General politics

[biggentleben]

 

that was a different time, way different time. Nothing like the politics of today.

 

Not if you paid attention to the most recent governor election in the state. A Democrat, very frequently pictured in his wheelchair, had to have a fake news attack paid for by the Republican party the weekend before the election and pushed hard on social media in order to get a multiple-term US Representative Republican elected to the governorship. The votes are still there for someone who shows actual interest in people in the state.

[biggentleben]

After watching the Frontline piece on Mitch McConnell ("Supreme Revenge"), I really don't know if there's a person who needs to be out of Washington more than McConnell. He's up for election in 2020, but in Kentucky, it's almost impossible to imagine him not being re-elected.

[howeda7]

 

that was a different time, way different time. Nothing like the politics of today.

It was 2004, not 1904.

[howeda7]

 

Not if you paid attention to the most recent governor election in the state. A Democrat, very frequently pictured in his wheelchair, had to have a fake news attack paid for by the Republican party the weekend before the election and pushed hard on social media in order to get a multiple-term US Representative Republican elected to the governorship. The votes are still there for someone who shows actual interest in people in the state.

It seems obvious Sutton will run for the Senate seat in 2020, doesn't it?

[biggentleben]

 

It seems obvious Sutton will run for the Senate seat in 2020, doesn't it?

 

...and he'd be a very tough candidate in that election, very feasibly taking the seat from Rounds.

[Mike Sixel]

Not if you paid attention to the most recent governor election in the state. A Democrat, very frequently pictured in his wheelchair, had to have a fake news attack paid for by the Republican party the weekend before the election and pushed hard on social media in order to get a multiple-term US Representative Republican elected to the governorship. The votes are still there for someone who shows actual interest in people in the state.

Did the Democrat win?

[Mike Sixel]

It was 2004, not 1904.

Not when Daschel was first elected. And, that's a long time ago in politics. Look at the GoP now vs then. No comparison.

[Mr. Brooks]

Yeah, 2004 might as well be the stone age when it comes to our current political climate.

[biggentleben]

 

Did the Democrat win?

 

He was leading all polls going into the final week of the campaign, and the presumed favorite flooded television and social media with a false accusation campaign that was not able to be widely refuted before election day, and exit polls showed that to be the difference in the election. Without that final campaign, he had defeated a multiple-term Republican US Representative that had achieved state election in spite of a lack of production in that role.

[biggentleben]

 

Not when Daschel was first elected. And, that's a long time ago in politics. Look at the GoP now vs then. No comparison.

 

No, he won his first term in the mid-1980s. In South Dakota, that was even more strict party alignment as Reagan had pushed the farmers in that direction strongly.

[Mike Sixel]

He was leading all polls going into the final week of the campaign, and the presumed favorite flooded television and social media with a false accusation campaign that was not able to be widely refuted before election day, and exit polls showed that to be the difference in the election. Without that final campaign, he had defeated a multiple-term Republican US Representative that had achieved state election in spite of a lack of production in that role.

But he didn't. That's how the one side plays now. Which was my point, times have changed. That was my whole point in that post, it's a different time now....

[Mike Sixel]

No, he won his first term in the mid-1980s. In South Dakota, that was even more strict party alignment as Reagan had pushed the farmers in that direction strongly.

Politics has changed since then. That's the point I was trying, unsuccessfully, to make.

[biggentleben]

 

But he didn't. That's how the one side plays now. Which was my point, times have changed. That was my whole point in that post, it's a different time now....

 

Yes, and no. It's been seen across the country in other districts that the hands-on approach (not literal hands-on, obviously...) can be a huge sway for votes. South Dakota is unique in that there is a tremendously large amount of land in the state, but there are also some very distinctly different places to campaign. Sioux Falls is its own beast. The reservations are their own campaign conundrum. The western half of the state is incredibly spaced-out ranch land other than the Black Hills and reservation land (both their own distinct places as well). The eastern half is much more crop farmers and "industrial".

 

It's a tactic that is used now, yes. However, it does not mean defeating that is impossible. It certainly did not help Noem's cause once it was revealed it was false. She had some strong discord from her own party in the state legislature this year in session. That's incredibly rare, and nearly unheard of in this state.

[howeda7]

 

...and he'd be a very tough candidate in that election, very feasibly taking the seat from Rounds.

I still wouldn't bet on it, but he has as good a chance as the Dems are going to get.

[howeda7]

 

Did the Democrat win?

No. But I would say his performance was more impressive than Beto O'Rourke getting within 3 of Ted Cruz.

[biggentleben]

 

I still wouldn't bet on it, but he has as good a chance as the Dems are going to get.

 

Well, there is a better choice, but she's not running right now, and likely won't again, sadly.

[LaBombo]

 

Well, there is a better choice, but she's not running right now, and likely won't again, sadly.

 

She's just bidin' her time...

 

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LXm6ashGOf0/hqdefault.jpg

[biggentleben]

 

She's just bidin' her time...

 

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/LXm6ashGOf0/hqdefault.jpg

 

Um....not even close. I'm talking about the better option to run for Senate in South Dakota.

[LaBombo]

 

Um....not even close. I'm talking about the better option to run for Senate in South Dakota.

 

I know, I read the thread, that's what made it fun. For me, anyway.

 

Edit: I'm not sure who you DO mean, but if it's SHS she was thought by many Dems to be too moderate in 2014, which in 2019 would make her a Dino, if not a Rino.

[howeda7]

 

Well, there is a better choice, but she's not running right now, and likely won't again, sadly.

