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    Has Waiting Out the Market Every Winter Been Successful for the Twins?


    Greggory Masterson

    In the eight offseasons since Derek Falvey took the helm in Minnesota, the Twins have averaged three major-league signings or trades after Feb. 1. All signs point to a similar late charge in 2025, but is it a good strategy?

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    There are a few reasons why waiting until late in the offseason to make moves can be seen as doing smart business. Some big names may fall through the cracks and have to settle for less money after their other (often more spendy) suiters have already run through their budgets. Suddenly, those big names have to decide whether they want to play for less money than expected or not play at all.

    But even if the names aren’t big, the same idea applies. Say 10 teams started the offseason looking for a back-end starter, and in February, eight of the fifteen free back-end starter agents had already signed. Those last seven players are trying to get jobs with the last two teams. Those two teams now get to grab their favorite at the right price.

    The same happens with trades. Your veteran might be worth a little more when the free-agent pool gets thin. Conversely, a team desperate to shed salary might be more willing to give you their guy at a bargain. It’s all a push and pull, and being patient can open the door to deals that weren’t possible in December.

    But there is a downside. If you’ve had the privilege of picking over the last seven back-end starters in free agency, you might need to ask yourself why these seven, specifically, fell to you. Sure, you can pick the best of them, but even at a discount, are they actually a better deal than going out and getting your guy before Christmas?

    Let’s review the 24 February and March acquisitions that Falvey and Co. have made since 2017.

    2017: The Matt Belisle Year (slight success)
    I almost left this year off because the pattern truly didn’t start until the following offseason. It was Falvey’s first season, and they signed Belisle as a setup-ish pitcher for $2.05 million. He had a solid year, so it was a success, but probably only in spirit.

    2018: The Messy Year (failure with one bright spot)
    This is the year that could have scared a lot of GMs off this strategy. The headliners everyone thinks of when 2018 comes up are Lance Lynn and Logan Morrison. Lynn signed a one-year, $12-million deal on Mar. 10. Morrison signed a one-year, $6.5-million contract two weeks earlier, on Feb. 25.

    Lynn was one of the top pitchers on the market, but because of a historically bad year for free agents, he needed Minnesota’s paltry offer. Morrison was coming off a breakout 2017 campaign, but he still didn’t get the market he expected. Both players were described as disgruntled, and their on-field performance matched those rumors. Lynn had his worst year as a pro before being traded at midseason, and Morrison basically played his way out of baseball in 2018.

    The strategy did work to some extent, as they signed starting pitcher Anibal Sánchez a week before Morrison on Feb. 17, and he had two very good years in 2018 and 2019—just not for the Twins. Compounding the error of signing Lynn, the Twins cut Sánchez a month after signing him to clear roster space for Lynn.

    The true bright spot was their trade for Jake Odorizzi. The Twins had been going back and forth with the Rays, negotiating a deal to acquire a starting pitcher for much of the offseason. When the Twins truly had a need arise (an Ervin Santana injury), they pulled the trigger, sending Jermaine Palacios to Tampa Bay in what was largely a salary dump for their trading partners.

    Odorizzi was a consistent force in the rotation through 2019, and the Feb. 18 trade is one of the crown jewels of Falvey’s tenure. Sometimes, being patient and getting the right deal for a guy you want does pay off. Beyond that, still having resources to add when needs arise late in the offseason (both prospect and monetary capital) is beneficial.

    Also, they traded Luis Gil for Jake Cave on Mar. 16, another opportunistic failure—the Yankees needed to clear 40-man roster space and Cave was on the chopping block. We all know how this one turned out.

    2019: The Marwin González Year (success)
    González was still sitting around after spring training had started. On Feb. 22, he signed a two-year, $21-million deal. There were question marks around Miguel Sanó following a miserable year and an offseason injury that would keep him out of the lineup for the season's first two months.

