2017 MLB draft thread

[Mike Sixel]

 

Callis saying he likes McKay more as a hitter, man I wouldn't want to pick a guy who's a good pitcher/good hitter #1. Go with the guy in Greene who could be a GREAT pitcher:

 

 

did he say how much he likes him as a hitter though? Like Kris Bryant, or like Kepler or what?

[Aaron Cross]

Could anyone here blame Hunter Greene if he tells the Twins he won't sign if we draft him? Look at our track record of drafting and developing pitchers. He'll end up hurt or ineffective. It's a career death sentence. I want the kid bad. But I'll understand if he doesn't want to come here. Who's the last pitcher the twins drafted and developed? Radke? Can't really say Garza. He didn't get good until he left.

[Intramural Legend]

 

Could anyone here blame Hunter Greene if he tells the Twins he won't sign if we draft him? Look at our track record of drafting and developing pitchers. He'll end up hurt or ineffective. It's a career death sentence. I want the kid bad. But I'll understand if he doesn't want to come here. Who's the last pitcher the twins drafted and developed? Radke? Can't really say Garza. He didn't get good until he left.

 

That is a lot of money to leave on the table.  You really can't improve your status from 1:1

[Mike Sixel]

 

Could anyone here blame Hunter Greene if he tells the Twins he won't sign if we draft him? Look at our track record of drafting and developing pitchers. He'll end up hurt or ineffective. It's a career death sentence. I want the kid bad. But I'll understand if he doesn't want to come here. Who's the last pitcher the twins drafted and developed? Radke? Can't really say Garza. He didn't get good until he left.

 

I would not blame him, no.

[Mike Sixel]

 

That is a lot of money to leave on the table.  You really can't improve your status from 1:1

 

What's the difference between 1 and 3? I think the point wasn't about money....it was about long term prospects.

[Intramural Legend]

 

What's the difference between 1 and 3? I think the point wasn't about money....it was about long term prospects.

 

He may not have the option to leave 3 pick money on the table. 

[Mike Sixel]

 

He may not have the option to leave 3 pick money on the table. 

 

What does that have to do with telling the Twins before the draft he doesn't want to come here, which was the question....not that he wouldn't, but that he would tell them that? I literally have no idea what you are talking about, given the question asked.

[King]

Count me in the camp that wants Greene at 1-1.

[Intramural Legend]

 

What does that have to do with telling the Twins before the draft he doesn't want to come here, which was the question....not that he wouldn't, but that he would tell them that? I literally have no idea what you are talking about, given the question asked.

 

At some point, it really doesn't matter what the player wants.  For better or worse, the american sports system is 100% draft based.  If the Twins deem him as the best player in the draft, then they should draft him.  At that point, he has two options.  Sign for 7+ mil, or not.  That's it. 

 

I get that everyone is pissed at everything the Twins do, but it certainly doesn't change the facts they do hold some of the power.  Outside of that, any of the teams drafting at the top had a pretty crappy record last year.  Do you really think The Reds or Padres have a better track record than the Twins?  They all suck.

[InfraRen]

Not the answer I wanted from Callis, haha:

 

[drjim]

#TeamWright

[Mike Sixel]

 

At some point, it really doesn't matter what the player wants.  For better or worse, the american sports system is 100% draft based.  If the Twins deem him as the best player in the draft, then they should draft him.  At that point, he has two options.  Sign for 7+ mil, or not.  That's it. 

 

I get that everyone is pissed at everything the Twins do, but it certainly doesn't change the facts they do hold some of the power.  Outside of that, any of the teams drafting at the top had a pretty crappy record last year.  Do you really think The Reds or Padres have a better track record than the Twins?  They all suck.

 

i'm not mad about this... the question was: could anyone blame Greene if he told the Twins he didn't want to come here? It wasn't about whether it would work. It wasn't about anything else other than that. That was the question, not a bunch of other things that were not the question. And, he lives in California now, he might want to be in SD for that reason partly. 

[laloesch]

 

i'm not mad about this... the question was: could anyone blame Greene if he told the Twins he didn't want to come here? It wasn't about whether it would work. It wasn't about anything else other than that. That was the question, not a bunch of other things that were not the question. And, he lives in California now, he might want to be in SD for that reason partly. 

