Will Sano get some MVP votes?

[DaveW]

Obviously he shouldn't get any 1st 2nd or 3rd place votes, but I think he has to be top ten on a lot of ballots, no? I believe the year Shannon Stewart "sparked" the Twins lineup for 2 months he ended up top ten. Sabo definitely should IMO

[Ultima Ratio]

Chris Sabo?

[SwainZag]

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[DaveW]

Stupid auto correct on phone

[USAFChief]

 

Chris Sabo?

TR's love of veterens has reached a new level.  Gritty as all hell, though.

[SwainZag]

MVP votes are probably pretty far fetched but I think is quickly creeping up on Correa and Lindor in the ROY race

[Ultima Ratio]

 

TR's love of veterens has reached a new level.  Gritty as all hell, though.

I'm always ready to be wrong, but even still with all that grittiness, I just don't see MVP votes this year.

[SwainZag]

If Sano had the qualified at bats he would be leading the MLB in ISO....and that was before today's game.

[nicksaviking]

Does Sid still have a vote?

[USAFChief]

 

Does Sid still have a vote?

Not even Sid knows.

[jimmer]

 

If Sano had the qualified at bats he would be leading the MLB in ISO....and that was before today's game.

that's assuming he would still have this ISO if he had enough plate appearances to qualify.

[mikecgrimes]

 

Obviously he shouldn't get any 1st 2nd or 3rd place votes, but I think he has to be top ten on a lot of ballots, no? I believe the year Shannon Stewart "sparked" the Twins lineup for 2 months he ended up top ten. Sabo definitely should IMO

 

Stewart also hit .280 or whatever it was the first half of the season in the major leagues, huge difference.    Unless Sano hit's 25 HR's and the Twins make the playoffs no way does he get a single vote.

[jimmer]

I would hope the voters wouldn't give any position player who only played around half a season an MVP vote.

 

BTW, what's our record with him in the lineup?

[Rosterman]

I'm not sure if he'll have enough numbers to even compete in the rookie-of-the-year. Unloess he really blows things away in September. He won't have been up for half-a-season. But, still, who knows........

[ScrapTheNickname]

 

I would hope the voters wouldn't give any position player who only played around half a season an MVP vote.

 

BTW, what's our record with him in the lineup?

I did the math.

After the 9/1 game the Twins are 26-24 with Sano in the lineup (.520).

Without Sano, the Twins are 42-39 (.519.)

 

In terms of wins and losses he has no made absolutely do difference thus far.

(Not what I expected!!!).

[nater79a]

 

Stupid auto correct on phone

 

Someday Sabo will auto correct to Sano!

[SwainZag]

 

I did the math.

After the 9/1 game the Twins are 26-24 with Sano in the lineup (.520).

Without Sano, the Twins are 42-39 (.519.)

 

In terms of wins and losses he has no made absolutely do difference thus far.

(Not what I expected!!!).

 

I'm not too surprised.  I would like to see the starting pitcher's ERA in the same time frame.

[DaveW]

I did the math.

After the 9/1 game the Twins are 26-24 with Sano in the lineup (.520).

Without Sano, the Twins are 42-39 (.519.)

 

In terms of wins and losses he has no made absolutely do difference thus far.

(Not what I expected!!!).

without him they would likely be 20-30 in that time period.

 

Also I believe MVP they vote 1-10, as mentioned he shouldn't get any 1st,2nd, 3rd etc votes, but potentially some 8th, 9th, 10th etc

[HitInAPinch]

I'm sure 1 or 2 local writers [Phil Miller, Jim Souhan] will vote for Miguel just to make themselves look good.

Miguel has appeared in 50 games, 211 PA's.   This award is Most Valuable Player for the year.  The definition, even according to the BBWAA.  Read here:  http://bbwaa.com/voting-faq/

 

In slightly less than a 3rd of a season, check with me next year.  This year, I don't believe he deserves a vote.

[nicksaviking]

I wouldn't think he'd have enough games to consider him, but annually the AL generally gets between 20-30 players who get votes.  That probably speaks more to the flaws in the process, which tends to give creedence to the "anything can happen" side.  Jim Thome got votes with only 108 games played for the Twins in 2010, the most Sano will get is 81.

 

Mark Teixeira got MVP votes after a mid-season trade that saw him play only 54 games with the Angels though.  CC Sabbathia also got Cy Young votes after a mid-season trade.  Both of those teams made it to the post season.

[DaveW]

I'm sure 1 or 2 local writers [Phil Miller, Jim Souhan] will vote for Miguel just to make themselves look good.

