Article: Hildenberger (And Gee) Gets The Call

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Options can be rescinded.  Here's a few examples:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2017/06/robbie_ross_jr_added_to_big_league_disabled_list_after

 

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/123392352/seattle-mariners-tyler-olson-placed-on-15-day-dl-option-rescinded/

 

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/rockies-rescind-option-on-chacin-who-goes-on-dl-34243235-050712

 

Obviously Chargois was optioned a while ago, so I'm not sure it would be quite so straightforward, and it would be the 60-day DL rather than the 15-day DL, but I'm also not finding any language anywhere yet that strictly prohibits it.  It's an odd area of transactional rules, to be sure!  It seems that, as long as their is no dispute about his health and timeline for return, he and the player's union would welcome the MLB back pay and service time (plus freeing up a spot for an additional union member?).

 

Otherwise, you are correct that there doesn't appear to be a direct mechanism for moving a player from a minor league DL to the MLB 60-day DL. Per Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disabled_list#Minor_League_Baseball

 

Interesting info.

 

That said, in our case there's plenty of 40 man chaff that can be let go... but I can see a scenario where this makes sense.  I'm sure the player won't mind getting major league pay (and back pay) along with a crack at FA quite a bit sooner.

[Danchat]

Wow, not only do we get Hildenberger and Gee, but we also get to see Granite debut! I'm glad they've given up on Breslow, so we're almost through with the chaff in the bullpen. Belisle has been serviceable as of late, so I won't ask for his release.... yet.

[Mike Sixel]

 

Wow, not only do we get Hildenberger and Gee, but we also get to see Granite debut! I'm glad they've given up on Breslow, so we're almost through with the chaff in the bullpen. Belisle has been serviceable as of late, so I won't ask for his release.... yet.

 

Granite?

[GM64]

Looking at the 40-man roster, I think it almost has to be two of Wimmers, Belisle, and Breslow that get DFA'd.  I realize that would mean a third player must come up, but I can't find a minor-leaguer I think the Twins should drop from the 40-man.  I suppose maybe the Twins would drop Palka or Murphy, but that would  be surprising.   

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

They have Gee now, so we shall see.

I always saw Vogelsong as day 1 insurance, possible recovery of (minimal) value, not longer term depth.

The Twins had a pretty clear first 7. That does impact somewhat the type of minor league signing you can make. Tepesch types are what you get.

Why did they need Vogelsong as "day 1 insurance" if they had a "pretty clear first 7"?

 

The Rangers had a pretty clear first 7 or so.  They got Gee rather than Tepesch.  The Angels had a pretty clear first 7 or so this spring too (before injuries took their toll) -- they got Petit rather than Tepesch.  Maybe not having Vogelsong lurking as "day 1 insurance" helped their cases?  The Angels were probably helped additionally by not having a Rule 5 pick taking a spot, especially considering Petit's experience in relief.  (Texas did have a Rule 5 pick on their staff, although they returned him about two and half weeks into the season.)

 

Hopefully the time when Gee would have beneficial to this club is nearly over.  We'll get Santiago back, we've got a couple interesting relievers with options on the 25-man now, and Breslow's days must be numbered (right?).

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Wow, not only do we get Hildenberger and Gee, but we also get to see Granite debut! I'm glad they've given up on Breslow, so we're almost through with the chaff in the bullpen.

I believe that was one poster's idea/suggestion, not actual transactions.  Pretty sure Granite is still in AAA and Breslow still on the MLB staff, at least for today!

[Oldgoat_MN]

In 2010 Dillon Gee pitched 33 innings. Baseball-Reference gave him an ERA+ of 181 for the season.

Since then he has not had an ERA+ of 100 or greater in any year.... Until this year, when he is posting an FIP of 7.45, a WHIP of 1.769 and a 6.9 K/9 and an ERA+ of 114.

 

I don't have much confidence in ERA+ anymore.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Looking at the 40-man roster, I think it almost has to be two of Wimmers, Belisle, and Breslow that get DFA'd.  I realize that would mean a third player must come up, but I can't find a minor-leaguer I think the Twins should drop from the 40-man.  I suppose maybe the Twins would drop Palka or Murphy, but that would  be surprising.   

