Gabriel Moya Added, Engelb Vielma DFAd

[Seth Stohs]

The Minnesota Twins announced this afternoon that they have purchased the contract of Gabriel Moya and called him up to the Twins bullpen. 

 

To make room on the 40-man roster, the team DFAd SS Engelb Vielma.

 

Vielma really struggled with the bat in AAA which should help his chances of clearing waivers and staying in the organization. However, he has two options remaining, which could intrigue teams as well. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

Wow, Vielma posted a 31 wRC+ at AAA. That's rough.

 

Related, why no Palka call-up?

[Squirrel]

Huh, wow, I guess. Not the dfa I was expecting.

[Mr. Brooks]

Wow, Vielma posted a 31 wRC+ at AAA. That's rough.

 

Related, why no Palka call-up?

Probably the sub .760 OPS in AAA from a soon to be 26 year old corner outfielder. I'd guess he'll be removed from the 40 man roster after the season, he's no longer a prospect, IMO.

[Vanimal46]

There's going to be a lot of cleaning up on the 40 man. Good luck to Vielma. Hopefully he stays in the organization with less pressure heading into year 2 at AAA. 

[yarnivek1972]

Probably has more to do with the emergence of Adrianza than anything else.

[Thrylos]

Vielma would have probably lost his spot in November, but, still I don't understand why Perkins is still with the team

[USAFChief]

Every team has aging but defensively capable players who just can't hit.  AAA is littered with them, they make up the bulk of every AAA team..  They can find a Vielma any time they need one.  

 

 

[nicksaviking]

I've learned to live with the rupudedly awful defense of Polanco and Escobar.

 

Give me passable defense and a usable bat over a defensive whiz and a black-hole bat any day.

[Danchat]

It stinks to see Vielma DFA'd, but with his AAA performance, he was going to be axed in November, as mentioned above. He's just 23, so perhaps he can eventually find his way by improving his bat as he'll get about that .490 OPS he's got in Rochester. Even then he only hit .690 OPS in AA (while hitting .286!), so there's virtually no pop in his bat. Great defense, no bat.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Wow, Vielma posted a 31 wRC+ at AAA. That's rough.

Related, why no Palka call-up?

 

He's a left handed corner OF, and they already have two of those? Allegedly he is also not good defensively. And he doesn't hit all that well.

 

I'm not surprised about Vielma, and I agree with the chief on this one. Also Adrianza is Vielma, only can hit.

[bluechipper]

 

Probably the sub .760 OPS in AAA from a soon to be 26 year old corner outfielder. I'd guess he'll be removed from the 40 man roster after the season, he's no longer a prospect, IMO.

Let's cut Palka some slack. He had to deal with an injury this year, and he's coming off a 34 HR season. I'd take him over Vargas.

[bluechipper]

I'm looking forward to seeing what allowed Moya to put up such ridiculous numbers in the minors. Hopefully he can be the left handed version of Trevor Hildenberger down the stretch.

[Vanimal46]

Let's cut Palka some slack. He had to deal with an injury this year, and he's coming off a 34 HR season. I'd take him over Vargas.

Perhaps the FO will have the same thought now that Vargas is out of options. He's another player I expect to get DFA'd and/or not tendered a contract this off-season.

[bluechipper]

 

Perhaps the FO will have the same thought now that Vargas is out of options. He's another player I expect to get DFA'd and/or not tendered a contract this off-season.

I'd agree with that. I hope Palka gets another season on the 40 man to see if he can put up a good rebound season.

[Mr. Brooks]

Let's cut Palka some slack. He had to deal with an injury this year, and he's coming off a 34 HR season. I'd take him over Vargas.

I'm not sure what any of that has to do with what I posted.

I didn't call for his execution, I simply gave a valid reason why he's not getting a September call up.

Regardless of the "why" behind his poor performance, the numbers don't show a player who is going to help the club. For example, if he's putting up poor numbers because he's playing hurt, then you wouldn't want him up here trying to get his feet wet while injured.

 

I'm also not sure what Vargas has to do with Palka. Vargas is a switch hitter and they don't even play the same position.

 

As to the no longer a prospect comment, I clearly stated that was my opinion. I'm not required to cut him any slack for my opinion. If he was playing injured, then sure that might change my opinion, but is there any evidence that he was?

Just because he also missed time with an injury, doesn't mean he wasn't healthy when he did play.

[Mr. Brooks]

I'd agree with that. I hope Palka gets another season on the 40 man to see if he can put up a good rebound season.

 

He doesn't have to be on the 40 man roster to have a bounce back season. I'd expect he'd clear waivers given his age, position, poor defense, and AAA numbers.

[yarnivek1972]

Let's cut Palka some slack. He had to deal with an injury this year, and he's coming off a 34 HR season. I'd take him over Vargas.

Curious take. Palka has a career .767 OPS in AAA. Vargas has a career .745 OPS at the MLB level. Palka is only 18 months younger.