    In reflecting on the disastrous 2018 season, Falvey and Levine had specifically mentioned feeling they were overbalanced with players on one-year deals, particularly because Lynn and Morrison came in somewhat unhappy. Between those two and Brian Dozier, the front office felt they had allowed a "mercenary" mentality to overtake the clubhouse. Many assumed that would be the end of the Twins backstopping the market for high-profile free agents, but instead, they plunged right back into the same waters one year later.

    The difference was that they gave their quarry a multi-year deal this time. González made some money, likely less than he’d hoped, but filled a role. This one probably wasn’t as intentional as others on the list, because it was spurred by a late need arising, but they probably couldn’t have gotten González for that price any earlier than they did. It's somewhat similar to the Odorizzi trade.

    2020: The Maeda-Betts-Graterol Debacle (slight success)
    A team preferring opportunism doesn’t preclude them from getting a little fixated on their guy. Initially, a deal that sent Mookie Betts and David Price to Los Angeles, Kenta Maeda to Minnesota, and Brusdar Graterol and Dodger prospects to Boston broke down over the Red Sox's concerns about Graterol. The three teams then arranged their moves separately. Instead of Boston, Graterol was sent to Los Angeles on Feb. 9, along with Luke Raley and a competitive balance pick, for Maeda, Jair Camargo and $10 million.

    Maeda had a solid run in Minnesota, including a Cy Young runner-up abbreviated season in 2020, but he also lost significant time to injury. Graterol has been a very good reliever when healthy, but you generally take a good starter over a great reliever.

    2021: The Freakin’ Offseason (failure with one bright spot)
    Sometimes, even the most low-risk purchases can be devastating. On Feb. 3 and 15, the Twins signed Alex Colomé and Matt Shoemaker, respectively, for a combined $8.5 million. Similar to Lynn and Morrison, it’s not entirely unfounded to point at these two as a significant reason that the Twins had the season that they did. At times, picking over the leftovers only returns leftovers.

    Nelson Cruz also came back for his third year in Minnesota, signing Feb. 3. He put together a good first half, well worth the $13 million investment, and he was the centerpiece in the trade that brought Joe Ryan to Minnesota at the trade deadline. In this case, gambling and waiting worked, as Cruz had limited suiters despite a terrific 2019 and 2020.

    Also, they traded LaMonte Wade Jr. for Shaun Anderson on Feb. 5. This might have been a case of waiting too long to decide on a trade that the team knew it “needed” to make (after choosing Cave over Wade as their fourth outfielder). However, I'm not sure if it counts.

    2022: The Lockout Year (definitely doesn’t count)
    It’d be a little disingenuous to include these moves in their “wait it out” plans, because everyone was waiting it out. The league had a months-long freeze on any transactions over a labor dispute, so every team made a flurry of moves in March. In order, the Twins traded Mitch Garver for Isiah Kiner-Falefa and Ronny Henriquez; traded Chase Petty for Sonny Gray and Francis Peguero; traded Kiner-Falefa, Josh Donaldson, and Ben Rortvedt for Gary Sánchez and Gio Urshela; signed Carlos Correa; signed Joe Smith; and signed Chris Archer in a span of 16 days in March. If we remove the seven trades and signings this year, the team has still averaged 2.4 February-or-later moves per offseason, or 2.7 if you also throw out 2017.

    I will isolate one trade that shows just how long Falvey is willing to wait for a “good deal.” On Opening Day, Apr. 7, he completed a trade, sending Taylor Rogers, Brent Rooker, and $6 million to San Diego for Chris Paddack and Emilio Pagán. By that point, Falvey had been shopping Rogers for something close to eight months, and he finally got a deal he saw as good on the first day of the season. We don’t need to get into all the details, but this one is mixed, to say the least, with ardent critics and defenders on both sides. I'm sure some will show up in these very comments.

    2023: The Donnie Barrels Year (success)
    Honestly, Donovan Solano is probably the best bang-for-your-buck player on this 31-player list. At just $2 million, the Feb. 22 signing was brought in as infield depth and a bench righty. He ended up with the third-most plate appearances on the team, was one of the most consistent bats in the lineup for the full year, and really excelled as a pinch-hitter. If the Twins could hit on another one like this in 2025, it’d go a long way.

