TR regrets signing Correia already?

[ThePuck]

I would imagine that buyers remorse and dealing with it would be a major part of a GM's job.

 

Just like... "we... us..." regular citizens go thru when we a buy a car. You can second guess yourself for awhile. Did I get the right one??? Did I pay too much??? If I waited longer could I have gotten a better deal???

 

I don't think the kind of buyers remorse that I am referring to... Is what you or the OP means buy "regrets" or "regrets already".

 

"Having regrets already" in the context presented is kinda trashy.

 

Yeah, but I dig trashy :-)

[Mr. Ed]

Which hopefully means that he's still pursuing one of the better pitchers left on the market.

 

Marcum is about it any more. And would he come to MN? Can only hope.

[Guest USAFChief]

It seems more and more likely to me that Correia IS the big FA splash.

 

i hope I'm wrong. But I'm never wrong. Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.

[phalvorson]

Today's article in the Strib more accurately, I think, sums up what TR is going for:

"The Twins, said Terry Ryan, "need competition. We need numbers and we need choices.""

 

So if he can't get quality, he's going for quantity -- and hoping that someone will rise above mediocrity.

 

Correia expected to offer stability to Twins' staff | StarTribune.com

[jokin]

Oddly enough, this gives me a bit of faith in JR. He knows Correia isn't a very good pitcher but had to sign somebody because the Twins need pitchers and lots of 'em. At least we know that Ryan doesn't have unreasonable expectations for Correia in that he's going to be some kind of savior in the rotation.

 

Which hopefully means that he's still pursuing one of the better pitchers left on the market.

 

I still think they should have claimed Jason Vargas last August and probably gotten him, at worst, for a B level hitting prospect. He's still cheap ($4.85M in 2012 and going into arb, but would sure look a heck of a lot better in that rotation than Correia, and be far, far cheaper than what it's going to cost now to get one of the mid-level remaining FA SPs.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I still think they should have claimed Jason Vargas last August and probably gotten him, at worst, for a B level hitting prospect. He's still cheap ($4.85M in 2012 and going into arb, but would sure look a heck of a lot better in that rotation than Correia, and be far, far cheaper than what it's going to cost now to get one of the mid-level remaining FA SPs.

 

Don't get me wrong, I still don't like the Correia signing... But if it's part of a bigger plan to solidify the rotation, I can swallow it.

[Guest USAFChief]

Don't get me wrong, I still don't like the Correia signing... But if it's part of a bigger plan to solidify the rotation, I can swallow it.

Pray tell, what is that bigger plan?

[Brock Beauchamp]

Pray tell, what is that bigger plan?

 

To pick up an ass-load of starting pitchers, at least one of whom is not awful. As a secondary deal, I can handle the Correia signing. Hell, Ryan doesn't even have to SIGN another pitcher. If he trades Willingham for a starter, I'm fine with that, too.

 

But you can't sign Kevin freakin' Correia, keep guys like Willingham/Morneau, and then say "good enough". You either go get a Jackson/Marcum/Dempster-type pitcher to complement Correia or you liquidate whatever assets you have to get pitching. While I'm patient with the front office, I'm not a fan of half-assing it in hopes of things just "working out". Choose a legitimate course of action and move toward it. I don't care what course of action that may be, just pick something.

[Boom Boom]

Today's article in the Strib more accurately, I think, sums up what TR is going for:

"The Twins, said Terry Ryan, "need competition. We need numbers and we need choices.""

 

So if he can't get quality, he's going for quantity -- and hoping that someone will rise above mediocrity.

 

Correia expected to offer stability to Twins' staff | StarTribune.com

 

It seems to me that TR isn't really thrilled about Correia either. If the Twins need numbers, there's dozens of minor league free agents that can give De Vries, Walters, and Deduno a run for their money, and for much cheaper and virtually no commitment. With that approach, the Twins would have even more numbers and a better shot that somebody will stick.

[beckmt]

I think this signing speaks volumes of what TR thinks of the pitchers (outside of Diamond) who started for the Twins last year. This is a large group that will move up and down between Minnesota and Rochester. Get those frequent flyer miles.