Miguel has appeared in 50 games, 211 PA's. This award is Most Valuable Player for the year. The definition, even according to the BBWAA. Read here: http://bbwaa.com/voting-faq/

 

In slightly less than a 3rd of a season, check with me next year. This year, I don't believe he deserves a vote.

he will end up playing a half of a season.

[DaveW]

So the question becomes: does the best hitter in baseball for the 2nd half of the season (most important games) deserve some honorable mention type votes 7,8,9,10?

 

I think yes

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

He's absolutely deserving of a vote or two in the top ten. He should get some ROY votes in the top 5. He hasn't played as often as most position players (and don't forget that he's been essentially a DH, not playing in the field much at all), so there's pretty much zero chance he ends up in the top 10 of MVP vote getters, but I'd be surprised if no one put Sano on their ballots somewhere...

[Turd Furgeson]

If he hits this well in September I think he should get some votes, his WAR is already better than Delmon Young's best season when he finished 10th in votes, but of course I don't expect most voters to look at WAR at all. 

 

If he hits this well in September and Correa and Lindor continue to play as well as they have been then I think there is a real argument for Sano over them for RoY too. I didn't think so previously but this recent surge is potentially giving him a bit of an edge, unless you think the extra games that Lindor and Correa played give them a decided advantage. 

[jimmer]

 

So the question becomes: does the best hitter in baseball for the 2nd half of the season (most important games) deserve some honorable mention type votes 7,8,9,10?

I think yes

2nd half games are worth the exact same as the first half games and, therefore, have equal importance.

 

No position player should get MVP votes for 1/2 a season and offense alos shouldn't be the only thing considered. IMO.

[DaveW]

Worth noting that Sano would be tied for 3rd in all the majors with a 177 wRC+, only Harper and Miggy would be ahead of him. He would be tied with Votto and ahead of Cruz, Trout, Goldschmidt!, Donaldson and McCutchen.

 

Solid company to keep.

[jimmer]

 

I'm not too surprised.  I would like to see the starting pitcher's ERA in the same time frame.

14th ranked rotation ERA in the AL in the 2nd half.  26th ranked rotation ERA in MLB in 2nd half (over 5.00)

[jimmer]

 

I did the math.

After the 9/1 game the Twins are 26-24 with Sano in the lineup (.520).

Without Sano, the Twins are 42-39 (.519.)

 

In terms of wins and losses he has no made absolutely do difference thus far.

(Not what I expected!!!).

It's kind of what I expected since most of his games played have been in the 2nd half and we have a losing record in the 2nd half.

 

And I'm not trying to diminish his accomplishments,  I just don't think a position player playing only half a season's games (and half of those, at most, at an actual position) should even be considered for an MVP vote. 

 

He may get some though, nothing surprises me with these awards

[Kirby_waved_at_me]

We'll always have the Twins' Diamond Awards in the off-season. . .

I think Sano will be named the Twins' top rookie for 2015, and it won't be close.

 

Possibly also the Twins MVP, though I think they usually share the wealth so it might end up going to ... Uh... Dozier?

[Dantes929]

 

I did the math.

After the 9/1 game the Twins are 26-24 with Sano in the lineup (.520).

Without Sano, the Twins are 42-39 (.519.)

 

In terms of wins and losses he has no made absolutely do difference thus far.

(Not what I expected!!!).

This is really myopic.    Not only was the rotation worse but Perkins blew 4 games alone when he was perfect the 1st half..  Look at the first and 2nd half splits of Hunter and Dozier.      When Mauer and Morneau were tearing it up in 2009 the Twins stayed at around the .500 mark.  They were .500 without Mauer and they stayed .500 after Mauer went on his MVP tear.    It was only when Punto, Cuddyer, Punto and others started playing well that the Twins became contenders even though Morneau got hurt in the last month.  Does anyone think the Twins would have been .500 until September that year without Mauer and Morneau?    My point is that it is a team game so you can't just look at the record before and after.  

Twins were sinking fast in July with a main culprit being the offense.   There is no way to know how much Sano influenced the team except by gut feel.     If all else stays the same a guy hitting 25 homers in half a season is more valuable than a guy hitting 25 homers over a full season but probably not as valuable as  guy hitting 40 over a full season.    I would say if he continues to have an OPS over 1.00 for the rest of the season  and the Twins stay relevant he should get some consideration in the top 10 but not the top 5..    That is still a BIG IF.   To this point this season Dozier is still the team MVP.   Unless he tanks badly from this point and Sano keeps his hot streak going Dozier will remain MVP and should get more league respect as well.