Luis Arraez Traded

[Hawkeye Bean Counter]

Arraez was traded to Philly for Marquez - who will likely be in the top 100 by the end of the year.  He has dominated A and high A as a 20 year old.   This is why I think we should trade Jeffers.  Jeffers has more value than Arraez,  and can guarantee a top 100 player or help for the team rather an end of the 1st draft pick which is a 50/50 proposition.  

[clone52]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye Bean Counter said:

Arraez was traded to Philly for Marquez - who will likely be in the top 100 by the end of the year.  He has dominated A and high A as a 20 year old.   This is why I think we should trade Jeffers.  Jeffers has more value than Arraez,  and can guarantee a top 100 player or help for the team rather an end of the 1st draft pick which is a 50/50 proposition.  

SF isn't shooting for the playoffs.  The Twins are.  You don't trade Jeffers unless you also trade for a replacement.

 

[Hawkeye Bean Counter]

1 minute ago, clone52 said:

SF isn't shooting for the playoffs.  The Twins are.  You don't trade Jeffers unless you also trade for a replacement.

 

Jeffers is tough for me.  You can get a qualifying pick or you can get a top 100 prospect.  Lets be real this team isn't going anywhere.   They might slip into the playoffs and thats it and I would put that at less than 15%.  Their bullpen has overperformed in July, the bats are slowing down, and the starting pitching is getting wore out.  We have catching depth.  I would be fine with selling Jeffers and then buying a few more pieces.   

[S Bart]

Dodgers website states Alex Call , Burnsville native is in the mix for a Twins trade

[clone52]

4 minutes ago, S Bart said:

Dodgers website states Alex Call , Burnsville native is in the mix for a Twins trade

Would be a good get.  Mashes lefties.

[Hawkeye Bean Counter]

4 minutes ago, S Bart said:

Dodgers website states Alex Call , Burnsville native is in the mix for a Twins trade

This has been the rumor mill for a while.  This is a really low floor move.  

[Mike Sixel]

10 minutes ago, S Bart said:

Dodgers website states Alex Call , Burnsville native is in the mix for a Twins trade

Mind. Boggling. Truly. 

[clone52]

6 minutes ago, Mike Sixel said:

Mind. Boggling. Truly. 

A right handed OF that mashes lefties is mind boggling?  Isn't that a big need in the Twins OF?

[Mike Sixel]

4 minutes ago, clone52 said:

A right handed OF that mashes lefties is mind boggling?  Isn't that a big need in the Twins OF?

Platoon bats don't move the needle. Especially short side ones. He might play 25 percent of the games, so like 15-20. So, yes, to me? I don't like it at all. 

[clone52]

1 minute ago, Mike Sixel said:

Platoon bats don't move the needle. Especially short side ones. He might play 25 percent of the games, so like 15-20. So, yes, to me? I don't like it at all. 

Depends on the trade, but he is a much better fit than Roden, thats for sure.

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, clone52 said:

Depends on the trade, but he is a much better fit than Roden, thats for sure.

We likely won't agree.

[Mike Sixel]

The beauty of Call is he's under control for years, and a below average hitter overall, so he can block other guys for years ! He's also 31, so likely approaching decline years. 

[ashbury]

37 minutes ago, S Bart said:

Dodgers website states Alex Call , Burnsville native is in the mix for a Twins trade

Old?  Unplayable against righties?

[Mike Sixel]

2 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Old?  Unplayable against righties?

He's also not a good fielder. 

[ashbury]

14 minutes ago, clone52 said:

Depends on the trade, but he is a much better fit than Roden, thats for sure.

The more I've seen of Roden the more last year's trade baffles me.  So for me that's not a comp.

[nicksaviking]

44 minutes ago, clone52 said:

Would be a good get.  Mashes lefties.

Then they can get him off the waiver wire when the Dodgers release him tomorrow.

A 32-year-old platoon player shouldn't be on the roster at all when there is higher caliber talent that is already over due for a promotion. And a guy with 1 HR on the season isn't "mashing" anything.

[Mike Sixel]

1 minute ago, nicksaviking said:

Then they can get him off the waiver wire when the Dodgers release him tomorrow.

A 32-year-old platoon player shouldn't be on the roster at all when there is higher caliber talent that is already over due for a promotion. And a guy with 1 HR on the season isn't "mashing" anything.

One home run. 

[clone52]

25 minutes ago, nicksaviking said:

Then they can get him off the waiver wire when the Dodgers release him tomorrow.

A 32-year-old platoon player shouldn't be on the roster at all when there is higher caliber talent that is already over due for a promotion. And a guy with 1 HR on the season isn't "mashing" anything.

If you can get him off waivers, great.  Do we have a right handed OF waiting in the wings to be a bench guy?  Maybe we do that I missed.

.900 OPS against lefties this year.  .768 for his career.

Trot Keaschall, Buxton, Jenkins out there everyday as starters and having Call off the bench wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

[Jim H]

The problem against left-handed pitching comes from Buxton and Jeffers being out so much in June and July plus the 3 switch hitters being bad against left handers. Adding a lefty masher doesn't really fix anything if you are going to continue to play Bell and Caratini against lefthanders and bat them in the middle of the lineup. Martin and Keashall are actually pretty good against lefthanders, so adding another right handed hitter makes little sense to me, when the only place he can play is corner outfield.

If you are batting Buxton and Jeffers at the top of the order,  a large problem for the Twins all year has been the mushy middle of the lineup. It was masked in June when Clemens, Caratini and Bell all got hot together. But really the only hitter who has resembled a middle of the order hitter this year is Clemens and he has been pretty streaky.

I really agree with many, in that I would like to see at one of supposed premium prospects promoted and installed in the middle of the lineup. I want to see whoever is promoted playing pretty much everyday against both lefthanders and right handers.

 Unless Buxton gets healthy and Jeffers is still here, most of what the Twins, might do, and have already done at the deadline won't matter much. The defense is still shaky, the bullpen will not become dominant, all the injured starters won't be coming back this year to save the Twins.

The best thing about the Twins this year is they play hard and are generally fun to watch. I hope they make the playoffs but the front office should be most concerned about building a  better team without so many holes and limitations.

[RpR]

WOW, all this chatter and Arraez is not mentioned.

[S Bart]

2 hours ago, ashbury said:

Old?  Unplayable against righties?

Well...not going to get a person who hits both sides great...

[Mike Sixel]

Just now, S Bart said:

Well...not going to get a person who hits both sides great...

Then why trade for them? And, he's a bad defender. 

[S Bart]

Just now, Mike Sixel said:

Then why trade for them?

Well...why make any trades at all..great at lefties.. then..I think the fanbase will be upset at the end of the day...they will not show the money ..

[S Bart]

3 hours ago, Hawkeye Bean Counter said:

This has been the rumor mill for a while.  This is a really low floor move.  

Low floor is what the Twins do at this stage..$$$ is the name of the game

[ashbury]

22 minutes ago, S Bart said:

Well...not going to get a person who hits both sides great...

Austin Martin already fills the role at corner outfield, with similar stats vs lefties across the past two seasons

[S Bart]

18 minutes ago, ashbury said:

Austin Martin already fills the role at corner outfield, with similar stats vs lefties across the past two seasons

Well...probably best not to make any.moves...just stand pat...Realistically.. this is a 500 level team at best....I enjoy Game by game...Phillies...Brewers..Braves on the horizon...all making solid trades and spending 💰...