[bluechipper]

 

Curious take. Palka has a career .767 OPS in AAA. Vargas has a career .745 OPS at the MLB level. Palka is only 18 months younger.

Their career minor league OPS is almost even though. We know what Vargas is, and he's not a good enough hitter to make up for his other deficiencies.

[bluechipper]

 

He doesn't have to be on the 40 man roster to have a bounce back season. I'd expect he'd clear waivers given his age, position, poor defense, and AAA numbers.

Adam Brett Walker got claimed, and Palka is a much better prospect.

[Mr. Brooks]

Adam Brett Walker got claimed, and Palka is a much better prospect.

I'm not sure he is a better prospect anymore (better than when aBW was cut) after this season.

Plus aBW was a full year younger, and was only claimed so that he could be waived again right away.

 

Again, just my opinion, we'll see.

[yarnivek1972]

Their career minor league OPS is almost even though. We know what Vargas is, and he's not a good enough hitter to make up for his other deficiencies.

Palka isn't fast or considered a good defensive outfielder. So, other than Palka's hitting, which isn't likely to be better than Vargas', what in your opinion does he bring to the table that Vargas does not? btw, Vargas has a career .815 AAA OPS, substantially higher than Palka's. And although the overall milb numbers are close, Vargas' are higher. Keeping in mind that he made his pro debut at 18, as opposed to 21 like Palka. When Vargas was 21, he was posting a 1.030 OPS over a full season at A ball. Palka played mostly rookie ball at 21.

 

So, yes we know what Vargas is, but given their minor league numbers, it seems likely that Palka wouldn't be as good.

[bluechipper]

 

Palka isn't fast or considered a good defensive outfielder. So, other than Palka's hitting, which isn't likely to be better than Vargas', what in your opinion does he bring to the table that Vargas does not? btw, Vargas has a career .815 AAA OPS, substantially higher than Palka's. And although the overall milb numbers are close, Vargas' are higher. Keeping in mind that he made his pro debut at 18, as opposed to 21 like Palka. When Vargas was 21, he was posting a 1.030 OPS over a full season at A ball. Palka played mostly rookie ball at 21.

So, yes we know what Vargas is, but given their minor league numbers, it seems likely that Palka wouldn't be as good.

Palka can at least run a little bit, and he can play a position. The main thing is we know Vargas isn't very good, but we don't know that about Palka.

[jud6312]

 

Vielma would have probably lost his spot in November, but, still I don't understand why Perkins is still with the team

I was right there with you in hoping this tenure would be over. I mean, maybe since he hasn't pitched in September he's doing little more than collecting a check. I'd rather he did that off of the 40, but it is what it is. 

[drivlikejehu]

I think we know or should know that Palka isn't "very good." Whether Palka fits on a roster better than Vargas because Palka can at least notionally play the OF corner spots . . . quite possibly, but both are marginal AAAA types. 

[Mr. Brooks]

Palka can at least run a little bit, and he can play a position. The main thing is we know Vargas isn't very good, but we don't know that about Palka.

Ok but the question that sparked this debate was why Palka isn't up here.

Not knowing if Palka is bad is not in any way a reason to bring him up.

 

There are legitimate reasons why Palka isn't up here, so I'm still not sure how this turned into Palka vs. Vargas. They are not in any way relevant towards each other.

[yarnivek1972]

 

Ok but the question that sparked this debate was why Palka isn't up here.
Not knowing if Palka is bad is not in any way a reason to bring him up.

There are legitimate reasons why Palka isn't up here, so I'm still not sure how this turned into Palka vs. Vargas. They are not in any way relevant towards each other.

Probably because the only thing either one really does is hit.  One is at the MLB level and the other is the only position player on the 40 man roster who is not.

[Mr. Brooks]

Probably because the only thing either one really does is hit. One is at the MLB level and the other is the only position player on the 40 man roster who is not.

It's September. If the FO wanted, they could both be up here.

Vargas has nothing to do with Palka not being up here.

Vargas is actually a positive WAR player this year, he leaves a lot to be desired, but he doesn't really hurt you.

 

Palka's AAA numbers would probably translate to a high .600's OPS at mlb, at best.

 

If the FO thought he could help, he'd be here.

[Old Twins Cap]

Yeah, members of this board need to man-up a little.

 

We want World Series rings, not onion rings.

 

Arguing about AAA player stats, how they are marginally better than a marginal 40-man player -- is not going to move the Twins needle marginally or otherwise.

 

He's either got upside or he's got to get outside the organization.  Palka can't do Kepler's laundry at this point.  Give us speed, defense or other tangibles, or you cut bait, and wait for the next guy who brings something.

 

Look what Cleveland made out of a cast-off like Austin Jackson.  Tons of pieces out there.

 

No use imagining windmills, and waiting years to realize you were wrong.

[Hosken Bombo Disco]

Anyone have any info on Moya's stolen base numbers against? How is he holding runners?