    2024: Ballin’ on a Budget (failure, with one success)
    Days after dumping Jorge Polanco’s contract to Seattle (which happened in late January, so it didn’t make the cut here), the Twins reallocated his money to Carlos Santana on Feb. 3 ($5.25 million) and Jay Jackson on Feb. 4 ($1.5 million). Santana worked, effectively a step up from Solano with a slightly greater payday. Jackson didn’t. But that’s what happens when you’re constrained to filling holes with the $6 million cleared from your starting second baseman’s trade.

    They essentially did a salary swap with Miami, flipping Nick Gordon for Steven Okert, a trade that had no winners. Then they spent the last $4 million earmarked for outfield help on a trade for Manuel Margot, prospect Rayne Doncon, and cash, sending Noah Miller to Los Angeles. I sure hope Doncon pans out.


    This is the new way of the MLB offseason. The Twins aren't alone in taking this approach; they just stretch the strategy toward an extreme other teams are more reluctant to reach. The results are often decent; that's why waiting things out has become such a popular paradigm.

    The crime of which they're guilty isn't being dumb; it's being uninspiring and underwhelming. Top free agents will always sign early, and blockbuster trades nearly always happen in November and December. Confining themselves to February means voluntarily losing the winter in an effort to win the summer and fall. Again, all 30 teams are increasingly comfortable with that. The Falvey front office is just more patient (and more willing to underwhelm you, if it comes to that) than most.

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    1 hour ago, NeverSeenATwinsPlayoffWin said:

    It's not Falvey's fault that the Twins enter the offseason every year with $20M to spend.

    Maybe it is the FO fault, because the haven't been very good at developing starting players? I am not defending the owners in any way but it might be easier to spend money if the cheap guys (drafted/traded) where better? (There have been a few, Duran, Jax, Ryan, Jeffers? and Ober) but everybody is still kind of waiting on what is Lewis, Larnach, Wallner, Martin, Julien, Miranda, Lee, Festa, Matthews, and on and on.

    Last year the Twins could have cut/saved over 16 million simply by not picking up Polanco and Farmer. Told Larnach or Wallner (I would have preferred Larnach) to get a first basemen glove and that they were going to platoon with Miranda until one proved better. Started the season with the starters being Wallner/Buxton/Kepler/Lewis/CC/Julien/Jeffers/Wallner/AK(DH)

    Bench - Martin/Castro/Vazquez/Miranda,

    Used some of the 16 million to improve the offense before the season or the money at the trade deadline.

    Instead they spent the money on Santana, Topa, Margot, and DeSclafani.

    Lets praise this FO for being creative shall we.

    37 minutes ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    Used some of the 16 million to improve the offense before the season or the money at the trade deadline.

    Instead they spent the money on Santana, Topa, Margot, and DeSclafani.

    The Dodgers spent twice that amount of money on players who weren't on the 2024 roster last year. So did the Yankees. The Mets spent five times that amount. Even the cash-strapped Guardians spent twice that amount on Jean Segura, Scott Barlow, Ramon Laureano, and Shane Bieber last season. Those are your four championship series teams, you'd be hard-pressed to complain about those clubs being inefficient in their use of $16M.

    I'm pretty sure Carlos Santana was worth more than $16M to the Twins last year. Overall, those four players contributed a combined 1.8 bWAR, which is $8.89M/bWAR which is good. Without Santana manning 1B last year, I don't think we would have gotten into September with a realistic chance of going to the playoffs.

    The difference between our club and those clubs is that we're in a position where the front office is being chastised for turning $16M (which they had to create by trading away Polanco) into 1.8 bWAR, and three of those four clubs are spending $160M/year every offseason on new free agents. 

     

    But you were analytical before analytics were a thing!  When you played your "seasons" back in the day you and I were both stats-nerds.  Is it just Falvey you don't trust?  Or, is it more Rocco with the way he makes daily decisions?

