Elephant in the Lockeroom.

[Squirrel]

26 minutes ago, sun said:

Common injuries by a players position doesn't reveal the cause of the injury which your reference isn't specific at all. That means it's useless. It also doesn't address the severity of the injury to the player or take the player's injury history into account.

You failed to address the point that I made about why Arraez stopped playing left field. His hitting was certainly good enough to earn him a position. Meanwhile Larnach has been injured more than once and just had core surgery, and Kepler can't seem to stay healthy enough to finish out the last month of the season more than once. Jake Cave also injured his back and was out a long time. Playing the OF takes its toll unless you don't want to see the writing on the wall. [pun intended]

I'll bet you a zillion Dollars of funny money that Lewis won't be playing the OF any time this year in AAA or MLB. I think that he'll remain an infielder and may even DH.  He' should be a better 3B, 1B & hitter than Miranda or Farmer. Rocco's job and the Twins future are on the line. Maybe you're willing to risk your fantasy coaching career but I'd bet that Rocco and the Twins FO won't. The fans won't appreciate Lewis getting any other type of injury in the OF that could affect his playing time & rise to stardom.

There's nothing like a concussion to ruin a career which can happen in any collision. Twins fans should know all about concussions with Mauer & Morneau. This is known as a baseball or organizational decision in order to maximize a player's potential while he's under team control. They want to protect a potential back up SS & big bat for the future,  After a player is making millions then the fans want to see them play despite the risks. We all know how many times that Trout has been injured. He's probably insured which saves the Angels paying a percentage of his salary. But that's not a good outcome to put a young player like Lewis at risk to dash the hopes of Twins fans if he gets seriously injured again. He's not an experienced MLB outfielder.

Just because a player gets injured doesn’t mean it’s the position they play that caused it. Sports are physically taxing and players get injured. All over the field. Period. Some players are more prone to injuries than others. Doesn’t mean the position caused the injury. The action caused the injury. This argument that some of you make about the outfield being, what, a more dangerous position to play? You are making anecdotal claims that are just not proof.

[Mike Sixel]

32 minutes ago, sun said:

Common injuries by a players position doesn't reveal the cause of the injury which your reference isn't specific at all. That means it's useless. It also doesn't address the severity of the injury to the player or take the player's injury history into account.

You failed to address the point that I made about why Arraez stopped playing left field. His hitting was certainly good enough to earn him a position. Meanwhile Larnach has been injured more than once and just had core surgery, and Kepler can't seem to stay healthy enough to finish out the last month of the season more than once. Jake Cave also injured his back and was out a long time. Playing the OF takes its toll unless you don't want to see the writing on the wall. [pun intended]

I'll bet you a zillion Dollars of funny money that Lewis won't be playing the OF any time this year in AAA or MLB. I think that he'll remain an infielder and may even DH.  He' should be a better 3B, 1B & hitter than Miranda or Farmer. Rocco's job and the Twins future are on the line. Maybe you're willing to risk your fantasy coaching career but I'd bet that Rocco and the Twins FO won't. The fans won't appreciate Lewis getting any other type of injury in the OF that could affect his playing time & rise to stardom.

There's nothing like a concussion to ruin a career which can happen in any collision. Twins fans should know all about concussions with Mauer & Morneau. This is known as a baseball or organizational decision in order to maximize a player's potential while he's under team control. They want to protect a potential back up SS & big bat for the future,  After a player is making millions then the fans want to see them play despite the risks. We all know how many times that Trout has been injured. He's probably insured which saves the Angels paying a percentage of his salary. But that's not a good outcome to put a young player like Lewis at risk to dash the hopes of Twins fans if he gets seriously injured again. He's not an experienced MLB outfielder.

You have zero data to back up your position. He supplied some. 

[sun]

26 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Luis Arraez was a terrible left fielder. Absolutely terrible. 

24 minutes ago, Squirrel said:

Arraez stopped playing left field because he was a horrible left fielder.

 

Here's proof that Arraez was not a bad LF'er. He played 27 games with zero errors and 3 assists. Any claim to the contrary is just a smokescreen.

