Morosi: Gibson nearing deal with Rangers

[AZTwin]

I’m super happy for Kyle but giving a person in his situation $30m is utter insanity.

Why is it insanity? He was a good pitcher for us for many years and still has a lot left in the tank. $10M is pretty cheap for a veteran pitcher and about what I thought he’d get. Maybe 2 years, 24-25 is what I would have thought

[Danchat]

 

Why is it insanity? He was a good pitcher for us for many years and still has a lot left in the tank. $10M is pretty cheap for a veteran pitcher and about what I thought he’d get. Maybe 2 years, 24-25 is what I would have thought

It's a sizable sum for a guy with a chronic condition that may never go away. Will he regain the health to pitch a full season? He looked like a shell of himself at the end of last year, he couldn't even get outs against the Royals or Tigers. There's all that to worry about, and I haven't even mentioned his nibbling tendencies.

 

I see the upside of the move. He has very good swing-and-miss numbers but never quite broke out to be the pitcher many thought he would be. It's just a very risky move since the potential for him to bottom out is not unlikely.

[ashbury]

I’m super happy for Kyle but giving a person in his situation $30m is utter insanity.

My forecast is he'll be worth the salary, one of the seasons, and not, for the other two years.

 

This could easily be "off by one."

[Brock Beauchamp]

Why is it insanity? He was a good pitcher for us for many years and still has a lot left in the tank. $10M is pretty cheap for a veteran pitcher and about what I thought he’d get. Maybe 2 years, 24-25 is what I would have thought

If healthy, that’s a great price for Kyle.

 

Thing is, he’s not healthy and his condition appears to be quite hard to manage.

[AZTwin]

Gibson is a stud. This is a really good deal for the Rangers and I understand why Gibson would take the guaranteed money. Thank you for all the contributions Kyle, wish we could’ve kept ya!

[Vanimal46]

Now that Gibson is a Ranger, the longest tenured Twins player is... Jorge Polanco! Debuting in June 2014.

[Rosterman]

An interesting takeaway with the Gibson signing by Texas. This is something the Twins would do in the past...sweep in and possibly overpay just a bit for a mid-line starter, early in the process. Blow someone away, maybe, to come to Minnesota. 

 

Be interesting to see if the new regime can actually playball with the big boys, remembering that $110 million to play for New York, Boston, Chicago or maybe a few other teams is as good as the same offer from Minnesota. 

 

The only way the Twins win is (1) More Money (2) More Years (3) Prving that they really are competitive now and tomorrow.

[Darius]

KG is very obstinate. He has wasted above average MLB talent. Nibble - nibble - nibble. Will continue doing so in Texas. Tigers don’t change their stripes.

Bad take.

 

2nd half of 2017 through his illness he was very good. Extremely underrated by a number of fans during that span. 2014 through 2015 his ERA was just slightly north of 4. At worst, he’s a serviceable back-end guy when healthy. At best, you’re getting a very good starter with pretty darn good stuff.

 

For 3 years 30 mil, he could be a bargain.

The problem never really lied with Gibson as a Twin, but in the expectations of most fans for a 3rd-5th starter. Do a quick review of the 4th-5th starters around the MLB and tell me Gibby wasn’t better than every single one of them when healthy.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

My forecast is he'll be worth the salary, one of the seasons, and not, for the other two years.

 

This could easily be "off by one."

See, I don't even believe that to be true.

 

Given what I've read of his illness, I think a team could get maybe 80-100 good innings out of Kyle before he ultimately deteriorates and turns bad again. Endurance seems to be a real problem with this sickness.

 

In a vacuum, 80-100 good innings is something you want every year! The problem is that it's hard to spot when decline starts, it's even harder to stop it before negative value is given, and then you have to find a replacement for the rest of those innings. In the end, a team can be left with neutral (or close) value because the value of bad innings can overtake good innings pretty quickly in starting pitching.

 

I just don't see this working out well. And that's unfortunate because I only wish the best for Gibson.

[ashbury]

I just don't see this working out well. And that's unfortunate because I only wish the best for Gibson.

My "off by one [year]" comment was meant to humorously convey that I don't have a lot of confidence either way, and your forecast is highly possible.

 

Neither of us would have signed him.