    37 minutes ago, tony&rodney said:

    Please no Laurenao, Grichuk, Rizzo, Canha, Turner, Merrifield, etc. None of these guys will suddenly be the 2019 versions.

    I honestly don't think you'll have anything to worry about in that regard tony. I believe the roster is pretty set. The only real question is who gets the final bench spot. Hellman or Kiersey? Or who will get cut if they think Emrod is ready. Martin or Julien? A hunch tells me that they have made the big move that many have been clamoring for. That was the trade for Gasper. I think Gasper is ahead in the cut pecking order of Kiersey, Hellman, Julien and Martin. The way I'm seeing it through their eyes is that Gasper platoons at 1B. Is an emergency C. Fills in at 2B at times and gets some of the reps in COF as a RH bat. I also see the Gasper thing as Falvey's at least once yearly need to see himself as the smartest man in the room. He has an ego that gets in his way and if he would get it out of his way I think he could actually be really really good at what he does.

    2 hours ago, NeverSeenATwinsPlayoffWin said:

    ...It's not Falvey's fault that the Twins enter the offseason every year with $20M to spend.

    Yes, it 100% is Falvey's fault considering the Twins have run a $120-150MM payroll for years and years now. Why does Falvey only have $20MM to spend at a payroll higher than 3 of the other 4 teams in the division?

    It is pretty difficult to refute that the Twins haven't made a lot of amazing last minute additions to the team by waiting out the market in the past few years, but I would argue that no one else has either - at least not while shopping in the same budget range as the Twins.  They have had a few successes though, so I suppose they have played that game about as well as anybody else has.  If the Twins had the budget to go after higher levels of free agents or be more willing to take on larger salaries, it would be much simpler to acquire players of impact for the team.  However, given their current situation, I really doubt that the reason for their lack of success is a lack of strategic timing.  It's $$$.

    I think 2022 definitely counts. Free Agency started at the beginning of The lockout didn't start until December while free agency began more than a month earlier. Tons of players were signed before the lockout.

    1 hour ago, tony&rodney said:

    Please no Laurenao, Grichuk, Rizzo, Canha, Turner, Merrifield, etc. None of these guys will suddenly be the 2019 versions.ror

    Signing guys like them is counter productive.  It's DeScalfina level dumb.  It's just throwing money away which they can't afford

    51 minutes ago, NeverSeenATwinsPlayoffWin said:

    The Dodgers spent twice that amount of money on players who weren't on the 2024 roster last year. So did the Yankees. The Mets spent five times that amount. Even the cash-strapped Guardians spent twice that amount on Jean Segura, Scott Barlow, Ramon Laureano, and Shane Bieber last season. Those are your four championship series teams, you'd be hard-pressed to complain about those clubs being inefficient in their use of $16M.

    I'm pretty sure Carlos Santana was worth more than $16M to the Twins last year. Overall, those four players contributed a combined 1.8 bWAR, which is $8.89M/bWAR which is good. Without Santana manning 1B last year, I don't think we would have gotten into September with a realistic chance of going to the playoffs.

    The difference between our club and those clubs is that we're in a position where the front office is being chastised for turning $16M (which they had to create by trading away Polanco) into 1.8 bWAR, and three of those four clubs are spending $160M/year every offseason on new free agents. 

     

    So yes excuse the the FO for picking up salaries they didn't need to, because of what the Yanks, Dodgers, Mets and Guardians did, that doesn't even make sense.

    They could have signed Santana without picking them up and still had spent 10 million less, and maybe or maybe not they Twins could have had a chance with him, I think it is just as likely to say without Margot, Farmer and the money spent on the Polanco trade they could have been in a better position.

    My point in my first post was that because this FO hasn't developed enough viable starters (Or given them a chance to be viable) they are being forced to fill those needs with FA money instead of using the money saved from viable Pre Arb players on starter quality players. That was understandable (kind of) their first few years here because of what they inherited from the previous FO but they have been here long enough that it should be required drafted players or players traded for (Ryan and Duran for example) are filling more needs. If this FO was working for the Mets, Yanks, Dodgers it probably would be enough because of their resources to fill needs, but they don't they work for the Twins!

