2020 Twins Transactions

[whosafraidofluigirussolo]

Not clear why they didn't transfer Rooker to the 45-day IL to make roster space instead, but I guess Poppen was going to be on the fringe for 40-man roster decisions in the offseason regardless.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Not clear why they didn't transfer Rooker to the 45-day IL to make roster space instead, but I guess Poppen was going to be on the fringe for 40-man roster decisions in the offseason regardless.

Yeah, I think they could have put Rooker on the 45-day IL on Saturday as soon as Buxton got hurt and added Kirilloff to the 40-man then. But I guess it doesn't matter if Poppen wasn't going to pitch in the postseason and if they were likely going to drop him in November anyway.

[notoriousgod71]

Do we have a final first round roster yet?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Do we have a final first round roster yet?

Yes, see Seth's article here:

 

http://twinsdaily.com/topic/42342-kirilloff-in-donaldson-out-twins-wild-card-series-roster/

[Eris]

What I found interesting is that Alex Kirilloff did not need to be added to the 40 man roster until after the 2021 season. The FO has handicapped their upcoming 40 man roster decisions for one game of using Alex Kirilloff. Of course the FO didn’t know at the time that the season would be over after two playoff games. This offers several insights. First, the Twins had a lot of confidence in Kirilloff. Second, the Twins were really worried about someone (likely Buxton) not being able to contribute for the duration of the playoffs and wanted an additional outfielder who was better than Jake Cave or LaMonte Wade Jr.

[rdehring]

 

What I found interesting is that Alex Kirilloff did not need to be added to the 40 man roster until after the 2021 season. The FO has handicapped their upcoming 40 man roster decisions for one game of using Alex Kirilloff. Of course the FO didn’t know at the time that the season would be over after two playoff games. This offers several insights. First, the Twins had a lot of confidence in Kirilloff. Second, the Twins were really worried about someone (likely Buxton) not being able to contribute for the duration of the playoffs and wanted an additional outfielder who was better than Jake Cave or LaMonte Wade Jr.

I have been wrong before, but I believe Kirilloff did need to be added this November.

 

He was a 2016 draft out of high school. That means he has five years before needing to be added. His five years would have been 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020., unless with all the changes 2020 doesn't count...which I haven't heard.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

I am disappointed and mildly surprised they released Poppen. His pitches have so much movement and if he can harness his command and all that nervous energy his gives off, he’ll be very good.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I have been wrong before, but I believe Kirilloff did need to be added this November.

 

He was a 2016 draft out of high school. That means he has five years before needing to be added. His five years would have been 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2020., unless with all the changes 2020 doesn't count...which I haven't heard.

2020 still counts, and you are correct. Kirilloff needed to be added to the 40-man by November of this year anyway, as did Rooker and Colina.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I am disappointed and mildly surprised they released Poppen. His pitches have so much movement and if he can harness his command and all that nervous energy his gives off, he’ll be very good.

Poppen's not released -- just DFA'd. He could pass through waivers like Littell, and then we could get at least another season out of him. Will be interesting to see if anyone claims him this week.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Poppen's not released -- just DFA'd. He could pass through waivers like Littell, and then we could get at least another season out of him. Will be interesting to see if anyone claims him this week.

ah thanks!!

[Otto von Ballpark]

ah thanks!!

Update: Poppen claimed by Pittsburgh.

[SpicyGarvSauce]

 

Update: Poppen claimed by Pittsburgh.

Poor guy.

[rdehring]

 

Poor guy.

I would say quite the opposite. In Pittsburgh he will have a great chance of being part of a major league team while being paid at least the MLB minimum...which is a big chunk of money to the rest of us.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

I would say quite the opposite. In Pittsburgh he will have a great chance of being part of a major league team while being paid at least the MLB minimum...which is a big chunk of money to the rest of us.

And not just MLB minimum salary, but also service time to improve his pension benefits.

[rdehring]

 

And not just MLB minimum salary, but also service time to improve his pension benefits.

Spycake, do you or does anyone else know the details of a MLB pension?

 

Does a player receive a partial pension if his career is as short as one game? Is it ten years of service time to get a max pension? How much is the max pension?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Spycake, do you or does anyone else know the details of a MLB pension?

 

Does a player receive a partial pension if his career is as short as one game? Is it ten years of service time to get a max pension? How much is the max pension?

Pension credits are awarded for every quarter of a season you play. 1 season service time is considered to be 172 days, so it takes 43 days to first qualify, and every 43 days you accumulate after that (max 172 per year) increases your benefit.

 

10 years is indeed the max benefit, and the benefit figures I've seen for that are $68k annually if you start drawing at 45, or $220k annually if you wait until 62.

 

1 day of service time, however, does entitle a player to lifetime health insurance. If you reach 10 years service, I think your spouse is also covered for life too (Doug Mientkiewicz hung on for 10 years, in part for this reason).

 

In any case, Poppen had 38 days service time in 2019, so his 2020 service time was pretty important in this regard!

[rdehring]

 

Pension credits are awarded for every quarter of a season you play. 1 season service time is considered to be 172 days, so it takes 43 days to first qualify, and every 43 days you accumulate after that (max 172 per year) increases your benefit.

 

10 years is indeed the max benefit, and the benefit figures I've seen for that are $68k annually if you start drawing at 45, or $220k annually if you wait until 62.

 

1 day of service time, however, does entitle a player to lifetime health insurance. If you reach 10 years service, I think your spouse is also covered for life too (Doug Mientkiewicz hung on for 10 years, in part for this reason).

 

In any case, Poppen had 38 days service time in 2019, so his 2020 service time was pretty important in this regard!

Very interesting, thanks.

 

Do you know if the payment is prorata, ie, one-quarter year is 2.5% of a full ten years. So if the max at 45 years old is $68,000, Poppen would get 2.5% of that for one-quarter...or $1,700 per year?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Very interesting, thanks.

 

Do you know if the payment is prorata, ie, one-quarter year is 2.5% of a full ten years. So if the max at 45 years old is $68,000, Poppen would get 2.5% of that for one-quarter...or $1,700 per year?

Roughly maybe? Here's a document from 2012 to give you an idea -- although I am sure the numbers have changed since then: 

http://www.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/bhb/eng/mlb-0f0-pension-print.pdf

 

There's both a fixed component (page 114) and a variable component (page 112, table 7), and I'm guessing the variable component will be worth a bit more in ~20 years when Poppen would be eligible to receive it. But you're right, 43 days alone in one season isn't worth all that much at age 45. It's a bit better if you wait until age 62, although nothing close to a living income.

 

Fortunately for Poppen, he earned quite a bit more service time in 2020 (maybe 68 days, after prorating?), so I think he's past 2 quarter-units and very close to 3 now, plus he may even qualify already for the higher-3-year-consecutive-average-salary fixed benefit (table 9, pg 115). His benefit at age 62 may soon or already be about $1k a month or more?

 

(I wonder if Poppen would be amused to know that strangers on the internet are trying to estimate his pension benefit!)

 

[Seth Stohs]

Yeah, figured Poppen would get claimed. His stuff is too good. 

[Danchat]

I would have expected the Pirates to have claimed Littell, not Poppen. I suppose Poppen has the better stuff, but he didn't look good when he pitched for the major league squad.