[Riverbrian]

Yeah, but I dig trashy :-)

 

lol... There are many on Twins Daily that do... A "Tabloid" club could easily form and take on the "Apologist" club.

 

It could be Republican vs. Democrat and the dirty tricks, backroom deals and filibusters could rule the day.

 

Jeez... That... Really ain't that far off.

[Shane Wahl]

Was the EXACT same amount given to Blackburn 2 in 2014 as what Blackburn 1 is making in 2013 REALLY NECESSARY? Couldn't they mix it up any other way!?

[johnnydakota]

It seems to me that TR isn't really thrilled about Correia either. If the Twins need numbers, there's dozens of minor league free agents that can give De Vries, Walters, and Deduno a run for their money, and for much cheaper and virtually no commitment. With that approach, the Twins would have even more numbers and a better shot that somebody will stick.

 

amen

[ashbury]

Reading the article, Ryan's quotes don't necessarily jive with the narrative the writer is going for. He basically said that he's not a strikeout pitcher and that he shouldn't have trouble adjusting to the new league.

 

This. I looked in vain for any further detail supporting the early paraphrase by the author that there's no guarantee. I'd want to see the exact question, and Ryan's exact answer, before inferring very much. It's very likely Terry was guided to talk a bit about the risks for this pitcher, he answered, and then it got slanted in a way that's pretty neutral to a neutral observer but a hot button to a Twins adherent. I don't think Campbell has it out for Ryan, but he didn't really do him any favors either.

[johnnydakota]

please take a moment to say a pray for the children and familys of Sandy Point

[70charger]

Enlighten me...exactly what is the important distinction?

 

If Correia can sit between 4.5 and 5.0 on the ERA scale, which I think is reasonably likely, he doesn't make the team worse.

 

If we give starts to Cole DeVries, who is a ticking time bomb, it's only a matter of time before his ERA balloons, maybe out to 6, 7, or 8. (Think Blackburn last year, or Marquis.)

 

If we give starts to Sam Deduno, the walks will catch up to him. His SSS performance last year isn't representative to what he can do longer-term, and Correia is certainly an upgrade.

 

If we keep giving starts to Deunsing, who admittedly is quite competent out of the pen, we can expect many more 5-run fourth innings.

 

If we keep giving starts to Swarzak, see above.

 

 

I'll take the likely possibility of an ERA between 4.5 and 5.0 over any of the other pitchers listed. Wouldn't you?

[Guest USAFChief]

If Correia can sit between 4.5 and 5.0 on the ERA scale, which I think is reasonably likely, he doesn't make the team worse.

 

If we give starts to Cole DeVries, who is a ticking time bomb, it's only a matter of time before his ERA balloons, maybe out to 6, 7, or 8. (Think Blackburn last year, or Marquis.)

 

If we give starts to Sam Deduno, the walks will catch up to him. His SSS performance last year isn't representative to what he can do longer-term, and Correia is certainly an upgrade.

 

If we keep giving starts to Deunsing, who admittedly is quite competent out of the pen, we can expect many more 5-run fourth innings.

 

If we keep giving starts to Swarzak, see above.

 

 

I'll take the likely possibility of an ERA between 4.5 and 5.0 over any of the other pitchers listed. Wouldn't you?

 

I'm confused. Earlier you said he would neither make the team better, nor worse, which was somehow an "important distinction."

 

Now you seem to be saying he'll definately make the team better, by taking starts away from those you listed.

 

 

I'll ask again...what is the "important distinction" between not making the team better and not making it worse? And if he's not going to make it better, what do we care who he replaces in the rotation?

[edavis0308]

On the bright side, the pitching staff cant get that much worse.. werent we second to last in the league in ERA?

[jmlease1]

To pick up an ass-load of starting pitchers, at least one of whom is not awful. As a secondary deal, I can handle the Correia signing. Hell, Ryan doesn't even have to SIGN another pitcher. If he trades Willingham for a starter, I'm fine with that, too.