Palka wouldn't be that surprising.  Remember, he was not highly regarded before, he's got a modest 108 wRC+ at AAA this year, and he's been on the DL for about a month with a hand injury.  Seems like a pretty good confluence of factors that could slip him through waivers?  There isn't much of a path to MLB playing time for him in Minnesota this season, and he could easily be a waiver casualty next winter anyway.

[Thrylos]

Wimmers and JR Murphy (of .228/.305/.360 slash in AAA) are the 2 obvious choices for me...

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

In 2010 Dillon Gee pitched 33 innings. Baseball-Reference gave him an ERA+ of 181 for the season.

Since then he has not had an ERA+ of 100 or greater in any year.... Until this year, when he is posting an FIP of 7.45, a WHIP of 1.769 and a 6.9 K/9 and an ERA+ of 114.

 

I don't have much confidence in ERA+ anymore.

In small samples, you shouldn't have much confidence in it.  Gee has given up 4 unearned runs in just 13 innings this year.

 

Even with ERA+ figures below 100 (actually 95 is more like average for starting pitchers), Gee was fairly useful through 2014.  He got hit hard in a few games in 2015 to get DFA'd, then started serving up HR with the Royals in 2016, and both of those trends have continued in his small MLB sample in 2017 so far.

 

In previous posts, I may have been overrating his 2017 usefulness vis-à-vis Nick Tepesch.

[Danchat]

 

I believe that was one poster's idea/suggestion, not actual transactions.  Pretty sure Granite is still in AAA and Breslow still on the MLB staff, at least for today!

Whoops, it seems I thought that poster was announcing some moves, but I don't see confirmation anywhere. I apologize for misleading you guys!
 

But I do wonder what the 40 man moves will be...

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

In other news, Nolasco is now 2-9, 5.23 with the Angels who are still thinking it's "just a bad pitch here or there", he "was good for a month last year" and "we think we can get him back on track". It's Deja' Vu  all over again. 

Primarily, the Angels probably think (correctly) that they don't have any better options.  (Which is also deja vu to various Twins seasons )

[Doomtints]

 

In 2010 Dillon Gee pitched 33 innings. Baseball-Reference gave him an ERA+ of 181 for the season.

Since then he has not had an ERA+ of 100 or greater in any year.... Until this year, when he is posting an FIP of 7.45, a WHIP of 1.769 and a 6.9 K/9 and an ERA+ of 114.

 

I don't have much confidence in ERA+ anymore.

 

He had a boatload of unearned runs this year.  ERA+ would be comparing his ERA to the ERA of the league, so the unearned runs don't count. Plus you have to consider that his sample size is 4 relief appearances.

 

But yes, I'm not sure what the Twins will get out of Gee. Certainly more than Hurley, and hopefully more than Gibson/Hughes/Santiago.  But it won't be much more.

 

In any case, he's not stretched out so he is probably going to the pen.

Edited June 23, 2017 by Doomtints

[Seth Stohs]

Wimmers and Mason Melotakis are DFAd. 

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

But I do wonder what the 40 man moves will be...

Wimmers is all but guaranteed to be one of them (I sure hope he didn't see Wolfson's erroneous tweet that said he was getting called up last night!).

 

Maybe we should set some probabilities for the second 40-man cut?

 

20% Palka

20% Haley

5% Murphy

1% Chargois 60-day DL voodoo?

54% something else that no one here was even considering...

EDIT: I typed this before Seth's post, and I was right!

Edited June 23, 2017 by spycake

[Doomtints]

 

 

In other news, Nolasco is now 2-9, 5.23 with the Angels who are still thinking it's "just a bad pitch here or there", he "was good for a month last year" and "we think we can get him back on track". It's Deja' Vu  all over again. 

 

I don't remember hearing that around here. The Twins seemed mostly silent about Nolasco and most of us were done with him early on. We felt we were stuck with him due to his contract.

