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Only way I see Gray getting moved is if they bring in a pitcher as good, or better, than him first. It'd be a real bold move to sign Correa and turn around and trade your best pitcher when you're not exactly overflowing with guys with his skill. I fully understand the idea of not losing good players for nothing, but at some point it's ok to lose a guy for a comp pick (by offering a QO) because you actually tried to win in a given season. Trading Gray without a pitcher as good or better already in hand (or included in that trade) would be a slap in the face to the team and fans alike.

Wisler, yes. Graterol, no. Pressly, depends on your view. But that was just the ones that came to mind because they're directly tied to the Twins. The Rays guy just happened to be on that show I was watching while this discussion was taking place. Every FO screws up. Far more than 3 times in 6+ years. It's the nature of the job. If I wanted to waste hours and hours I could come up with a list for the other teams and compare them. But I don't want to waste that time.

Welcome to Twins Daily! I think that's a pretty reasonable plan. Depending on the starter they get back, that is.

I think Martin moves into a Gordon style role of mostly OF with a little 2B mixed in here and there. And I really like the idea of them being 2 of the bench players moving forward. I think Lee is probably the odds on favorite to take over for Polanco at 2B now. Maybe 3B if Miranda can't figure out the glove a little more or moves to 1B (which then depends on Arraez and Kirilloff). Lewis in the OF makes a lot of sense to me, but I think he's a star so I'd like to find a single position to plug him in and let him have. Maybe that's LF or maybe it's 2B or 3B depending on Lee and Miranda (they can't move to the OF). Overall I'm not really worried about it. If those 3 guys reach their ceilings you find a place for them. Way better problem to have than too many corner spot guys.

Garlick was designated to make room for Correa. So less likely to be on the 26 man to start the year now.

I don't agree with that thought process. The majority of fans not knowing who these guys are is the exact reason Twins Daily should right about it. It's one of the purposes of this site. To educated and inform fans about what the Twins are doing. I can certainly agree to disagree on things with people. There wasn't anything real to agree or disagree with to the comment from that other poster, though. They simply came on here to be negative without any real reason behind why they were being negative. It happens on a whole bunch of the articles about minor Twins moves. Sometimes literal minor league moves. This time someone chose to reply to a comment I'd made. A few of us were trying to have a real discussion about AJ Alexy and what the Twins possible plans could be. The person quoting me simply wanted to laugh at the idea that the Twins brought in someone like Alexy, and suggested it was laughable that I suggested they may try to change his pitch mix in an attempt to unlock more potential. That wasn't helpful, and didn't move the conversation forward. They didn't disagree with my stance with any thoughtful response. "If it were that easy the Nats would've done it" isn't a thoughtful response. It's simply being negative towards a depth move that every major league team makes all offseason (and regular season) long. I'm more than happy to have a thoughtful back and forth with other posters even if we disagree. But "thoughtful" is the key word there. "Choke, cough, gasp, laugh out loud ..... " isn't thoughtful. "If it was that easy the Nationals would have done it." isn't thoughtful.

Other teams are doing it! Every season! Pitching repertoires change all the time. The frequency, and situations, that pitchers throw pitches changes all the time. You not knowing what's happening around the league doesn't make my comment pointless. You remember Matt Wisler? Big time starting pitcher prospect that bounced around to a few different teams, but could never get his footing in the bigs. Twins claimed him off waivers before the 2020 season. Before that season he threw 5 pitches (4 seam, slider, sinker, curveball, changeup). In 2020 he threw 2 (4 seam slider) with the Twins. Best year of his career to that point because the Twins saw how good his slider was and had him throw it 83.4% of the time. They weirdly non-tendered him after that season and he went to Tampa where he now throws it over 90% of the time and has continued to be a dominant reliever. Remember Brusdar Graterol? The Dodgers have done the opposite with him. He stopped throwing a changeup after he went there. Added a cutter. And cut his sinker usage from 67.7% to 42.7%. Ryan Pressly? Dropped his sinker. Started throwing his slider more than any of his other pitches. Increased the use of his curveball. And reduced the number of fastballs he threw when he went to Houston. Now he's one of the best closers in baseball. https://www.mlb.com/video/top-10-relief-pitchers-6?t=mlb-network https://www.mlb.com/video/top-10-relief-pitchers-9?t=mlb-network This was just on MLB Network's Top 10 Relievers Right Now show. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What were those silly Rays thinking bringing this guy in at the age of 30 and changing his pitch mix? I mean if it were that simple the Royals would've done it. Or the Blue Jays. Or the Cubs. You know, since he was on all those teams before getting to Tampa and breaking out when they changed his pitch usage. Nobody ever said the Twins were going to turn Alexy into some star. Another poster suggested they may use him in long relief if he really has 4 pitches. I suggested another option of dropping pitches that aren't effective and turning him more so into a 2 pitch pitcher (with a 3rd, the changeup, as a change of pace only against lefties). I didn't say that other poster was wrong, and they didn't say I was. We were just providing 2 options for what the Twins could possibly be thinking with this particular player. You felt the need to come in and make a sarcastic comment about other teams never thinking of such things as if it literally isn't happening all over the league, and there aren't guys turning their careers around all over the league by doing it. I'm sorry you're unware of these things. But it's a chance teams give themselves with good arms all the time. I'm sorry you found me suggesting what literally every team is doing as being a possibility that the Twins will do ridiculous. Baseball savant is a wonderful tool for learning more about this practice. You may find it educational.

