyway.

    Whoa whoa WHOA.

     

    Grossman had a .770 OPS in the minors. Over his last three partial seasons, he had an OPS of:

     

    .914

    .703

    .823

     

    Ryan Lamarre, on the other hand. He had an OPS of .814 in 2016. That's swell.

     

    His career MiLB OPS? .719. His highest OPS outside 2016? Well, he had a .767 in rookie ball in 2010.

    Yes, those are the stats, but how do we know with 100% certainty that's the real Lamarre? He changed his swing all the time in the minors. All the time. He said it himself. Can you really get consistent results if you're always changing something as important as your swing?

     

    The guy would be sitting on the bench all but 1-2 games a week so I don't get why it's a big deal at all.

     

    If we're so fixated on past results, why aren't we slamming the LoMo signing as a fluke? A signing which I, and I'm sure you, love or at least like.

     

    Sample sizes are different, but results very similar.

    2014-2016 Logan Morrison .240/.311/.403 ISO .163 wRC+ 99

    2014-2016 Kennys Vargas .251/.309/.434 ISO .183 wRC+ 101

     

    Most people like the Morrison signing and want Vargas gone. Why aren't we discussing how bad it is to have LoMo? Because he's probably a different guy now. He's made changes. Lamarre may have too. I wouldn't mind seeing what Rowson could do with him.

     

    But again, I don't really care if it's Lamarre or Granite. Both are just bench guys. Neither will likely have a better season than any of our top three OF. Shouldn't matter which ones butt is warming the bench.

    Yes, those are the stats, but how do we know with 100% certainty that's the real Lamarre? He changed his swing all the time in the minors. All the time. He said it himself. Can you really get consistent results if you're always changing something as important as your swing?

     

    The guy would be sitting on the bench all but 1-2 games a week so I don't get why it's a big deal at all.

     

    If we're so fixated on past results, why aren't we slamming the LoMo signing as a fluke? A signing which I, and I'm sure you, love or at least like.

     

    Sample sizes are different, but results very similar.

    2014-2016 Logan Morrison .240/.311/.403 ISO .163 wRC+ 99

    2014-2016 Kennys Vargas .251/.309/.434 ISO .183 wRC+ 101

     

    Most people like the Morrison signing and want Vargas gone. Why aren't we discussing how bad it is to have LoMo? Because he's probably a different guy now. He's made changes. Lamarre may have too. I wouldn't mind seeing what Rowson could do with him.

     

    But again, I don't really care if it's Lamarre or Granite. Both are just bench guys. Neither will likely have a better season than any of our top three OF. Shouldn't matter which ones butt is warming the bench.

    You’re comparing Morrison’s altered approach that paid dividends over a full MLB season to Lamarre, who had ~50 really good plate appearances against rusty opponents, many of whom will either be waived or sent to the minors.

     

    Not really the same thing.

     

    And I’m not against taking a flyer on Lamarre, but I’m dead set against swapping him for Grossman, a guy who has shown he is a capable MLB player in games that matter.

    You’re comparing Morrison’s altered approach that paid dividends over a full MLB season to Lamarre, who had ~50 really good plate appearances against rusty opponents, many of whom will either be waived or sent to the minors.

    Not really the same thing.

    And I’m not against taking a flyer on Lamarre, but I’m dead set against swapping him for Grossman, a guy who has shown he is capable MLB player in games that matter.

    But what you're implying is that Lamarre can't make any changes to be better. That it's absolutely impossible. That's how it comes off at least.

     

    Adrianza was a very poor hitter prior to last year. He made swing changes and was able to hit near league average for a SS. People still don't want him on this team, though he seems to have turned a corner. Why is it impossible for Lamarre to improve? I'm not saying it's guaranteed he will improve but why is it impossible? You may be right. That the guy he was before is the guy he will always be, but you could also be wrong because he could change. Like Adrianza did. Like LoMo did.

     

    LoMo and Adrianza were given the MLB at bats. Why is Lamarre not allowed to get the same chance?

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    But what you're implying is that Lamarre can't make any changes to be better. That it's absolutely impossible. That's how it comes off at least.

    Adrianza was a very poor hitter prior to last year. He made swing changes and was able to hit near league average for a SS. People still don't want him on this team, though he seems to have turned a corner. Why is it impossible for Lamarre to improve? I'm not saying it's guaranteed he will improve but why is it impossible? You may be right. That the guy he was before is the guy he will always be, but you could also be wrong because he could change. Like Adrianza did. Like LoMo did.it allowed to get the same chance

     

    No, he's saying, and I'm saying, is that he's 29 and it is not LIKELY that he's good. You do realize his BABIP is twice what is realistic, in spring training, right?