    2 hours ago, thelanges5 said:

    Vázquez, Paddack, and Castro are worth more to us than other teams. No one out there worth spending FA $$ on. (In our price range)️

    Paddack has negative worth to the Twins. The kids in AAA are probably better. Trading him is addition by subtraction.

    3 hours ago, TwinsDr2021 said:

    Maybe it is the FO fault, because the haven't been very good at developing starting players? I am not defending the owners in any way but it might be easier to spend money if the cheap guys (drafted/traded) where better? (There have been a few, Duran, Jax, Ryan, Jeffers? and Ober) but everybody is still kind of waiting on what is Lewis, Larnach, Wallner, Martin, Julien, Miranda, Lee, Festa, Matthews, and on and on.

    Last year the Twins could have cut/saved over 16 million simply by not picking up Polanco and Farmer. Told Larnach or Wallner (I would have preferred Larnach) to get a first basemen glove and that they were going to platoon with Miranda until one proved better. Started the season with the starters being Wallner/Buxton/Kepler/Lewis/CC/Julien/Jeffers/Wallner/AK(DH)

    Bench - Martin/Castro/Vazquez/Miranda,

    Used some of the 16 million to improve the offense before the season or the money at the trade deadline.

    Instead they spent the money on Santana, Topa, Margot, and DeSclafani.

    Lets praise this FO for being creative shall we.

    I hear ya ... but all of this is marginal compared to the top markets.  How much did the Dodgers payroll go up this year?  These marginal moves are highly unlikely to keep pace with what the top revenue teams spend.  Spending another $30M/year is a poor solution to catching teams spending an incremental $150M. 

    The revenue gap has to be addressed in the next CBA and that will get ugly.  No-way the players accept a cap.  Last time they dug in hard on the amount they wanted the Luxury Tax increased because the big market teams having way more money means $300M+ deals.    A model that spreads the money out is feasible but sharing would mean lower revenue teams would have more to spend.  Those teams would still be less likely to give out the really giant deals.  It would probably mean more money for the middle tier free agents and that has not been the union's focus.  At least that's what it looks like.

    1 minute ago, Major League Ready said:

    I hear ya ... but all of this is marginal compared to the top markets.  How much did the Dodgers payroll go up this year?  These marginal moves are highly unlikely to keep pace with what the top revenue teams spend.  Spending another $30M/year is a poor solution to catching teams spending an incremental $150M. 

    The revenue gap has to be addressed in the next CBA and that will get ugly.  No-way the players accept a cap.  Last time they dug in hard on the amount they wanted the Luxury Tax increased because the big market teams having way more money means $300M+ deals.    A model that spreads the money out is feasible but sharing would mean lower revenue teams would have more to spend.  Those teams would still be less likely to give out the really giant deals.  It would probably mean more money for the middle tier free agents and that has not been the union's focus.  At least that's what it looks like.

    Maybe the middle tier guys need to start raising a stink or form their own union.  The top 10-20 players totally running the union isn't such a great deal for mid or lower level guys.

    11 minutes ago, Major League Ready said:

    It would probably mean more money for the middle tier free agents and that has not been the union's focus.

    8 minutes ago, Parfigliano said:

    Maybe the middle tier guys need to start raising a stink or form their own union.  The top 10-20 players totally running the union isn't such a great deal for mid or lower level guys.

    This implies that there's not a lot of money for the middle tier guys right now. That comes as a surprise for Joc Pederson (2yrs/$37M), Frankie Montas (2yrs/$34M), Matthew Boyd (2yrs/$29M), Clay Holmes (3yrs/$38M), Tyler O'Neill (3yrs/$49M) etc, etc, etc. 