I gave you my opinion and only time will tell which is right and wrong. Don't forget the doctors disagreed about Correa too. I'm erring on the side of caution as the Twins will also be very cautious with Lewis or it will cost Rocco his job. There's no need for Lewis 2 B in the OF..

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arraelu01.shtml

 

 

[chpettit19]

1 minute ago, sun said:

Here's proof that Arraez was not a bad LF. He played 27 games with zero errors and 3 assists. Any claim to the contrary is just a smokescreen.

I gave you my opinion and only time will tell which is right and wrong. Don't forget the doctors disagreed about Correa too. I'm erring on the side of caution as the Twins will also be very cautious with Lewis. Or it will cost Rocco his job. 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arraelu01.shtml

 

 

Wow. 27 games and no errors is your proof? The standards are set low around here.

[sun]

14 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

Wow. 27 games and no errors is your proof? The standards are set low around here.

Where is the standard of proof that allows anyone to claim that he was rotten? The stats don't lie, and they don't show that he was rotten. Quite the opposite. He played good in LF.

[chpettit19]

2 minutes ago, sun said:

Where is the standard of proof that allows anyone to say that he was rotten? The stats don't lie, and they don't show that he was rotten. Quite the opposite. He made some good plays in LF.

My lifetime of experience says he was rotten.

[tony&rodney]

Twins traded for Michael Taylor. Guess they were nervous about CF.

[tony&rodney]

Gilberto Celestino is going to get a ton of at bats in AAA this year I think.

[sun]

11 minutes ago, chpettit19 said:

My lifetime of experience says he was rotten.

Here's a MLB highlight video of Arraez making a sliding catch in LF. I'm convinced that some folks just want to badmouth him because the Twins traded him. 

https://www.mlb.com/video/luis-arraez-s-sliding-catch

 

[chpettit19]

Just now, sun said:

Here's a MLB highlight video of Arraez making a sliding catch in LF. I'm convinced that some folks just want to badmouth him because the Twins traded him. 

https://www.mlb.com/video/luis-arraez-s-sliding-catch

 

A sliding catch? Yippy, I guess. Delmon Young probably made a couple sliding catches, too. Does that mean he wasn't brutal? Josh Willingham probably snagged one or two as well. Should he have won a gold glove?

You can be convinced of whatever you want. I love Arraez. He's been my favorite Twin since he got called up. I'm going to renew my MLB.tv subscription this year simply to be able to watch him play. I'm super bummed they traded him. That doesn't make him a good left fielder. He was a terrible left fielder. Him being traded didn't change that. He was a terrible left fielder last week, last month, last year.

[Mike Sixel]

1 hour ago, chpettit19 said:

Wow. 27 games and no errors is your proof? The standards are set low around here.

Truth. I mean, if you never get to a ball, it's hard to have an error. Not to mention sample size......I think, well, I'll bite my tongue....

[tarheeltwinsfan]

On 1/22/2023 at 9:42 PM, Reptevia said:

Through all the talk about adding a RH bat, (preferably an OF) no one is really addressing a serious problem. Buxton played 57 games in CF last year. (And the confetti hasn’t hit the floor yet as to what a great year he had). Unfortunately, that is about only 1/3 of the games. We need someone to “fill in” for 2/3 of the games?  No. The Twins desperately need a starting CF!  Celestino is not MLB ready and is very young and shouldn’t be expected to be counted on to be a starter. Gordon Will likely be the starter in LF, so…go get someone who can handle playing 2/3 of the CF starts. 

Your wish is my command, said the FO to Reptivia. Let me introduce you to Michael A. Taylor.

[Reptevia]

These things don’t happen in a vacuum. If Kepler would have made it apparent he could be the starting CF (he played 9 innings there last year), it could have been him. This also infers that last years Buxton strategy will continue. Celestino can go to AAA where he belongs. However, Gallo/Taylor/Kepler all playing at once would be a black hole in the lineup…

[tony&rodney]

The price for Michael A. Taylor was sure right. It is almost like they signed him as a free agent. The Twins never gave Evan Sisk a shot despite needing any arm possible last September and Cruz was alternating between brutal and untouchable all last summer, which doesn't play in the big leagues. I could use a pair of pants but don't want to pay even $20, but I see something I actually like for $6 .... I get it. Taylor was an easy addition.

