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ScottyB · July 24, 2013

Are we really recalling Butera while Joe's on paternity leave? Hopefully it's just one last time and he'll be thrown in into whatever trade Ryan can make. Let's not give Gardy a chance to use him. Thank god Herrmann had the big hit last night and that Butera got no sleep last night flying out to the west coast so Gardy won't be tempted to start Butera today. If he doesn't want Herrmann catching a day game after a late night, swap Dooms and Herrmann as catcher and RF.

matthew0211 · July 24, 2013

Most teams don't carry three catchers. Most teams don't carry two backup middle infielders. Most teams don't carry 13 pitchers. Most teams have more than two professional outfielders on their rosters. Yet our Twins... this is what they look like today.

Even though Florimon and Carroll came through last night, how nice would it have been to have real options on the bench to pinch-hit in the late innings for one or both of them. Instead, the options on the bench are now Butera, Carroll, and Bernier. What atrocious roster management. Is this on the manager or the GM?

Rosterman · July 24, 2013

Bring back Thome! And, get ready for the return of Nick Blackburn. By the way, aren't we paying Butera something like $700,000 this year!

MichiganTwins · July 24, 2013

I thought Arcia was coming up. I thought I read that but not sure.

Craig Arko · July 24, 2013

Was reeeaaaly hoping for Arcia.

NC-Twins · July 24, 2013

Rhett speculated that Arcia being pulled was related to Mauer heading back to MN to be with his wife. Later, there were reports that it may have been dizziness. However, it is now being reported that it wasn't injury related and the scuttlebutt is that he was pulled for not running out a play.

And, in response to an earlier post, YES, bring back Thome! He doesn't hit worse than Willingham. Though we don't exactly need to be more left-handed than we already are, we don't have anybody providing reliable power from the left side. He also wouldn't ruin our speed game because we don't have one.

matthew0211 · July 24, 2013

"There was speculation that Oswaldo Arcia would get the call, but Gardenhire mentioned that Arcia was removed from Tuesday's game for not running a ball out." - LEN3

Postgame: Twins getting a little swagger back | StarTribune.com

NC-Twins · July 24, 2013

I'd rather see Redmond come out of retirement. It was a mistake to trade him if for reasons none other than the psyche of the clubhouse. Plus, he should be our next manager anyway.

Willihammer · July 24, 2013

Arcia 0-1 with a K. So he didn't run out a strikeout.

Scoreboard | MiLB.com Scoreboard | The Official Site of Minor League Baseball

Oi.

Brad Swanson · July 24, 2013

I once saw Drew Butera at the bank. True story.

Bark's Lounge · July 24, 2013

It's these kind of situations that motivate me to preach to people to not have children.

howieramone1406390264 · July 24, 2013

Most teams don't carry three catchers. Most teams don't carry two backup middle infielders. Most teams don't carry 13 pitchers. Most teams have more than two professional outfielders on their rosters. Yet our Twins... this is what they look like today.

Even though Florimon and Carroll came through last night, how nice would it have been to have real options on the bench to pinch-hit in the late innings for one or both of them. Instead, the options on the bench are now Butera, Carroll, and Bernier. What atrocious roster management. Is this on the manager or the GM?

I try to give the FO a little leeway every time Joe has kids.

powrwrap · July 24, 2013

Most teams don't carry three catchers. Most teams don't carry two backup middle infielders. Most teams don't carry 13 pitchers. Most teams have more than two professional outfielders on their rosters. Yet our Twins... this is what they look like today.

And most teams with more than two professional outfielders have veteran professional outfielders.

Instead, the options on the bench are now Butera, Carroll, and Bernier. What atrocious roster management. Is this on the manager or the GM?

I suppose in late innings situations and you need to make an out (read: put down a sacrifice bunt), here's your guys. Thanks Mr. Ryan, you're really giving Mr. Gardenhire a lot of strategic options.

Beezer07 · July 24, 2013

Most teams don't carry three catchers. Most teams don't carry two backup middle infielders. Most teams don't carry 13 pitchers. Most teams have more than two professional outfielders on their rosters. Yet our Twins... this is what they look like today.