    And this hasn't really changed in 15 years. They top tier get looks at 5+ year deals while the second tier guys have to settle for 2-3 years. In 2010 that meant the Twins signing Carl Pavano for 2 yrs $16.5M, and that contract value seems to have about doubled in that time. 

    Unless we're looking at a tier below that, then we're looking at a player like Josh Bell getting $6M for 1 year, compared to someone like Jim Thome getting $3M for 1 year. 

    I just see no evidence, none whatsoever, that the top players getting paid their fair value has hurt players below them. 

    1 hour ago, DJL44 said:

    Paddack has negative worth to the Twins. The kids in AAA are probably better. Trading him is addition by subtraction.

    Paddack + FCL pitcher type for Mountcastle. We need hitting and the O’s need pitching  

    The frustration of these late to no attempts to improve the team overwhelm the late moves if any. To be holy crap my team signed so and so. Compared to my team finally did something is significant when it comes to fan base enthusiasm and ticket sales.

    2 hours ago, bean5302 said:

    Yes, it 100% is Falvey's fault considering the Twins have run a $120-150MM payroll for years and years now. Why does Falvey only have $20MM to spend at a payroll higher than 3 of the other 4 teams in the division?

    Do the other teams in the division have more than $20M/year to spend every offseason? I must be missing something because save for last year's Royals' spending spree, I don't know any teams (besides the CWS) in the division who enter November every year $20M in the black.

    I would argue that the Twins have a very sustainable payroll structure. Correa, Buxton, and Lopez make a combined ~$75M. Then you have ~$25M invested in role players with one year left like Vazquez, Paddack, Castro, and Alcala. That leaves all of the guys in Arb or Pre-Arb making ~$30M.

    Every team in our division has that same model. 50%-60% on three or four stars, 20%-35% on short-term, cheap veteran deals and Arb3 players, and the rest on controllable young players. The Cardinals, Reds, Mariners, and Brewers all have the same pay structure as well. The year the Diamondbacks won the NL pennant, they also followed this payroll structure. It's the way mid-market teams operate with any realistic chance of success.

    We've been unable to do anything the last couple of offseasons, because the 2024 and 2025 budgets were/are $25M less than the 2023 budget. The Pohlads essentially forced the front office to give up their free agency budget. Being 4.5 wins away from a playoff spot, I'm almost certain that a Sonny Gray, Teoscar Hernandez, Sean Manaea, Jack Flaherty, or Joc Pederson would have made up the 4.5 game difference for the Twins last year. I have a feeling that we'll be having similar conversations about Walker/Santander/Scott/O'Neill/Pederson next offseason. 

    10 hours ago, PatPfund said:

    Like this, because it gives some solid perspective. But... You can't totally discount the lockout year, because several teams DID act early in making deals before the league shuttered transactions. Plus, "top free agents" don't always sign early; ask Bregman about that, or some Boras clients who waited until late, then settled for short contracts with opt-outs. The deadline also fits today's date, but the pressure starts before Feb 1; the Twins essentially scored Carlos Correa twice by waiting (the Boras thing, then after the big spenders backed out, on Carlos's current deal).

    It is also worth looking around at others playing the game; the Twins COULD have signed Lorenzen last year for roughly Margot money, and they likely win the division if they do (he pitched well was flipped for assets at the trade deadline, and then helped another team in our division make the playoffs). 

    Lorenzo was a starting pitcher , but what about puk for relief , puk a lefthanded reliever and with some control ,,

    The front office hasn't made the right decision at a deadline yet ...

    2022 they had no reason to believe the twins were contenders but made trades that didn't work out , and alot of us fans knew it ...

      now they begin being gun shy , 2023 we are a much better team and we don't make the push to be better and sit and do nothing  , 2024 we are 17 games over approximately at the deadline and again we do nothing and we know how the season  turned and finished out ...

    When are we going to have some qualified intelligent people working in our system  , I will not cut this FO any slack , nor the manager  , they are not qualified to contruct a winning team , they are qualified to construct a limited payroll team   ...

