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So your ultimate point is that no teams should ever make any deals to bring in any players that aren't already stars? Do you see a bunch of people jumping and cheering for this move? Anyone claiming it's a difference making move? Anyone even think he's going to throw a pitch for the Twins? These deals happen literally everyday in baseball. Guys bounce around the fringes of 40-man rosters. The Blue Jays traded Chavez Young to the Pirates today for Zach Thompson. The Blue Jays, like the Twins, are trying to make the playoffs in 2023. They traded for a 29 year old starting pitcher with a career 4.44 ERA in 2 seasons. Including a 5.18 ERA in 22 starts in 2022. Chavez Young is a nobody, 25 year old prospect. Have any witty comments about that move? The Padres signed Pedro Castellanos yesterday. Ever heard of him? If it were so easy to get him to be good, why didn't the Red Sox do it when he was with them the last handful of years? The Braces signed Chris Sharpe yesterday. Ever heard of him? If it were so easy to get him to be good, why didn't the Phillies do it when he was with them? You see why I question the point of your post? https://www.mlb.com/transactions/2023/01/10 hit the back button by the date on this page and go see how many of these moves are made literally everyday in major league baseball. Nobody is claiming the Twins just made some crazy move. It's just part of the shuffling of fringe talent that happens all year long as teams hope to be the ones to unlock more potential in a player. I hope you feel better after getting your pointless complaint out there, though.

I don't get the point of this comment? Every team has thought of doing this. Every team does do this. Why even make that comment?

It's early enough that the reports could be wrong, but the amount of detail in the reports certainly lend them to be believable. If the deal is as reported he will truly have no choice but to accept 10 million (when he's 38 years old, by the way, so it's not like he's going to be a great player still) or retire. Their goal was to get as much guaranteed money as possible, and then tack on the best chances they could of adding more money on top of that. From other reports, the Mets dropped down to 157 million guaranteed for 6 years, then options on the next 6 years. They also wanted him to pass a physical every year or be able to void his deal (Jon Heyman I believe was the source on that report). It sounds like 200 million was the most guaranteed that he could get. So he took his 200 million since his ankle isn't likely to look better on scans after next year. It's pretty crazy how far he fell in terms of money. 350 to 200 in less than a month. Yikes.

Or the Twins plan to turn him into a 2 pitch guy and hope he can get control of the fastball and 1 breaker (probably a few changes just to keep lefties honest). He's got so few pitches in the bigs that it's hard to tell if his curve or slider are more effective. He appears to prefer his slider, though. But I'd guess the Twins have a bunch of minor league data on him and they see a pitch in there they can really boost in frequency and help him out.

There have been reports that there's no opt outs included for Correa. The vesting options turn to team options if he doesn't hit the needed PAs the season before. Based on everything out there Correa is with the Twins for 6 seasons no matter what, and he has no control over the 4 after that.

I think the no trade clause is a great sign that Correa wants to be here (I mean he was always going to chase the money, but the idea that he was lying about enjoying his time here seems to be refuted by asking for an ntc). The contract structure is better than anything I could've imagined. It's absolutely perfect for the Twins. I bashed the FO for ignoring other players in hopes of him accepting 10/285. And I stand by that. There's no way they thought he was going to lose 2 contracts of 300+ and fall in their laps again. They lucked into this. But I'm glad they did. I hope there's some moves to be made to better balance the lineup (have to trade a LH OF) and add more controllable pitching if possible. I hope they don't go too crazy, though. I still wouldn't be willing to deal Lewis, Lee, or Rodriguez unless they're getting someone like Alcantara (never happening) or Gallen who are controllable past 2025. Don't destroy the little elite high minors (plus Rodriguez) depth they have to chase 2023 without a plan for the rotation in 2024 and beyond.

First of all, welcome to Twins Daily! Second, that feels like a whole lot to give up for those 2 arms. Royce and Rodriguez are both top 100 global prospects. I'd be pretty upset if the Twins gave up either of them for Lopez (only 2 years of control left), and I don't know that I'd really love giving one up for Cabrera, but he has a lot of control left so that'd make more sense to me.

I had to edit that comment. I was behind on my twitter checking. Dan Hayes is reporting they're vesting options at 575, 550, 525, and 502 PAs. If he doesn't hit those marks they become team options. So Correa has no outs, but Twins can keep him if he only gets to 574 in 2028, etc. Looks absolutely wonderful for Twins. Full no trade for Correa.

Everything I've seen is that they're all vesting options based on him getting 502 PAs the season before. No options or opt outs in the deal. It's certainly early so reports may be wrong, but multiple reports are saying they're straight up vesting options based on PAs the season before. Edited: Dan Hayes is reporting they're vesting options at 575, 550, 525, and 502 PAs. If he doesn't hit those marks they become team options. So Correa has no outs, but Twins can keep him if he only gets to 574 in 2029, etc.

Reports are that it's a frontloaded deal. Love that. Looks like it's 36, 36, 36, 31.5, 30.5, 30 then the vesting options kick in (basically has to be a full time player the season before) at 25, 20, 15, and 10. This doesn't make them instant contenders as the key is still health and production from the young guys. Buxton and Correa signed for less than 50 million a year combined with a whole bunch of young position players around them on pre-arb and arb deals is a great situation in my eyes. Young guys need to stay healthy and produce. Same with pitchers. This team's future was always going to be dependant on the young guys stepping up. Correa and Buxton (talent-wise) are awfully nice supplements to the new, young core.

