Is Gardy coming back to the AL Central?

[Dantes929]

 

I think at one point Gardenhire was a good regular season manager. The problem is the post-season. was so bad and far too often he seemed like a different manager.

Yeah, its like all of a sudden in the playoffs he would put Joe Nathan in there at the end to protect a lead.   A good playoff manager would not have put their all star closer in a situation like that.   Its fine for the regular season but in the playoffs you need to find a different way to hold the lead.   

Sorry for the snark.    I was not sorry to see Gardy go but would have been just fine with our chances if we had continued to get into the playoffs.   The Twins were not the better team but eventually the team would have won some games or series.   The players won the regular season games and they lost the playoff series.    Managers have less impact than you think, IMO. 

[drjim]

Yeah, its like all of a sudden in the playoffs he would put Joe Nathan in there at the end to protect a lead. A good playoff manager would not have put their all star closer in a situation like that. Its fine for the regular season but in the playoffs you need to find a different way to hold the lead.

Sorry for the snark. I was not sorry to see Gardy go but would have been just fine with our chances if we had continued to get into the playoffs. The Twins were not the better team but eventually the team would have won some games or series. The players won the regular season games and they lost the playoff series. Managers have less impact than you think, IMO.

I agree. The Gardy mismanaged his pen in the playoffs is more myth than reality.

 

He put the right players in the right spots and they didn't produce. Such is baseball.

[Thrylos]

 

I agree. The Gardy mismanaged his pen in the playoffs is more myth than reality.

He put the right players in the right spots and they didn't produce. Such is baseball.

 

Right players in the right spots.  During the post-season. 

 

Lemme see:  

 

2006.   Phil Nevin (1) and Jason Tyner (2) as the DHs  and Nick Punto (3) as the starting third baseman.   Right players.

2006.  Starting post-season rotation:  Santana, Bonser and Radke's half shoulder.   Riding pine: Silva, Baker and Garza.   Traded mid season because he refused to throw Andy's two-seamer: Lohse.

2006: Game 1:  Santana is cruizing after an unfortunate second inning, but hits 100 pitches.  Crain in  Oopsie Daisy, 2 hits. a homer..  Guess he was saving Santana's arm for something else, and Joe Nathan for the lead.  Did not happen.

2006: Game 2:  Tied game at 2.  After 6.  Bonser cruising with 87 pitches.  Gardy brings in the pen.  Neshek, senor Sweat, and Juan Rincon happen.  2-5 before Nathan closes the loss.

2006. Game 3:  Must win.  The aforementioned half shoulder Radke pitched instead of healthy Silva, Garza or Baker.  Does admirable for about 2 innings then starts falling apart.  Of course, Gardy keeps him in.  Then he takes him out after 4.  Crain and Reyes (who sucked a couple days previously in.)   Sweep.

 

Right players in the right spots, if you are the opposition.   Would love him to manage against the Twins.

 

 

[twinsnorth49]

Hasn't the City of Detroit suffered enough. It's sad when a loser manager doesn't know when to retire and would rather hurt his ball club with consecutive last place finishes than to swallow his pride and get the hell out of town. Now he's looking to spread his prideful disease. The Twins just need to get better each year and do to the Tigers what they did to the Orioles this year.

Seriously dude, did Gardy shoot your dog or something?

[h2oface]

It will be interesting to see Cabrera in the outfield, and 3 catchers in their outfield on his days off. It will be fun to beat Gardenhire. I heard that he has been declared an emerging nation, and that no windbreaker made can fit him anymore. Probably just another rumor.......

[drjim]

Right players in the right spots. During the post-season.

 

Lemme see:

 

2006. Phil Nevin (1) and Jason Tyner (2) as the DHs and Nick Punto (3) as the starting third baseman. Right players.

2006. Starting post-season rotation: Santana, Bonser and Radke's half shoulder. Riding pine: Silva, Baker and Garza. Traded mid season because he refused to throw Andy's two-seamer: Lohse.