 

Didn't Jeff Todd over on MLB Trade Rumors hit this today in his article "Draft Notes: Top 50, Greene, Schmidt".  To the effect that "Greene and his family are taking a very active role in assessing organizations and their approaches to developing pitchers."  I guess the Padres are the front runners and Cincinnati is at the bottom of the list.  I think this is them saying he would prefer to pitch in his home state if possible. 

 

 If the Twins select Greene but fail to sign him would they get the second and fifth picks in 2018 similar to what happened with the Astros failing to sign Aiken? 

[Hrbowski]

 

Didn't Jeff Todd over on MLB Trade Rumors hit this today in his article "Draft Notes: Top 50, Greene, Schmidt".  To the effect that "Greene and his family are taking a very active role in assessing organizations and their approaches to developing pitchers."  I guess the Padres are the front runners and Cincinnati is at the bottom of the list.  I think this is them saying he would prefer to pitch in his home state if possible. 

 

 If the Twins select Greene but fail to sign him would they get the second and fifth picks in 2018 similar to what happened with the Astros failing to sign Aiken? 

That would be a dumb way to assess the three teams that are picking first. None of those organizations have had their front offices around long enough to have any track record.

[Mr. Brooks]

That would be a dumb way to assess the three teams that are picking first. None of those organizations have had their front offices around long enough to have any track record.

I believe it said they are tracking their "approach", not necessarily their results.

I think if you had the right contacts, you could get a feel for the approach a FO has towards developing pitching, even without a long track record. Or, maybe not. I don't know.

[Monkeypaws]

 

Could anyone here blame Hunter Greene if he tells the Twins he won't sign if we draft him? Look at our track record of drafting and developing pitchers. He'll end up hurt or ineffective. It's a career death sentence. I want the kid bad. But I'll understand if he doesn't want to come here. Who's the last pitcher the twins drafted and developed? Radke? Can't really say Garza. He didn't get good until he left.

 

The old regime had a bad record. Falvey may usher in a new era of excellence at developing pitching. At least, I'm sure thats what they'll tell Greene. 

[King]

Where is the Greene "only wants to go to San Diego" rumour coming from?

 

 

[Mike Sixel]

Where is the Greene "only wants to go to San Diego" rumour coming from?

I think it is all speculation, frankly. I have yet to read anyone say they feel that way.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Walker only had a 19.5% k-rate his junior year. Rooker is at 17.5%, down from 21.4% as a sophomore. You also need to keep in mind Rooker was redshirted so he's a bit old at 22.176 years. There is some swing and miss to his game, although his game-power is better anything Walker did. Rooker has .300 points of slg on Walker's junior season.

 

The guy I keep thinking of is Paul Goldschmidt, who had an 1.172 OPS his junior year combined with a 10.5% k-rate. He fell all the way to the 8th round. Goldschmidt also turned into a decent base stealer which is kinda what Rooker appears to be already.

 

I don't think Rooker falls very far. I'd bet he's gone by the time we select at 35.

 

Interesting.  I'm kind of in the same boat there....  if they really think that the bat is real, that could potentially be a character we could play said game with and get overslot at a later part of the draft.  I've got to think though that if he's still there in round 3, that we take him otherwise. 

 

What's more interesting is that KLAW doesn't even have him in his top 50... Law likes upside more than most, and apparently he doesn't think Rooker has much.  I'd be curious what he'd say if he were asked.

[killertwinfan]

I saw something on ESPN yesterday saying that Greene's camp has put the word out that their preference is San Diego implying that he will be a difficult to sign.  That being said does he pass up $7M+ to not be with the Twins?  That might be crazy, but I suppose it could happen.  

[diehardtwinsfan]

Greene has come out and said those rumors aren't true for the record. 

[Cory Engelhardt]

Baseball America's podcast from last week about the draft said a few times that the "worst kept secret" in the draft is Greene wants to go either 1st or 3rd, and doesn't want to go the Reds at #2.

 

If the Twins do take Greene, I don't know that I've seen or read anything saying he wouldn't sign with them.