Even though Florimon and Carroll came through last night, how nice would it have been to have real options on the bench to pinch-hit in the late innings for one or both of them. Instead, the options on the bench are now Butera, Carroll, and Bernier. What atrocious roster management. Is this on the manager or the GM?

Yes, the Twins are bad this season. Are you suggesting that if they only had one backup middle infielder, only two catchers, and only 12 pitchers, the Twins would be contenders? Obviously the Twins don't have the talent they need right now to compete. I am 100% positive that there is no combination of players, or composition of the roster, currently or realistically under Twins control, that could compete for playoff spot.

Monkeypaws · July 24, 2013

"There was speculation that Oswaldo Arcia would get the call, but Gardenhire mentioned that Arcia was removed from Tuesday's game for not running a ball out." - LEN3

Postgame: Twins getting a little swagger back | StarTribune.com

I've noticed that with Oswaldo before.

ThePuck · July 24, 2013

Catcher Drew Butera was called up from Triple-A Rochester to take Mauer's place on the roster. Outfielder Oswaldo Arcia, who was also a possibility to replace Mauer, left Tuesday's game with Rochester in the third inning, but it was because he felt dizziness.

Mauer takes leave to attend birth of twins | twinsbaseball.com: News

powrwrap · July 24, 2013

Yes, the Twins are bad this season. Are you suggesting that if they only had one backup middle infielder, only two catchers, and only 12 pitchers, the Twins would be contenders?

No, I don't think he's saying that. He's saying that Ryan has mismanaged the roster.

Obviously the Twins don't have the talent they need right now to compete. I am 100% positive that there is no combination of players, or composition of the roster, currently or realistically under Twins control, that could compete for playoff spot.

Yes, and this has been known for the last 30 months or so. That does not excuse the fact that there are only 2 full time outfielders on the Twins active roster. Or that you have 13 pitchers. Or that you have four catchers on the active roster.

Steve Penz · July 24, 2013

I have no issue with Oswaldo not be called up. He is 22 and part of a future. If he needs to stay in Roch, get his head straight and kill the ball for a while then so be it. I simply do not understand why Butera would get the call. Unless absolutely necessary, nobody should be up at AAAA unless they are part of a plan for the future. What part does Butera play? The Twins currently have 2 catchers at AAAA. I just do not get this.

Beezer07 · July 24, 2013

I have no issue with Oswaldo not be called up. He is 22 and part of a future. If he needs to stay in Roch, get his head straight and kill the ball for a while then so be it. I simply do not understand why Butera would get the call. Unless absolutely necessary, nobody should be up at AAAA unless they are part of a plan for the future. What part does Butera play? The Twins currently have 2 catchers at AAAA. I just do not get this.

Nobody should be up at AAAA unless they are part of the future? So then Pelfrey, Correia, Doumit, Thomas, Carroll, Butera, Escobar, etc... shouldn't be up? Who is going to fill all those positions?

July 24, 2013

It seems to me it gets harder and harder to try and see light at the end of this tunnel. Carroll, Bernier AND Butera. Oy.

cmathewson · July 24, 2013

All this is temporary until the trading deadline at the latest. Mauer will be back in a few days, at which point Butera will be sent back. Arcia will be back in a couple of weeks, at which point Berny will be sent back. Meanwhile, we are winning, so that's something.

jokin · July 24, 2013

I've noticed that with Oswaldo before.

What? For not running out a K?

S. · July 24, 2013

Yes, the Twins are bad this season. Are you suggesting that if they only had one backup middle infielder, only two catchers, and only 12 pitchers, the Twins would be contenders? Obviously the Twins don't have the talent they need right now to compete. I am 100% positive that there is no combination of players, or composition of the roster, currently or realistically under Twins control, that could compete for playoff spot.

I'm not sure why this argument keeps coming up, because I'm positive no one in their right mind on this forum has even attempted to argue that a couple call ups this year or last were going to get us anywhere close to the playoffs. That's not the point though, so if you want to defend the FO's bench/roster management, you're gonna need a better case than, "well, we won't make the playoffs"

jokin · July 24, 2013

It seems to me it gets harder and harder to try and see light at the end of this tunnel. Carroll, Bernier AND Butera. Oy.

