2016 Election Thread

[nicksaviking]

 

Qualified I'm good with; infinitely more qualified? I'll call BS on that one.

 

Well any number/rating/ranking is infinitely more than zero.

[Craig Arko]

 

Well any number/rating/ranking is infinitely more than zero.

Google "the Integers." Get back to me with your findings.

[Craig Arko]

Perhaps...

 

[nicksaviking]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/12/investing/wells-fargo-hearing-senate-ceo-testify-elizabeth-warren/index.html

 

Would have run away with this thing. She's not a career politicians which is what the most of the Trump supporters claim they want, and she has the personality and aggressive traits that others wish were more evident in Hillary.

[Craig Arko]

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/12/investing/wells-fargo-hearing-senate-ceo-testify-elizabeth-warren/index.html

 

Would have run away with this thing. She's not a career politicians which is what the most of the Trump supporters claim they want, and she has the personality and aggressive traits that others wish were more evident in Hillary.

Would have been my preference, too. Not in the cards.

[DaveW]

Washington Post should be ashamed of themselves.

[TheLeviathan]

Warren is a one trick pony. It's an amazing trick but she isn't nearly as qualified as Hillary.

[USAFChief]

Washington Post should be ashamed of themselves.

The Clinton campaign staff should be ashamed of themselves.

 

They have somehow bungled enough simple things to let Trump back into this. It should be over, for Pete sakes.

[Badsmerf]

I don't see why everyone is dismissing pneumonia so freely. It kills a lot of people every year, 1,000,000 actually. The issue isn't her health per say, pneumonia it's easily treated, it's the secrets. Why not be upfront about it? Just seems lame to me.

[PseudoSABR]

 

I don't see why everyone is dismissing pneumonia so freely. It kills a lot of people every year, 1,000,000 actually. The issue isn't her health per say, pneumonia it's easily treated, it's the secrets. Why not be upfront about it? Just seems lame to me.

Pneumonia kills a million people? Okay, how many of those aren't already elderly or auto-immune definition or impoverished.  Pneumonia is totally treatable, and it's sloppy to suggest otherwise.  

 

Imagine coming down with freaking pneumonia after your opponent has shamelessly and without merit questioned your health? Do you really question the strategy of not being eager to disclose it?  

 

This kind of piecemeal criticism of Clinton is, well, whack.  No other politician get this scrutiny (really).  And everyone continues to shrug at the accusations of misogyny, but continue to be eager to add up the half-truths as total truths.  

 

Honestly, just quit it.  We should be talking about how Trump can't admit that David Duke is deplorable, not pneumonia-disclosure gate.

[Craig Arko]

One woman in a high-pressure job speaks about another.

 

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/09/12/cnn-s-christiane-amanpour-criticizes-media-s-frenzy-over-clinton-s-health/213020

[Squirrel]

 

One woman in a high-pressure job speaks about another.

 

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/09/12/cnn-s-christiane-amanpour-criticizes-media-s-frenzy-over-clinton-s-health/213020

Yep ... but this will get dismissed by most, too. Of course it's not sexism, because, well, it's Clinton so everything she does points to wrong-doing, wrong judgement and scandal. It's not sexism because it's Clinton. The past 25 years of brainwashing has worked. No, she's not innocent of everything. Absolutely not. But she never, ever gets a pass in terms of really looking at events, it's instant guilt. While Trump, who is BY FAR worse and a despicable human being barely gets mentioned. People rushed to this forum to discuss how mishandled her pneumonia was, and maybe there's something to it, and oh, pneumonia kills. Reading these posts you'd think she had far worse and then was immediately duplicitous in some sort of cover up. Yet not once have I heard anyone mention that trump is being brought up on charges of human trafficking. HUMAN TRAFFICKING. Really? Not to mention the charges he is facing of fraud regarding his university scam or charges of campaign donation violations. While I don't know what's true or not, not even a mention about it here, if mentioned, certainly lacking in the frenzy feeding of everything Clinton does. Really? Yeah, right, while maybe we aren't intentional or overt in our misogyny, we certainly aren't innocent of it, either. And it was never about racism with Obama, either. Right. 

[Badsmerf]

Pneumonia kills a million people? Okay, how many of those aren't already elderly or auto-immune definition or impoverished. Pneumonia is totally treatable, and it's sloppy to suggest otherwise.

 

Imagine coming down with freaking pneumonia after your opponent has shamelessly and without merit questioned your health? Do you really question the strategy of not being eager to disclose it?

 

This kind of piecemeal criticism of Clinton is, well, whack. No other politician get this scrutiny (really). And everyone continues to shrug at the accusations of misogyny, but continue to be eager to add up the half-truths as total truths.

 

Honestly, just quit it. We should be talking about how Trump can't admit that David Duke is deplorable, not pneumonia-disclosure gate.