Oh Noem will run for re-election. Book it. But he can do both. Frankly, the only way for a Dem in SD to build name recognition is to keep running for things. Being the minority leader of the Senate when it's 90/10 R doesn't mean much.

[biggentleben]

 

Oh Noem will run for re-election. Book it. But he can do both. Frankly, the only way for a Dem in SD to build name recognition is to keep running for things. Being the minority leader of the Senate when it's 90/10 R doesn't mean much.

 

No, I meant Stephanie Herseth, but she's enjoying her new role and was very turned off by the way things were handled at the end of her political career in SD, much at the hands of Noem's team.

[biggentleben]

You just cannot make this stuff up:

 

moments ago, @senatemajldr McConnell on #Reparations: "I don't want reparations for something that happened 150 years ago...we've tried to deal with the original sin of slavery by passing civil rights legislation and electing an African American president...."

 

Essentially, a "What?! We gave you people a president!! Isn't that enough?!" I just cannot understand how this man holds such a powerful position in our political arena in this country today.

[howeda7]

 

No, I meant Stephanie Herseth, but she's enjoying her new role and was very turned off by the way things were handled at the end of her political career in SD, much at the hands of Noem's team.

Sorry. Misunderstood. Thought you were saying Sutton should wait and run for Gov again.

 

Meh. She's not a better option than Sutton. Stayed out of it too long. Plus, even though she's back, they would hit her with the "out of touch DC'er" "not a real South Dakotan" stuff they slammed Dashle with.

[ashbury]

moments ago, @senatemajldr McConnell on #Reparations: "I don't want reparations for something that happened 150 years ago...we've tried to deal with the original sin of slavery by passing civil rights legislation and electing an African American president...."

Race is such a beacon to some eyes, that to them blackness was the defining characteristic of the Obama presidency.

 

He'd get indignant if someone called him racist, and yet McConnell sees events through exactly such a prism, and he gives it away in off-hand comments like that.

[howeda7]

 

 

You just cannot make this stuff up:

 

moments ago, @senatemajldr McConnell on #Reparations: "I don't want reparations for something that happened 150 years ago...we've tried to deal with the original sin of slavery by passing civil rights legislation and electing an African American president...."

 

Essentially, a "What?! We gave you people a president!! Isn't that enough?!" I just cannot understand how this man holds such a powerful position in our political arena in this country today.

Wow. He should have stopped after the first sentence.

[ewen21]

I would be interested to hear what anyone thinks reparations should look like.

 

Personally, I am against it.  My family was in eastern Europe living in virtual poverty all the way up until the early 20th century.  This is the story with a whole lot of other European-Americans.

 

Maybe some people have families that have been here since times of slavery and there is a certain amount of guilt associated with it.  Go ahead and beat that drum if it makes you feel better.  I'll be over here ignoring the noise

[biggentleben]

 

Sorry. Misunderstood. Thought you were saying Sutton should wait and run for Gov again.

 

Meh. She's not a better option than Sutton. Stayed out of it too long. Plus, even though she's back, they would hit her with the "out of touch DC'er" "not a real South Dakotan" stuff they slammed Dashle with.

 

I get it. She's been out too long now. She's a family friend, and I know her heart for helping/improving the state. The stuff Noem used was dirty politics crap (Steph's husband had a job working for a lobbying firm, so she MUST be completely in the pocket of that lobbying firm - nevermind that they never made a donation to her once), and it really bugged Stephanie because she was spending quite a bit of time in South Dakota due to health issues in her family, yet she never countered Noem with that publicly to confront the crappy politics being used in the race, now a hallmark of Noem's campaigning.

 

She's in a different position now in her life with her son coming up on teenage years soon and really enjoying life working in academics at Augustana, but frankly, it was a sad sign of things to come in the state to watch that campaign play out.

[Badsmerf]

I would be interested to hear what anyone thinks reparations should look like.

 

Personally, I am against it.  My family was in eastern Europe living in virtual poverty all the way up until the early 20th century.  This is the story with a whole lot of other European-Americans.

 

Maybe some people have families that have been here since times of slavery and there is a certain amount of guilt associated with it.  Go ahead and beat that drum if it makes you feel better.  I'll be over here ignoring the noise

I doubt anyone here is for reparations... The point about McConnell isn't that he doesn't like the idea, it is the racist manner in which he chose to convey the message.

[Brock Beauchamp]

 

I would be interested to hear what anyone thinks reparations should look like.

 

Personally, I am against it.  My family was in eastern Europe living in virtual poverty all the way up until the early 20th century.  This is the story with a whole lot of other European-Americans.

 

Maybe some people have families that have been here since times of slavery and there is a certain amount of guilt associated with it.  Go ahead and beat that drum if it makes you feel better.  I'll be over here ignoring the noise

I'm against cash reparations but guilt doesn't have anything to do with it in my eyes. 

 

This is about a community that massively underperforms white Americans in every facet of life. When you boil that down to its essence, you are literally left with two options:

 

1. So much damage was done and is being done to the black community that they are incapable of pulling themselves out of that hole by themselves

 

2. Black people are inferior to white people

 

It's obviously the former, so let's do something about it. Giving poor people cash is a bad solution, as poor people often lack the skills and knowledge to effectively manage money, especially a big pile of it given in one go.

 

So how do we invest in black communities through education, business loans, infrastructure, etc? And how much would it take to get things back on track and do we have the collective stomach to see this through over decades, not years? Because that's what it will take. This isn't a "one and done" situation, it will take generations of concentrated effort.

[ewen21]

Thank you Brock.

 

I'm extraordinarily busy at work but I will try to give you a thoughtful response