Hey! The oldsters are producing winning baseball since the All-Star break ended. Why not call up Jeff Clement to add to our all-star, building-for-the-future, geriatric bench? (FYI, Butera turns 30 in two weeks- he fits right in with the current "youth movement" going on with the call-ups of Cola [turns 30 in Oct,] and Bernier....look at the "youthful" infusion of energy that Clete has given us since his call-up...Thomas turns 30 in November....let's see, who besides Clement is ready for a promotion???....Richardson, Olmedo and Dinkleman all turn 30 this year).

And I'm not complaining, just noting the irony. This latest stretch of games, especially Monday night and last night, have been the most entertaining of the year by far. Kudos to management for shaking things up and sending a message that jobs are neither guaranteed nor scholarshipped.

DaveW · July 24, 2013

Who cares?!? It's what? 3 games? Not exactly like we are contending for a first place spot now.

As much as everyone hates butera I like rooting for him, he is living every kids dream and plays the game the right way. It's nice that he is getting a couple games up with the ball club again.

As long as he gets no more than 30 at bats a year butera is perfectly fine org depth at catcher. Besides herrmann and Doumit aren't really every day "catchers"

Otto von Ballpark · July 24, 2013

Most teams don't carry three catchers. Most teams don't carry two backup middle infielders. Most teams don't carry 13 pitchers. Most teams have more than two professional outfielders on their rosters. Yet our Twins... this is what they look like today.

Got me thinking, so I wrote a quick script to pull roster sizes from mlb.com:

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bos

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

chc

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[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

cin

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cle

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

col

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

cws

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[TD=align: right]6[/TD]

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

det

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[TD=align: right]5[/TD]

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

hou

[TD=align: right]13[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

kc

[TD=align: right]12[/TD]

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[TD=align: right]6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]4[/TD]

[TD=align: right]1[/TD]

[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

la

[TD=align: right]12[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2[/TD]

[TD=align: right]6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

mia

[TD=align: right]12[/TD]

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[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

mil

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[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]24[/TD]

min

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

nym

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[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

nyy

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

oak

[TD=align: right]12[/TD]

[TD=align: right]2[/TD]

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[TD=align: right]24[/TD]

phi

[TD=align: right]12[/TD]

[TD=align: right]3[/TD]

[TD=align: right]5[/TD]

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

sd

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[TD=align: right]5[/TD]

[TD=align: right]6[/TD]

[TD=align: right]0[/TD]

[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

sea

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sf

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[TD=align: right]25[/TD]

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As you can see, indeed no other team has more pitchers, catchers, OR infielders than the Twins. The only other team with fewer than 4 listed outfielders is St. Louis with 3, and they have Holliday on the DL and Allen Craig subbing (Craig came up as an outfielder although he's now listed as an infielder).

Two listed outfielders is a strange alignment, to be sure.

Steve Penz · July 24, 2013

Nobody should be up at AAAA unless they are part of the future? So then Pelfrey, Correia, Doumit, Thomas, Carroll, Butera, Escobar, etc... shouldn't be up? Who is going to fill all those positions?

My thoughts clarified- "a future" to me does not necessarily mean that they will be around when the Twins are relevant. It means that they are at least part of a plan to make that happen. You need to fill positions and put players on the field. If a player is up at AAAA then, in my opinion, they need to be part of the group that will be around when the Twins are more relevant or they need to be holding a spot for a younger person who is working towards being mlb-ready. I feel that all the players you listed are part on one of those columns except for Pelfrey. He is another topic. Butera is not keeping a spot warm nor is he future. The twins have 2 catchers at AAAA. Butera serves no purpose.

diehardtwinsfan · July 24, 2013

It seems to me it gets harder and harder to try and see light at the end of this tunnel. Carroll, Bernier AND Butera. Oy.

Carlos Rodon?

TheLeviathan · July 24, 2013

Nothing gets me excited about the rebuilding process like a roster whose average age is 30.

Pius Jefferson · July 24, 2013

It seems to me it gets harder and harder to try and see light at the end of this tunnel. Carroll, Bernier AND Butera. Oy.

Because of a three game call up of Drew Butera?

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