Anderson was a clear mistake. Just a technicality, but they didn't designate Akil, they left him unprotected not on the 40-man for the Rule V. He had 2 scorching hot months and has been nearly unplayable since. Rosario had a hot month that came at the perfect time. The rest of his time away from MN hasn't been anything to write home about. I mean he had -1.6 bWAR and -1.1 fWAR last year. I get that it's a perception thing, but that doesn't mean people's perceptions aren't wrong, and don't deserve push back. I mean your 3 examples prove the point since really only 1 of them was a poor decision in the moment or in hindsight. The FO deserves criticism for sure. But pretending that this move is bigger than it is makes no sense. How many people on this site could even tell us who Cristian Jimenez is? How many people even knew he played baseball in the Twins system? It's ridiculous to make this out to be some sort of move that we should even have real feelings about. If you'd never heard of either player in a deal it's not a deal worth complaining about.

So your ultimate point is that no teams should ever make any deals to bring in any players that aren't already stars? Do you see a bunch of people jumping and cheering for this move? Anyone claiming it's a difference making move? Anyone even think he's going to throw a pitch for the Twins? These deals happen literally everyday in baseball. Guys bounce around the fringes of 40-man rosters. The Blue Jays traded Chavez Young to the Pirates today for Zach Thompson. The Blue Jays, like the Twins, are trying to make the playoffs in 2023. They traded for a 29 year old starting pitcher with a career 4.44 ERA in 2 seasons. Including a 5.18 ERA in 22 starts in 2022. Chavez Young is a nobody, 25 year old prospect. Have any witty comments about that move? The Padres signed Pedro Castellanos yesterday. Ever heard of him? If it were so easy to get him to be good, why didn't the Red Sox do it when he was with them the last handful of years? The Braces signed Chris Sharpe yesterday. Ever heard of him? If it were so easy to get him to be good, why didn't the Phillies do it when he was with them? You see why I question the point of your post? https://www.mlb.com/transactions/2023/01/10 hit the back button by the date on this page and go see how many of these moves are made literally everyday in major league baseball. Nobody is claiming the Twins just made some crazy move. It's just part of the shuffling of fringe talent that happens all year long as teams hope to be the ones to unlock more potential in a player. I hope you feel better after getting your pointless complaint out there, though.

I don't get the point of this comment? Every team has thought of doing this. Every team does do this. Why even make that comment?

It's early enough that the reports could be wrong, but the amount of detail in the reports certainly lend them to be believable. If the deal is as reported he will truly have no choice but to accept 10 million (when he's 38 years old, by the way, so it's not like he's going to be a great player still) or retire. Their goal was to get as much guaranteed money as possible, and then tack on the best chances they could of adding more money on top of that. From other reports, the Mets dropped down to 157 million guaranteed for 6 years, then options on the next 6 years. They also wanted him to pass a physical every year or be able to void his deal (Jon Heyman I believe was the source on that report). It sounds like 200 million was the most guaranteed that he could get. So he took his 200 million since his ankle isn't likely to look better on scans after next year. It's pretty crazy how far he fell in terms of money. 350 to 200 in less than a month. Yikes.

Or the Twins plan to turn him into a 2 pitch guy and hope he can get control of the fastball and 1 breaker (probably a few changes just to keep lefties honest). He's got so few pitches in the bigs that it's hard to tell if his curve or slider are more effective. He appears to prefer his slider, though. But I'd guess the Twins have a bunch of minor league data on him and they see a pitch in there they can really boost in frequency and help him out.

There have been reports that there's no opt outs included for Correa. The vesting options turn to team options if he doesn't hit the needed PAs the season before. Based on everything out there Correa is with the Twins for 6 seasons no matter what, and he has no control over the 4 after that.

I think the no trade clause is a great sign that Correa wants to be here (I mean he was always going to chase the money, but the idea that he was lying about enjoying his time here seems to be refuted by asking for an ntc). The contract structure is better than anything I could've imagined. It's absolutely perfect for the Twins. I bashed the FO for ignoring other players in hopes of him accepting 10/285. And I stand by that. There's no way they thought he was going to lose 2 contracts of 300+ and fall in their laps again. They lucked into this. But I'm glad they did. I hope there's some moves to be made to better balance the lineup (have to trade a LH OF) and add more controllable pitching if possible. I hope they don't go too crazy, though. I still wouldn't be willing to deal Lewis, Lee, or Rodriguez unless they're getting someone like Alcantara (never happening) or Gallen who are controllable past 2025. Don't destroy the little elite high minors (plus Rodriguez) depth they have to chase 2023 without a plan for the rotation in 2024 and beyond.