First of all, I did say it's easily treatable, so there's that. Second, I think the larger concern should have been transparency, something she struggles with. I don't think she struggles with it on purpose, it's just one circumstance after another. Yes she receives more scrutiny, underserved on top of it. We've covered that.

[Squirrel]

 

First of all, I did say it's easily treatable, so there's that. Second, I think the larger concern should have been transparency, something she struggles with. I don't think she struggles with it on purpose, it's just one circumstance after another. Yes she receives more scrutiny, underserved on top of it. We've covered that.

When should she have disclosed? Huh? Do you know exactly when she was diagnosed? I know several people who have had pneumonia and it wasn't diagnosed at first symptoms. I think she was as forthcoming as she needed to be and there is not an issue of transparency with this at all. Mountains out of molehills. Because yes, Clinton is one big walking scandal.

[Badsmerf]

I feel like many are just numb with trump. I don't consider him a real candidate. People that support him lose some of my respect. Sorry not sorry. We could write pages and pages about what is wrong with him. Is anybody following this thread voting for him? I just don't feel the need to waste my time on him.

 

Clinton, on the other hand, is likely our next president. I discuss her bungles because they are more relevant to me, as i think she represents our country for possibly the next 8 years (unless the gop pulls their heads and puts a real candidate out there).

[Badsmerf]

When should she have disclosed? Huh? Do you know exactly when she was diagnosed? I know several people who have had pneumonia and it wasn't diagnosed at first symptoms. I think she was as forthcoming as she needed to be and there is not an issue of transparency with this at all. Mountains out of molehills. Because yes, Clinton is one big walking scandal.

I feel like this discussion about her illness has gone on too long. She will recover and be fine, i hope. She should have disclosed something before she nearly fainted imo. She didn't, it's not a big deal. She isn't a big scandal, she's just under a microscope.

[Squirrel]

I feel like this discussion about her illness has gone on too long. She will recover and be fine, i hope. She should have disclosed something before she nearly fainted imo. She didn't, it's not a big deal. She isn't a big scandal, she's just under a microscope.

And why is that? You know, I absolutely cringe with every single step she makes because she has to be ****ING perfect or she gets shredded. No presidential candidate in our history has faced this level of microscopic scrutiny ... and honestly, don't say that if it were a different female candidate it wouldn't be this way. Because it would. We've set a standard for her not because it's Clinton, but because Clinton is a her. Once people stop doing that, maybe discussions would be more legitimate because this was truly ridiculous, imo.

[Squirrel]

 

I feel like many are just numb with trump. I don't consider him a real candidate. People that support him lose some of my respect. Sorry not sorry. We could write pages and pages about what is wrong with him. Is anybody following this thread voting for him? I just don't feel the need to waste my time on him.

Clinton, on the other hand, is likely our next president. I discuss her bungles because they are more relevant to me, as i think she represents our country for possibly the next 8 years (unless the gop pulls their heads and puts a real candidate out there).

You might be numb, but honestly ... how scrutinized is he in comparison? Sure, maybe because it's just not worth discussing because it's so obvious ... but he still will have a LOT of people voting for him. If all his wrongs were treated in the same fashion, maybe those a LOT would really rethink it. But why isn't he being treated the same way in the press and in public? Why aren't these issues of his, which are far worse, being hammered to death? Seriously ... how many people know he's being investigated for human trafficking? I would guess most who read this here do, but I'd bet a lot in the public do not. But I bet way more know about Hillary's pneumonia. 

[twinsnorth49]

The Clinton campaign staff should be ashamed of themselves.

 

They have somehow bungled enough simple things to let Trump back into this. It should be over, for Pete sakes.

Largely over people's obsession with trivial matters though. This thing would and should be over if only those people would focus on how ****ed the country is if Trump becomes president.

 

Hmmm, Hillary not being quite forthright about pneumonia, or Trump as POTUS?

 

Tough call.

[Craig Arko]

We'll all be numb about Trump; right up until he wins the election.

 

Complacency is not excusable.

[TheLeviathan]

Do you guys really believe there is just some unturned stone by the media that will magically get people off the Trump bandwagon?  I keep hearing this argument that "if Trump were as microscopically analyzed then..."

 

Wouldn't most of his supporters either embrace what you see as negative or spin it some other way?  That's the nature of our polarized parties right now.  So I just don't buy that complaint.  

 

This isn't the media picking on Hillary, this is Hillary's team doing an awful job avoiding a firestorm.  Their candidate collapsed and had to be dragged to a waiting car.  I don't care what gender or age that person is, you are going to get a ton of scrutiny about that happening.  And all you had to do, a week ago when she likely had a cold that lead to getting pneumonia, was get out in front of it.

 

Is there a sane person in the world who would criticize her for catching a cold after shaking the hands of thousands of people in different parts of the country?  Sorry, quit looking for the "Woe is Hillary" crap.  This is her team's fault.