 

That said, if the Twins take Greene (or whoever) and can't sign that player, they would get the 2nd pick in the draft next year. They also would lose all of the slot amount for the #1 pick this year, which doesn't help.

That said, I see no way that the Twins draft Greene, or any player, and can't get them signed. Does anyone else see anything different?

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

i'm not mad about this... the question was: could anyone blame Greene if he told the Twins he didn't want to come here? It wasn't about whether it would work. It wasn't about anything else other than that. That was the question, not a bunch of other things that were not the question. And, he lives in California now, he might want to be in SD for that reason partly. 

 

I don't think you can blame him, and teams do need to consider the player's desire to an extent. You don't want to burn that pick on someone with a bad attitude, though I really think this whole thing is overblown. 

 

On the developing pitching side of things, there's a new front office, made up of guys with a track record in that area.  Greene should be concerned about that... I certainly would be.  There's far more to a baseball career than the signing bonus.

[Cory Engelhardt]

_{https://2080baseball.com/2017/04/mlb-draft-bites-week-ten/}

 

Nice writeup with video on Hunter Greene, Royce Lewis, Alex Lange (LSU) and a few others.

[biggentleben]

 

McKay gets the lefthanded comp version of Nola/Leake, meaning he's not a #1/2 but he'll be in the MLB within a year. Not exactly where I'd want to spend my first pick overall even if the return is pretty sure and quick.

 

JB Bukauskas getting the Stroman/Gray comps due to his size and doubters staying in the rotation the further he develops.  Without question he has the best slider in the draft getting grades in the 70-80's scale and matches with a strong fastball.  

 

Mac Gore's name is the hugest helium going right now went from obscurity to a potential Top 10 pick on the mound but being an athletic lefty SP will do that.  FB that can touch 97 but usually 91-93 mark, has been pitching on MLB rest this year getting acclimated to a pro level structure and still held his velo late into games. A good 12-6 hammer curveball and biting slider, alot to like about his game.  I'm just usually a little weary of helium high schoolers this late in the game but word is he was under more of a spotlight in North Carolina due to Bukauskas and fellow prep Austin Beck.

 

 I can't believe how much Austin Beck is getting talked about after tearing up his knee. 

 

Based on past drafts, the first round pick is slated to take home ~6.7M which in years past would have gave the Twins 3M to play with but after the new CBA rules they'll be lucky to net 1.2M in savings as the slot is 7.7M.

 

Beck has been 100% this year, though, and he gave his knee plenty of time to heal, which has helped.

 

John Manuel said this week that the Nola/Leake comment was in speed to the majors, but he compares his pitches and command/control of them more to Cliff Lee.

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Beck has been 100% this year, though, and he gave his knee plenty of time to heal, which has helped.

 

John Manuel said this week that the Nola/Leake comment was in speed to the majors, but he compares his pitches and command/control of them more to Cliff Lee.

 

I'd be quite happy if this team got a left handed Cliff Lee who was forcing his way on to the 40 man this time next year...  We need starting pitching. 

[nicksaviking]

I'd be quite happy if this team got a left handed Cliff Lee who was forcing his way on to the 40 man this time next year... We need starting pitching.

 

I'd love to have a guy like Lee, but with those types who have modest velocity, the margin for error is just so small.

 

We've heard the "quick to the majors" a ton around here and have Gibson, Wimmers and oodles of other yet-to-debut relievers to show for it. If we want to look outside the organization, Mark Appel was perhaps the epitome of a "quick to the majors" arm. Color me skeptical that that phrase holds any kind of true value.

[drjim]

[drjim]

Would be first 1b to go 1-1. Greene would be first high school righty.

 

I'm still Wright.

[Hrbowski]

By the way, MLB has their top 100 prospect list out. Sam Carlson is #15, and Mike Baumann is #99. Carlson can reach the upper nineties with his fastball and has above average secondary offerings, and since his season just started we could see a MacKenzie Gore like rise to the top of the draft.

 

Baumann played high school baseball for the Mahtomedi Zephyrs and was drafted by the Twins out of high school. There have been a lot of really good players to come out of Mahtomedi in recent years, and one of the top 2018 draft prospects pitched there as well.