    This current FO  has been given an opportunity with a larger payroll  than Ryan  , I still have respect for Ryan  ...

    Have a nice day ...

    Go twins , and all we can hope for is finishing 3rd or 4th in the division  ...

     

     

    3 hours ago, NeverSeenATwinsPlayoffWin said:

    Do the other teams in the division have more than $20M/year to spend every offseason? I must be missing something because save for last year's Royals' spending spree, I don't know any teams (besides the CWS) in the division who enter November every year $20M in the black...

    Oh, here I was thinking you were complaining the Twins didn't spend enough, and because the Twins didn't spend enough, that hamstrung Falvey to a lowly $20MM of free cash.

    The Twins have lost money since 2019. They were massively in the red in 2020, barely scraped by in 2021, massively in the red again in 2022, scraped by in 2023, and I don't know the estimated end results in 2024.

    Rawr!!!!!

    13 hours ago, NYCTK said:

    This implies that there's not a lot of money for the middle tier guys right now. That comes as a surprise for Joc Pederson (2yrs/$37M), Frankie Montas (2yrs/$34M), Matthew Boyd (2yrs/$29M), Clay Holmes (3yrs/$38M), Tyler O'Neill (3yrs/$49M) etc, etc, etc. 

    And this hasn't really changed in 15 years. They top tier get looks at 5+ year deals while the second tier guys have to settle for 2-3 years. In 2010 that meant the Twins signing Carl Pavano for 2 yrs $16.5M, and that contract value seems to have about doubled in that time. 

    Unless we're looking at a tier below that, then we're looking at a player like Josh Bell getting $6M for 1 year, compared to someone like Jim Thome getting $3M for 1 year. 

    I just see no evidence, none whatsoever, that the top players getting paid their fair value has hurt players below them. 

    That is because you are not looking at the players who have not produced with the large contracts 

    16 hours ago, bean5302 said:

    Yes, it 100% is Falvey's fault considering the Twins have run a $120-150MM payroll for years and years now. Why does Falvey only have $20MM to spend at a payroll higher than 3 of the other 4 teams in the division?

    They don't have much to spend because they signed Correa, Lopez, and Buxton in previous years.  Would you prefer they had not signed them?  We also had quite a bit in arbitration increases.   

    The Twins are spending $84M this year on players that were extended or signed as free agents.  Also, TV revenue went down by $20M compared to the years they had higher payroll.  We could say it's Falvey's fault for signing Correa but it sure seems like most people here were very much in favor of that signing and the idea of trading him this off-season to make payroll room was very unpopular.   

    20 hours ago, Parfigliano said:

    Signing guys like them is counter productive.  It's DeScalfina level dumb.  It's just throwing money away which they can't afford

    Grichuck was a 2 war player last year as a part time platoon player, rh pinch hitter. If he could have maintained that while getting Margot’s playing time he would have come out as the Twin’s best player. How would have that been counter productive? 

    5 hours ago, old nurse said:

    That is because you are not looking at the players who have not produced with the large contracts 

    Eh, I guess there could be an argument for a maximum deal length like the NBA, but the AAV will just jump up as a result. Soto would probably be something like a 5 year $350 million contract.

    Does that help the middle tier guys? 

    5 hours ago, USAFChief said:

    HA!! Good one.

    The best sources on the information show it. If you have a more reputable source than Forbes/Statista, please provide it.

    The blind fan rage and jealousy gets so old for me.

    7 hours ago, Major League Ready said:

    They don't have much to spend because they signed Correa, Lopez, and Buxton in previous years.  Would you prefer they had not signed them?  We also had quite a bit in arbitration increases.   

    The Twins are spending $84M this year on players that were extended or signed as free agents.  Also, TV revenue went down by $20M compared to the years they had higher payroll.  We could say it's Falvey's fault for signing Correa but it sure seems like most people here were very much in favor of that signing and the idea of trading him this off-season to make payroll room was very unpopular.   

    I'm not the one complaining about it. You've missed the mark on my posts again.




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