[twinsnorth49]

Perhaps she's worried about entrenching the opinion that women just aren't up to the rigours of the job, because you know, child birth and all.

 

I personally don't think anyone is picking on Hillary over this, I think once again people are allowing the media to create the issues they should be focused on, as if there aren't  more important ones. 

 

Politics win again.

[Squirrel]

 

Do you guys really believe there is just some unturned stone by the media that will magically get people off the Trump bandwagon?  I keep hearing this argument that "if Trump were as microscopically analyzed then..."

 

Wouldn't most of his supporters either embrace what you see as negative or spin it some other way?  That's the nature of our polarized parties right now.  So I just don't buy that complaint.  

 

This isn't the media picking on Hillary, this is Hillary's team doing an awful job avoiding a firestorm.  Their candidate collapsed and had to be dragged to a waiting car.  I don't care what gender or age that person is, you are going to get a ton of scrutiny about that happening.  And all you had to do, a week ago when she likely had a cold that lead to getting pneumonia, was get out in front of it.

 

Is there a sane person in the world who would criticize her for catching a cold after shaking the hands of thousands of people in different parts of the country?  Sorry, quit looking for the "Woe is Hillary" crap.  This is her team's fault.

You believe what you want. And I'll believe what I want. Somewhere in the middle is a truth that is difficult to see.

[TheLeviathan]

 

Perhaps she's worried about entrenching the opinion that women just aren't up to the rigours of the job, because you know, child birth and all.

 

I personally don't think anyone is picking on Hillary over this, I think once again people are allowing the media to create the issues they should be focused on, as if there aren't  more important ones. 

 

Politics win again.

 

That's fine, but she collapsed.  Physically collapsed at a relatively major event.  Why would that ever not be a major issue?  I can't even recall the last time that happened, if it ever has before.  And it wasn't just some pit stop in Cleveland to talk about jobs, she was at a 15 year anniversary of 9/11 and had to be all but taken out on a gurney.  We really think it's biased coverage for people to suddenly start questioning that sequence of events?

 

If the goal was "let's avoid making it appear like Hillary isn't up to the rigors of the job" - their strategy failed miserably.  Miserably.  And that's entirely on her campaign.

[twinsnorth49]

 

That's fine, but she collapsed.  Physically collapsed at a relatively major event.  Why would that ever not be a major issue?

 

If the goal was "let's avoid making it appear like Hillary isn't up to the rigors of the job" - their strategy failed miserably.  Miserably.  And that's entirely on her campaign.

That's fine, stupid politics, but once it came out she had pneumonia, the story should have hit the back page.

[TheLeviathan]

 

That's fine, stupid politics, but once it came out she had pneumonia, the story should have hit the back page.

 

Maybe, but when's the last time you recall a candidate passing out on a prominent stage like that?  That'll never be back page.  

 

If Obama keels over tomorrow at a speech about energy, I guarantee you that'll get plenty of coverage too.

[USAFChief]

 

Largely over people's obsession with trivial matters though. This thing would and should be over if only those people would focus on how ****ed the country is if Trump becomes president.

Hmmm, Hillary not being quite forthright about pneumonia, or Trump as POTUS?

Tough call.

Which is exactly why it's her and her staff's job to keep the focus on exactly that.

 

Rather than bumbling things so poorly they allow the focus to shift to her health.

 

She and her staff are to blame for this, nobody else.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Squirrel]

Maybe, but when's the last time you recall a candidate passing out on a prominent stage like that? That'll never be back page.

 

If Obama keels over tomorrow at a speech about energy, I guarantee you that'll get plenty of coverage too.

Both Bushes got ill during big functions. The younger vomited and passed out at a big state dinner. The press was pretty minimal. Yes, it was discussed, he was sick, he was going to fine, then everyone moved on.

 

But thanks for doubling down from the media rabbit hole.

[twinsnorth49]

 

Which is exactly why it's her and her staff's job to keep the focus on exactly that.

 

Rather than bumbling things so poorly they allow the focus to shift to her health.

 

She and her staff are to blame for this, nobody else.  

Well, I'm just shocked, possibly naively, that the electorate can't seem to focus on what matters, that's all.

[gunnarthor]

 

Both Bushes got ill during big functions. The younger vomited and passed out at a big state dinner. The press was pretty minimal. Yes, it was discussed, he was sick, he was going to fine, then everyone moved on.

But thanks for doubling down from the media rabbit hole.

That was a HUGE international event.  He vomited on the Japanese leader.  He was no longer running for President.  I was still in HS but vividly remember this.  It was before the internet but it was everywhere.  It was the cover of Time magazine.  They had a photo spread about it and used it as a metaphor for how the US economy was falling to the rising Japanese economy.  There were editorials galore.  The late night folks had a blast with it because we were all worried that Dan Qualye could become President.  The Quayle was a heart beat away from the Presidency stuck and was an actual issue in the 92 election (the first one I could vote in).