[Fatbat]

Pretty clear message to the young guys. We are bringing in MLB players and you all are going to get a year to develop in AAA. OF will be Buck, Kep, Gordon, Gallo, Taylor. This wont change until there is a significant injury. 

[Fatbat]

Garlick was outrighted to AAA and he wont be back on the 40 man. Who else is going to get the boot off the 40man? 

[JD-TWINS]

21 hours ago, Riverbrian said:

Larnach will be 26 years old with two options left. If Larnach is on the 26 man roster and behind those 4. We can all stop dreaming of the day that Larnach will be the answer to anything in the future. Because he will be 28 years old in no time at all.  

If Larnach makes the 26 man roster. He must be given the opportunity to earn a job by outplaying Kepler, Gallo and Gordon for playing time. 

Garlick is practically useless to me. He will sit on the bench until a lefty hits the stage. He will be start and be subbed out when a right hander takes the mound and he will pinch hit and be subbed out as a defensive replacement. He will occupy a valuable roster spot on a roster that has health and hitting question marks all over the place.  

We need a bat. This lineup needs to deepen. Our Disabled list will be utilized this year. 😀

 

Well, looks like Taylor will displace any chance for Garlick to be affiliated with the team.

Agreed that Larnach’s time is running out. However, many players come up & down & burn up a couple years getting into the line-up. Seems to me if he has a good Spring, the DH spot is predominantly his with some games in LF. Maybe a 60 game/25 game split between those two spots. With success at the plate, obviously, more time.

Aaron Judge was 25 when he started playing regularly, I think that’s accurate? I believe he’s 30 now. ………….I’d take 4-7 years of good Larnach!

[Riverbrian]

57 minutes ago, JD-TWINS said:

Well, looks like Taylor will displace any chance for Garlick to be affiliated with the team.

Agreed that Larnach’s time is running out. However, many players come up & down & burn up a couple years getting into the line-up. Seems to me if he has a good Spring, the DH spot is predominantly his with some games in LF. Maybe a 60 game/25 game split between those two spots. With success at the plate, obviously, more time.

Aaron Judge was 25 when he started playing regularly, I think that’s accurate? I believe he’s 30 now. ………….I’d take 4-7 years of good Larnach!

We will have a couple of 40 man spots open up down the road when players get placed on the 60 day. Garlick could still get one of those spots... however... Geez, how many outfielders can you squeeze onto the 40 man. There is still the possibility of more trades yet to come that will change the equation and open up that door.  

With Larnach... If he reports to AAA and works his way back up when injuries occur... I'm ok with that.

If he ends up being that 13th guy on the 26 man roster. He can't sit and watch... he must participate or else we are looking at the next 1st round pick who didn't make it.  

The only way I see Gallo and Kepler working for us is if they are forced to earn their playing time with good old fashioned competition with Kirilloff, Gordon and Larnach and Taylor for the bulk of the playing time and that competition for playing time must start day one. Use the DH to get them all playing time. Use the IF to get Gordon some playing time. Use 1B to get Kirilloff some playing time and let them fight it out.     

 

[Parfigliano]

44 minutes ago, Riverbrian said:

We will have a couple of 40 man spots open up down the road when players get placed on the 60 day. Garlick could still get one of those spots... however... Geez, how many outfielders can you squeeze onto the 40 man. There is still the possibility of more trades yet to come that will change the equation and open up that door.  

With Larnach... If he reports to AAA and works his way back up when injuries occur... I'm ok with that.

If he ends up being that 13th guy on the 26 man roster. He can't sit and watch... he must participate or else we are looking at the next 1st round pick who didn't make it.  

The only way I see Gallo and Kepler working for us is if they are forced to earn their playing time with good old fashioned competition with Kirilloff, Gordon and Larnach and Taylor for the bulk of the playing time and that competition for playing time must start day one. Use the DH to get them all playing time. Use the IF to get Gordon some playing time. Use 1B to get Kirilloff some playing time and let them fight it out.     

 

Yup fight it out and may the best Kirilloff win.