     

    I think people here confuse likely with "certain" a lot. Brock isn't certain of anything, but he's talking about what is likely/probably.

     

    LoMo and Adrianza were given the MLB at bats. Why is Lamarre not allowed to get the same chance?

     

    Adrianza is still a poor hitter. He really only got at bats last year due to injury.

     

    In Adrianza's favor is that he plays a position that historically has accepted backups with poor bats if they have a good glove. 

     

    No, he's saying, and I'm saying, is that he's 29 and it is not LIKELY that he's good. You do realize his BABIP is twice what is realistic, in spring training, right?

     

    I think people here confuse likely with "certain" a lot. Brock isn't certain of anything, but he's talking about what is likely/probably.

    Im not hanging on to Lamarre spring training stats. And I'm not saying that's the reason why he should be called up. I was aware of his BABIP. I still wouldn't care if it's Granite or Lamarre because they're both not going to be contributing much. The Twins season is not going to be made or broken because of Granite or Lamarre.

     

    I just don't get that people are so completely against him being up. That's how I infer their position, at least. All I know is that I'm glad they gave Grossman a shot when everyone was against it, including me. No matter what his minor league stats said, his major league stats prior to the Twins were "meh". While he's not amazing, he's certainly way better than I expected. I'm glad they gave Adrianza a shot, which is one I was actually hoping they'd give a shot to and he delivered. There are some who still don't want him on this team after what he did last season, which I don't get.

     

    I'd be perfectly fine if Lamarre was in the minors. I'd be perfectly fine if Lamarre was in the majors. Like I said, I'd love to see what Rowson could do with him. Maybe nothing changes, but we'll never know if he never gets a shot.

    Edited by Twins33

    Adrianza is still a poor hitter. He really only got at bats last year due to injury.

     

    In Adrianza's favor is that he plays a position that historically has accepted backups with poor bats if they have a good glove.

     

    He hit near league average for a SS last year. How high are your expectations? Because that's all I hope for out of a SS. Good defense and somewhere near league average stats. That doesn't mean I don't want a SS who could hit like Trout, but it's about being realistic. I don't think league average for a SS is poor. Edited by Twins33

    The fact that we are talking about two 25-man spots confuses the conversation.  At least it's puzzling to me.  If the Twins are looking at this last spot being another outfielder, I can understand why they would consider LaMarre.  They're considering LaMarre simply because they (presumably) have the roster spot, and because they'd take almost any right-handed bat at this time over Granite.  So would I.

     

    On the other hand, what I expected is that the last spot would go to an infielder (who doesn't exist...at least yet).  If something happens along those lines, the 40-man spot is taken, and LaMarre is at Rochester along with Granite.  Unless you want our primary bench bat, and right-handed pinch-hitter and emergency DH to be LaMarre.  That would be truly ballsy on the part of the Twins.

     

    Who gets the starts/innings if one of the big three goes on the DL is a completely different discussion.

    He hit near league average for a SS last year. How high are your expectations? Because that's all I hope for out of a SS. Good defense and somewhere near league average stats. That doesn't mean I don't want a SS who could hit like Trout, but it's about being realistic. I don't think league average for a SS is poor.

    It just isn’t enough plate appearances to compare. Slash stats don’t stabilize until near a full season of at bats. The batting average part is over 900 ABs. There just isn’t enough sample to support a conclusion that he has the ability to be a league average hitter as a SS. His three measures where his sample might be meaningful are K%, BB% and ISO. His K% was good, BB% was OK and ISO was poor for a shortstop.

    It just isn’t enough plate appearances to compare. Slash stats don’t stabilize until near a full season of at bats. The batting average part is over 900 ABs. There just isn’t enough sample to support a conclusion that he has the ability to be a league average hitter as a SS. His three measures where his sample might be meaningful are K%, BB% and ISO. His K% was good, BB% was OK and ISO was poor for a shortstop.

    im not saying he can hit like that for a full season. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. I really don't know. The thing is, he did hit league average for 100 and whatever ABs. He did what he needed to do when called upon. That's fact.

     

    Again, all I expect out of a SS, no matter how many AB's it is, is league average offense for their position and good defense. And he provided that with the slash line. Anything more is icing on top.

    Edited by Twins33

     

    On this team he's a backup, or trade bait, or backup. Are we not supposed to have this conversation in context of the Twins? I am aware of KATOH thinks (and man we are going to miss seeing KATOH, sigh), but that's not in context of his value to the Twins.

    It would appear that one is not suposed to have a notion that you develop the players to their fullest extent




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