 

The "Ignore everything else, just buy guys with a low FIP" experiment died fast, no?

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

Wimmers and Mason Melotakis are DFAd. 

Wow, that's harsh.  I suppose Melotakis will get claimed, he's left-handed and breathing (with options).  Would have been nice to push him a little bit at AAA or even MLB earlier this year.

 

I guess a silver lining to this cloud is it opens another spot in Rochester's pen, would be nice to see Bard or Curtiss move up.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

The "Ignore everything else, just buy guys with a low FIP" experiment died fast, no?

Hey, Nolasco finally figured out how to beat his FIP this year!

[Tibs]

Anyone have a recent scouting report on Melotakis? What the heck is going on there?

[drjim]

Why did they need Vogelsong as "day 1 insurance" if they had a "pretty clear first 7"?

 

The Rangers had a pretty clear first 7 or so. They got Gee rather than Tepesch. The Angels had a pretty clear first 7 or so this spring too (before injuries took their toll) -- they got Petit rather than Tepesch. Maybe not having Vogelsong lurking as "day 1 insurance" helped their cases? The Angels were probably helped additionally by not having a Rule 5 pick taking a spot, especially considering Petit's experience in relief. (Texas did have a Rule 5 pick on their staff, although they returned him about two and half weeks into the season.)

 

Hopefully the time when Gee would have beneficial to this club is nearly over. We'll get Santiago back, we've got a couple interesting relievers with options on the 25-man now, and Breslow's days must be numbered (right?).

Fair, but not going to be too concerned about Gee over Tepesch.

 

Day 1 insurance is if 3 get hurt in spring training or two in wbc aren't ready.

[Thrylos]

 

Anyone have a recent scouting report on Melotakis? What the heck is going on there?

 

This is kind of a shocker to tell you the truth.  Even though his velocity has not returned after him TJ surgery (was 96-97 now 91-93) he was very effective in both AA and AAA.  31% K% in AA is not spare change.  Something must be going on...

[drjim]

I figured they weren't high on Melotakis, but the promotion before the dfa is an interesting strategy.

[drjim]

This is kind of a shocker to tell you the truth. Even though his velocity has not returned after him TJ surgery (was 96-97 now 91-93) he was very effective in both AA and AAA. 31% K% in AA is not spare change. Something must be going on...

The fact they never gave him a shot in the bigs probably provides a hint.

[SirLoin]

Melotakis makes zero sense to me.....

[Seth Stohs]

 

Wow, that's harsh.  I suppose Melotakis will get claimed, he's left-handed and breathing (with options).  Would have been nice to push him a little bit at AAA or even MLB earlier this year.

 

I guess a silver lining to this cloud is it opens another spot in Rochester's pen, would be nice to see Bard or Curtiss move up.

 

John Curtiss up to Rochester.

[Otto von Ballpark]

 

John Curtiss up to Rochester.

Silver lining confirmed! Thanks for coming through, Seth!

 

This must also confirm that they expect Melotakis to be claimed on waivers (or traded à la Wheeler), or they probably wouldn't move up a permanent guy like Curtiss.

 

Guessing Wimmers clears waivers and is back on the Rochester roster in a couple days.

[SirLoin]

 

John Curtiss up to Rochester.

 

So he'll be DFAd next week for a waiver wire retread?

[drjim]

So he'll be DFAd next week for a waiver wire retread?

Thats comes later after he's added to the 40 man.

[nicksaviking]

Melotakis makes so little sense, he seems to have some value. He seems like a legit fit for this bullpen right now.

 

Any chance the Twins have a trade in place but needed to make the move now to get guys called up?

[wsnydes]

 

Melotakis makes so little sense, he seems to have some value. He seems like a legit fit for this bullpen right now.

 

Any chance the Twins have a trade in place but needed to make the move now to get guys called up?

If that were the case, wouldn't you simply put the guys you need on a plane and then announce the corresponding moves before activating them?  Your take makes about as much sense as any at this point though.