2006: Game 1: Santana is cruizing after an unfortunate second inning, but hits 100 pitches. Crain in Oopsie Daisy, 2 hits. a homer.. Guess he was saving Santana's arm for something else, and Joe Nathan for the lead. Did not happen.

2006: Game 2: Tied game at 2. After 6. Bonser cruising with 87 pitches. Gardy brings in the pen. Neshek, senor Sweat, and Juan Rincon happen. 2-5 before Nathan closes the loss.

2006. Game 3: Must win. The aforementioned half shoulder Radke pitched instead of healthy Silva, Garza or Baker. Does admirable for about 2 innings then starts falling apart. Of course, Gardy keeps him in. Then he takes him out after 4. Crain and Reyes (who sucked a couple days previously in.) Sweep.

 

Right players in the right spots, if you are the opposition. Would love him to manage against the Twins.

I don't have a problem with any of those moves outside of Santana, and even on that we don't have all the information on how Santana was. And even that didn't matter since they scored one run.

 

The '06 bullpen was really good, pulling Boof bleeping Bonser after he survived 6 innings is prudent, not a mistake.

 

Garza was not especially effective down the stretch after being rushed to the majors and had been shut down, Baker had been hurt and not all that effective when he returned, especially in his last start, and Silva wasn't a good pitcher that year.

 

And not Gardy's fault that was the best DH options he was given.

[spinowner]

I don't claim to know enough about managing to say whether Gardy was good at his job or not. But here's a factoid: During the 9 seasons from 2002-2010 he received more total manager of the year votes than any other manager during that period. That doesn't mean he was the best manager in baseball but it does mean that a lot of baseball writers thought he was pretty good.

[jimmer]

There were a lot of 'experts' who liked to disregard our team during preseason predictions and then when our very talented squad did well over and over, they were like, 'It must be the managing'.  Couldn't possibly be that they under-estimated the team consistently.

[Pius Jefferson]

It's the little things like bunting in the first inning in the 2010 ALDS that drove me crazy about playoff Ron Gardenhire.  I get he's a give up the out type of manager but that early in the game is the wrong decision.

[Dantes929]

 

I don't claim to know enough about managing to say whether Gardy was good at his job or not. But here's a factoid: During the 9 seasons from 2002-2010 he received more total manager of the year votes than any other manager during that period. That doesn't mean he was the best manager in baseball but it does mean that a lot of baseball writers thought he was pretty good.

Managers make a lot of good moves that backfire and a lot of bad moves that work out.    When they were winning all  those division races Gardy did some good things but by and large I gave him very little credit so have no problem giving him little blame in the playoffs and the losing seasons but am just fine with seeing the last of him.   

 

[Dantes929]

 

There were a lot of 'experts' who liked to disregard our team during preseason predictions and then when our very talented squad did well over and over, they were like, 'It must be the managing'.  Couldn't possibly be that they under-estimated the team consistently.

That is an interesting and probably pretty accurate take.   I think he did a decent job in the early years but thought his worst year managing was his Manager of the Year season in 2010     Probably his most talented team but the moves that were forced on him due to injury (Valencia for Punto) were moves he should have made anyway but would not have but for the injuries.   These moves worked out so writers said "Hey, Gardy had to deal with all those  injures and still won the division."   It really wasn't to his credit.

[Dantes929]

 

Right players in the right spots.  During the post-season. 

 

Lemme see:  

 

2006.   Phil Nevin (1) and Jason Tyner (2) as the DHs  and Nick Punto (3) as the starting third baseman.   Right players.

2006.  Starting post-season rotation:  Santana, Bonser and Radke's half shoulder.   Riding pine: Silva, Baker and Garza.   Traded mid season because he refused to throw Andy's two-seamer: Lohse.

2006: Game 1:  Santana is cruizing after an unfortunate second inning, but hits 100 pitches.  Crain in  Oopsie Daisy, 2 hits. a homer..  Guess he was saving Santana's arm for something else, and Joe Nathan for the lead.  Did not happen.

2006: Game 2:  Tied game at 2.  After 6.  Bonser cruising with 87 pitches.  Gardy brings in the pen.  Neshek, senor Sweat, and Juan Rincon happen.  2-5 before Nathan closes the loss.

