Athletics (Perkins) vs Twins (Urena): 8/21/25, 12:10pm

[mrtwinsfan]

Just now, Parfigliano said:

Lewis is 92% media hype 8% talent.

Remember the Bobblehead deal ,   your right , and that Proved it ,  

[Aggies7]

5 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

Shouldn't someone with the drive and determination to get to the majors in the first place not need the external motivation from the manager to try at a baseline level? Understand that they're playing for their next opportunity and that everyone around the league is watching?  I know Rocco is some juicy low-hanging fruit, but aren't professional players responsible for their own actions at some point?

Yes they are. But again, some players can use these situations to learn and never do it again. Even major leaguers can use an attitude adjustment sometimes 

[Blyleven2011]

10 minutes ago, USAFChief said:

Well I would. 

A major league career would be worth fighting for. With every fiber of my being. 

 

8 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

I would too. But some guys need a shove 

These players get paid to play baseball , if they don't play baseball  they should be fined on plays like outman  did ... 

Or he should be back down in AAA working on his game , would he of beat the throw on strike three passed ball i don't know , he didn't make an effort ...

What a crock ...

[The Great Hambino]

2 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Yes they are. But again, some players can use these situations to learn and never do it again. Even major leaguers can use an attitude adjustment sometimes 

I mean ... he's 28.  If he needs that level of babysitting at this point, he doesn't need to be here

[USAFChief]

9 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

Shouldn't someone with the drive and determination to get to the majors in the first place not need the external motivation from the manager to try at a baseline level? Understand that they're playing for their next opportunity and that everyone around the league is watching?  I know Rocco is some juicy low-hanging fruit, but aren't professional players responsible for their own actions at some point?

Sorta what I said. :)

In addition to which, I'd think it would be something a good manager would demand.

[Parfigliano]

2 minutes ago, Blyleven2011 said:

 

These players get paid to play baseball , if they don't play baseball  they should be fined on plays like outman  did ... 

Or he should be back down in AAA working on his game , would he of beat the throw on strike three passed ball i don't know , he didn't make an effort ...

What a crock ...

Didn't take Outman long to learn Rocco is a joke manager and minimal/no effort is AOK

[USAFChief]

3 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

I mean ... he's 28.  If he needs that level of babysitting at this point, he doesn't need to be here

And yet he is.

[Aggies7]

5 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

I mean ... he's 28.  If he needs that level of babysitting at this point, he doesn't need to be here

I once saw video of Bobby cox pull andruw jones out of a game in the middle of the inning for dogging after a ball, he was far more talented than outman  

[The Great Hambino]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

Sorta what I said. :)

In addition to which, I'd think it would be something a good manager would demand.

Sorry wasn't clear, I was trying to add on to what you were saying, not push back against it.

I think we can expect players to act like professionals independent of the manager.  Not everything has to be blamed on him.  There's already enough legitimately put on him.

[hitterscount]

1 hour ago, USAFChief said:

Rocco's correct.

If only there was some person responsible for stuff like that. A person--say a guy in charge of team play...a guy to manage all this--who could emphasize these kinds of things. Maybe teach them. Heck, even notice them before say, 7 years go by.

Alas, there's just nothing that can be done 

 

Exactly my point, it's mid-August, and he finally gets we need to be better and more aggressive on the base paths.....  kind of think these are supposedly MLB caliber players, how about being smart on the bases and operate within your limits. This isn't rocket science.

[The Great Hambino]

2 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

I once saw video of Bobby cox pull andruw jones out of a game in the middle of the inning for dogging after a ball, he was far more talented than outman  

Jones had just turned 21 when that happened.

I'm not saying managers shouldn't hold players accountable.  I'm saying players are ultimately responsible for their own actions, and dumping it all on the manager every time absolves players of their personal accountability.   A 21 year old doing it should be benched - Cox did the right thing.  a 28 year old fringe player doing it should be DFA'd

[USAFChief]

2 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

Sorry wasn't clear, I was trying to add on to what you were saying, not push back against it.

I think we can expect players to act like professionals independent of the manager.  Not everything has to be blamed on him.  There's already enough legitimately put on him.

Concur

[Dave Borton]

16 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

21,837

I guess this is one of those "matching T-shirts in the upper deck" days that doesn't necessarily translate to TV

Yeah, marketing starts calling kids' clubs about two weeks in advance and out they come

[USAFChief]

24 minutes ago, C-Gangster said:

 if you don't like balldeli too bad he's here for more years. 

That's what some of us are afraid of.

[Aggies7]

7 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

Jones had just turned 21 when that happened.

I'm not saying managers shouldn't hold players accountable.  I'm saying players are ultimately responsible for their own actions, and dumping it all on the manager every time absolves players of their personal accountability.   A 21 year old doing it should be benched - Cox did the right thing.  a 28 year old fringe player doing it should be DFA'd

Well just have to disagree. It’s not really about outman or any individual player. Every successful organization in sports or business or whatever, has someone or some people enforcing expectations or standards/practices. Clearly the twins don’t have that and haven’t for years. Clearly the players haven’t done that to this point either as referenced by their own comments, and the only one who ostensibly tried to, got shipped out of town and now “everyone can relax”, whatever that means. 

[Vanimal46]

You would think getting swept by the A’s is rock bottom. But it can get way worse than this for the remaining games. 95 losses is definitely in reach 

[Dave Borton]

1 minute ago, USAFChief said:

That's what some of us are afraid of.

Baldelli will be the scapegoat at the end of the year. Falvey will never be the fall guy. Minority owners will squeeze for some accountability and "poor-pirate-beard" will be it,

[mrtwinsfan]

18 minutes ago, The Great Hambino said:

I mean ... he's 28.  If he needs that level of babysitting at this point, he doesn't need to be here

has a 1 year old baby also ,   motivation ?

[Patzky]

Garbage time or rally starter? You make the call! 

[USAFChief]

Just now, Patzky said:

Garbage time or rally starter? 

Yes 

[USAFChief]

5 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

You would think getting swept by the A’s is rock bottom. But it can get way worse than this for the remaining games. 95 losses is definitely in reach 

For me it's not just getting swept.

The A's lineup is clearly much better than the Twins. 

[The Great Hambino]

8 minutes ago, Aggies7 said:

Well just have to disagree. It’s not really about outman or any individual player. Every successful organization in sports or business or whatever, has someone or some people enforcing expectations or standards/practices. Clearly the twins don’t have that and haven’t for years. Clearly the players haven’t done that to this point either as referenced by their own comments, and the only one who ostensibly tried to, got shipped out of town and now “everyone can relax”, whatever that means. 

I don't know if we're disagreeing as much as making two different points.  I agree with you in general.  Rocco's ship has been too loose for some time and no one wants him back.  Just saying that if someone in Outman's position can't be internally motivated, then they really don't need to be here

[Parfigliano]

10 minutes ago, Vanimal46 said:

You would think getting swept by the A’s is rock bottom. But it can get way worse than this for the remaining games. 95 losses is definitely in reach 

Gets worse starting tomorrow and the CHISOX sweep begins

[mrtwinsfan]

   perfect end

[Aggies7]

They should have to drive their own cars to Chicago after that homestand 

[Patzky]

3 minutes ago, mrtwinsfan said:

   perfect end

 

[The Great Hambino]

Just now, Aggies7 said:

They should have to drive their own cars to Chicago after that homestand 

One word: megabus

[USAFChief]

"Draft capital" crowd positively giddy.

[CRF]

A 3 game beat down by the A's. UGH!

[USAFChief]

1 minute ago, The Great Hambino said:

One word: megabus

Play like minor leaguers, travel like em too.