First of all, welcome to Twins Daily! Second, that feels like a whole lot to give up for those 2 arms. Royce and Rodriguez are both top 100 global prospects. I'd be pretty upset if the Twins gave up either of them for Lopez (only 2 years of control left), and I don't know that I'd really love giving one up for Cabrera, but he has a lot of control left so that'd make more sense to me.

I had to edit that comment. I was behind on my twitter checking. Dan Hayes is reporting they're vesting options at 575, 550, 525, and 502 PAs. If he doesn't hit those marks they become team options. So Correa has no outs, but Twins can keep him if he only gets to 574 in 2028, etc. Looks absolutely wonderful for Twins. Full no trade for Correa.

Everything I've seen is that they're all vesting options based on him getting 502 PAs the season before. No options or opt outs in the deal. It's certainly early so reports may be wrong, but multiple reports are saying they're straight up vesting options based on PAs the season before. Edited: Dan Hayes is reporting they're vesting options at 575, 550, 525, and 502 PAs. If he doesn't hit those marks they become team options. So Correa has no outs, but Twins can keep him if he only gets to 574 in 2029, etc.

Reports are that it's a frontloaded deal. Love that. Looks like it's 36, 36, 36, 31.5, 30.5, 30 then the vesting options kick in (basically has to be a full time player the season before) at 25, 20, 15, and 10. This doesn't make them instant contenders as the key is still health and production from the young guys. Buxton and Correa signed for less than 50 million a year combined with a whole bunch of young position players around them on pre-arb and arb deals is a great situation in my eyes. Young guys need to stay healthy and produce. Same with pitchers. This team's future was always going to be dependant on the young guys stepping up. Correa and Buxton (talent-wise) are awfully nice supplements to the new, young core.

Matches up with Buxton length if I'm remembering his contract correctly.

Passan reporting 6/200 for Correa to Twins with vesting option maxing the deal out at 270.

Passan reporting 6/200 for Correa to Twins with vesting option maxing the deal out at 270.

No. He wasn't. Acquitted means he was found not guilty. He was never charged. Those are 2 very different things. You ever speed and not get a speeding ticket? Drive drunk and not get a DUI? You weren't acquitted of those crimes, you just weren't charged with them. Not being charged doesn't mean he didn't do something illegal, it means the prosecutors didn't think they could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. There are murderers walking our streets today that the prosecutors know committed a crime, but don't charge because they don't feel they could convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.

You ever know someone who's not around anymore? COULD they BE good people? You remember Robin Williams? He could be so funny sometimes. Oh wait, did I just use could with be to refer to something Robin Williams had done in the past? Just because you really want your way to be the "correct one" doesn't mean it is. More Francona quotes on Bauer: "It was a distraction." Sounds like Bauer was actively doing something that was distracting the clubhouse (it was throwing the ball into centerfield) "You want to fix it. But I don't think you penalize your team." Wanted to help Bauer be less annoying, but couldn't let him hold back the rest of the team. Doesn't sound like him being worried about Bauer maybe being annoying in the future, does it? “Do you make it better, do you stay the same or do you make it worse? The idea is to always make it better. But there’s also an obligation to the other 24 guys in there, too, and you try to balance that.” Again, wants to help Bauer, but he's hurting the rest of the team. Still doesn't sound like Francona being concerned that maybe, it's possible, Bauer will cause problems. You're basically arguing that Terry Francona openly pushed for Trevor Bauer to be traded because he was just guessing he may become a problem eventually. You know what, I'll even concede that (even though I don't believe it). If Terry Francona doesn't want you on his team I don't want you on mine. Francona pushing to have someone off his team is more than enough evidence to me.

I believe the 50 unpaid games is already taken out of his 2023 salary. It's why he's "only" getting 22+ million from the Dodgers. The team that signs him will have to pay the 720k. Or that's my understanding at least. He was due 32 million, and is only getting 22.5 or whatever from the Dodgers to make up for the games they paid him while he was on the exempt list, and not officially suspended. So with the suspension being reduced to 194 it counts every game he sat out, but he was paid for 50 of those games, and thus he is being docked 50 games worth of pay. So it's only the Dodgers salary that is effected here.

From Merriam-Webster: Terry Francona found Bauer could be a problem in the clubhouse. As in, in the past he figured out that Bauer was a problem in the clubhouse. From Cambridge Dictionary: When Bauer was younger he could disrupt a clubhouse. As in, in the past he disrupted a clubhouse. Want me to keep going? There's more dictionaries out there that will show the exact same thing. Francona was speaking after Bauer had been traded and was referring to what he'd already done. He could no longer disrupt the Cleveland clubhouse because he was no longer in it because they found he COULD disrupt it when he DID disrupt it so they traded him for being a problem in the clubhouse. And with the trainers. And with reporters. And with the coaching staff.