 

But you can't sign Kevin freakin' Correia, keep guys like Willingham/Morneau, and then say "good enough". You either go get a Jackson/Marcum/Dempster-type pitcher to complement Correia or you liquidate whatever assets you have to get pitching. While I'm patient with the front office, I'm not a fan of half-assing it in hopes of things just "working out". Choose a legitimate course of action and move toward it. I don't care what course of action that may be, just pick something.

 

word. My biggest problem with this contract is the length: wanna roll the dice on Correia filling in the back of the rotation? Fine. But why give him a 2nd year? They still need to sign another pitcher, and one with a greater chance of success than Correia. They have the money to do so, if they can find a taker.

[ThePuck]

Article on the Twins MLB page says Correia is penciled in as our #4 pitcher. Who are the three in front of him? Diamond, Worley and who?

[S.]

Diamond, Worley, Butera, Correia, Pitching Machine/Blackburn.

[old nurse]

If Correia can sit between 4.5 and 5.0 on the ERA scale, which I think is reasonably likely, he doesn't make the team worse.

 

If we give starts to Cole DeVries, who is a ticking time bomb, it's only a matter of time before his ERA balloons, maybe out to 6, 7, or 8. (Think Blackburn last year, or Marquis.)

 

If we give starts to Sam Deduno, the walks will catch up to him. His SSS performance last year isn't representative to what he can do longer-term, and Correia is certainly an upgrade.

 

If we keep giving starts to Deunsing, who admittedly is quite competent out of the pen, we can expect many more 5-run fourth innings.

 

If we keep giving starts to Swarzak, see above.

 

 

I'll take the likely possibility of an ERA between 4.5 and 5.0 over any of the other pitchers listed. Wouldn't you?

 

Deduno and Devries probably pitched above their talent level last year. Correia does not make the team worse because he is better than any of the replacements would be if they had to use them regularly. It is not a hard concept.

[old nurse]

Article on the Twins MLB page says Correia is penciled in as our #4 pitcher. Who are the three in front of him? Diamond, Worley and who?

 

Blackburn. The Twins studied Parker Hagerman's video he posted and will fix his delivery. He will become the pitcher they signed him to be. Marcum will sign a fair market contract to pitch here. Edwin Jackson will be influenced by Marcum's signing and sign here.

[70charger]

I'm confused. Earlier you said he would neither make the team better, nor worse, which was somehow an "important distinction."

 

Now you seem to be saying he'll definately make the team better, by taking starts away from those you listed.

 

 

I'll ask again...what is the "important distinction" between not making the team better and not making it worse? And if he's not going to make it better, what do we care who he replaces in the rotation?

 

I think you've misinterpreted me, perhaps because I left out the part about how (and this is my opinion, so feel free to discount) Deduno, Devries, et al. pitched above their long-term ability last year. In the small sample size we had from them, they actually did pretty well. Throw them out there next year for 30 starts? It'll be a complete and total disaster. That is what makes the team worse.

 

What makes the team not worse is signing Correia, who is perfectly capable of pitching consistently at the 4.5/5.0 ERA level. Correia keeps the team at the 90-100 loss threshold. Trotting out Deduno, Devries, and Duensing for 90 starts next year puts us at 110 losses minimum.

 

That's an important distinction.

[70charger]

Deduno and Devries probably pitched above their talent level last year. Correia does not make the team worse because he is better than any of the replacements would be if they had to use them regularly. It is not a hard concept.

 

This is pretty much what I'm saying, yes.

[Badsmerf]

I think this is a good signing. I'm not sure why everyone is blowing up about it. Sure, he's nothing special, but at least he is an MLB caliber pitcher and will give the Twins some decent starts. For what they are paying him, he is a pretty good deal.

[Top Gun]

I won't go that far as to say Correia is better. I think some of the young guys could improve alot. Who know's if Correia can even make the team?

[Top Gun]

Who know's about Worley, he could pull a Baker. Scott is about the only pitcher we got and who can say he will improve. It's a real sorry state we are in, but we can hope. It's early yet, maybe Ryan can still get us a pitcher or two. WE need a awful lot. No one can pitch 200 innings or even go 7. We can't wait forever It's time to sign them up. We can hope till the losing begins.