2006. Game 3:  Must win.  The aforementioned half shoulder Radke pitched instead of healthy Silva, Garza or Baker.  Does admirable for about 2 innings then starts falling apart.  Of course, Gardy keeps him in.  Then he takes him out after 4.  Crain and Reyes (who sucked a couple days previously in.)   Sweep.

 

Right players in the right spots, if you are the opposition.   Would love him to manage against the Twins.

Just guessing I could take every series loser in history and point all the moves that should have been made because hindsight is 20/20.   

[diehardtwinsfan]

 

Right players in the right spots.  During the post-season. 

 

Lemme see:  

 

2006.   Phil Nevin (1) and Jason Tyner (2) as the DHs  and Nick Punto (3) as the starting third baseman.   Right players.

2006.  Starting post-season rotation:  Santana, Bonser and Radke's half shoulder.   Riding pine: Silva, Baker and Garza.   Traded mid season because he refused to throw Andy's two-seamer: Lohse.

2006: Game 1:  Santana is cruizing after an unfortunate second inning, but hits 100 pitches.  Crain in  Oopsie Daisy, 2 hits. a homer..  Guess he was saving Santana's arm for something else, and Joe Nathan for the lead.  Did not happen.

2006: Game 2:  Tied game at 2.  After 6.  Bonser cruising with 87 pitches.  Gardy brings in the pen.  Neshek, senor Sweat, and Juan Rincon happen.  2-5 before Nathan closes the loss.

2006. Game 3:  Must win.  The aforementioned half shoulder Radke pitched instead of healthy Silva, Garza or Baker.  Does admirable for about 2 innings then starts falling apart.  Of course, Gardy keeps him in.  Then he takes him out after 4.  Crain and Reyes (who sucked a couple days previously in.)   Sweep.

 

Right players in the right spots, if you are the opposition.   Would love him to manage against the Twins.

 

You forgot 2004.  I'm more upset about how he handled some of those games than this. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

You forgot 2004. I'm more upset about how he handled some of those games than this.

Agreed. 2004 was the infamous Nathan three inning game, wasn't it?

[Hrbowski]

It looks more and more like this is true:

 

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/09/11/detroit-tigers-brad-ausmus-manager-anthony-fenech/72051382/

[twinsnorth49]

 

Haters got to hate. People just hate when they don't have the scoop first. You watch if he is named this thread will vanish and someone will make a thread like they broke the story.

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[Otto von Ballpark]

 

It looks more and more like this is true:

 

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/tigers/2015/09/11/detroit-tigers-brad-ausmus-manager-anthony-fenech/72051382/

To be fair, the Free Press report is just that Ausmus will be let go after the season, which isn't all that surprising.  The Gardenhire part is just a columnist's speculation about potential replacements.

 

Although Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweeted that Garderhire is the heavy favorite:

https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/642332674967793665

 

A little different than the original report here that Gardy was "all but a done deal".  I'd be really surprised if they were that close to finalizing Ausmus' replacement with almost a month to go in the season, unless Gardy was an in-house candidate which he is not.  There are a lot of moving parts (like coaching staff) and who knows what other candidates might become available after the season.

[ScrapTheNickname]

Please, please change the title of this forum to - "allegedly, a week ago" - or even better, delete it.

[rghrbek]

 

Agreed. 2004 was the infamous Nathan three inning game, wasn't it?

Yes it was. 

[twinsnorth49]

I think at some point Ron Gardenhire will get another job as a manager in MLB. I want it noted that I broke the story right here.

[Pius Jefferson]

 

I think at some point Ron Gardenhire will get another job as a manager in MLB. I want it noted that I broke the story right here.

 

 

I think it needs to happen this off-season or the likelihood becomes less and less. 

 

One question I'd ask is rather the window to win a World Series is even open anymore?

[Teddy]

Good for Gardy.  I still try to remember him fondly from the first seven years of his tenure with the Twins. He's a good guy, and hopefully, he'll manage them to consistent third-place division finishes.