Matches up with Buxton length if I'm remembering his contract correctly.

Passan reporting 6/200 for Correa to Twins with vesting option maxing the deal out at 270.

Passan reporting 6/200 for Correa to Twins with vesting option maxing the deal out at 270.

No. He wasn't. Acquitted means he was found not guilty. He was never charged. Those are 2 very different things. You ever speed and not get a speeding ticket? Drive drunk and not get a DUI? You weren't acquitted of those crimes, you just weren't charged with them. Not being charged doesn't mean he didn't do something illegal, it means the prosecutors didn't think they could prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. There are murderers walking our streets today that the prosecutors know committed a crime, but don't charge because they don't feel they could convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.

You ever know someone who's not around anymore? COULD they BE good people? You remember Robin Williams? He could be so funny sometimes. Oh wait, did I just use could with be to refer to something Robin Williams had done in the past? Just because you really want your way to be the "correct one" doesn't mean it is. More Francona quotes on Bauer: "It was a distraction." Sounds like Bauer was actively doing something that was distracting the clubhouse (it was throwing the ball into centerfield) "You want to fix it. But I don't think you penalize your team." Wanted to help Bauer be less annoying, but couldn't let him hold back the rest of the team. Doesn't sound like him being worried about Bauer maybe being annoying in the future, does it? “Do you make it better, do you stay the same or do you make it worse? The idea is to always make it better. But there’s also an obligation to the other 24 guys in there, too, and you try to balance that.” Again, wants to help Bauer, but he's hurting the rest of the team. Still doesn't sound like Francona being concerned that maybe, it's possible, Bauer will cause problems. You're basically arguing that Terry Francona openly pushed for Trevor Bauer to be traded because he was just guessing he may become a problem eventually. You know what, I'll even concede that (even though I don't believe it). If Terry Francona doesn't want you on his team I don't want you on mine. Francona pushing to have someone off his team is more than enough evidence to me.

I believe the 50 unpaid games is already taken out of his 2023 salary. It's why he's "only" getting 22+ million from the Dodgers. The team that signs him will have to pay the 720k. Or that's my understanding at least. He was due 32 million, and is only getting 22.5 or whatever from the Dodgers to make up for the games they paid him while he was on the exempt list, and not officially suspended. So with the suspension being reduced to 194 it counts every game he sat out, but he was paid for 50 of those games, and thus he is being docked 50 games worth of pay. So it's only the Dodgers salary that is effected here.

From Merriam-Webster: Terry Francona found Bauer could be a problem in the clubhouse. As in, in the past he figured out that Bauer was a problem in the clubhouse. From Cambridge Dictionary: When Bauer was younger he could disrupt a clubhouse. As in, in the past he disrupted a clubhouse. Want me to keep going? There's more dictionaries out there that will show the exact same thing. Francona was speaking after Bauer had been traded and was referring to what he'd already done. He could no longer disrupt the Cleveland clubhouse because he was no longer in it because they found he COULD disrupt it when he DID disrupt it so they traded him for being a problem in the clubhouse. And with the trainers. And with reporters. And with the coaching staff.

Hey now. Let's be fair. It was Francona that pulled him, not Roberts. Give credit to Bauer for being willing to show up maybe the best manager in baseball for the last 20 years.

Yes, "Is Bauer Worth It?" based on what he brings to the table as a person. And then it goes on to list a whole bunch of reasons why we should have no thought that he's going to change who he is, and how he acts, since he hasn't done it in 15 years in the spotlight. You're misunderstanding the use of the word "could" in that sentence. He wasn't using "could" in the "it's possible" sense, but instead in the "past tense of can" sense. They didn't trade him because they thought it might be possible at some hypothetical future time he might be a problem. They traded him because he already was a problem. "Many Dodgers wanted him back?" How many is many? Clearly not enough that the FO cared since they DFA'd him. If the leaders of the Dodgers clubhouse were clamoring for him to be back you don't think he'd be back? The top of the Dodgers organization flew to Phoenix at the end of last week and met with Bauer to give him a shot to show he deserved a 2nd chance. He clearly didn't impress them since he's no longer a part of their organization. Actually, all the reports coming out of that meeting is that Bauer showed no remorse, didn't apologize for anything, and made no attempt to show he was willing to change in anyway. Or, as you questioned in your first post, he showed no signs that the Dodgers would have any ability to get him to "tone it down." If the Dodgers and their top end franchise couldn't "convince him that it'd be in his own best interest to tone it down" why would we think the Twins could? Edited to add: There's also reports that the Dodgers tried to trade him while eating his contract, but no teams would make that move.

I don't know that it hurt anyone's feelings. And I don't see it's connection to bat flips, or even bashing water coolers. He showed up his manager in the middle of the field. I chuckled when he did it, but it's very different to show up your manager on the pitcher's mound than it is to be upset with yourself for performing poorly and smashing a water cooler after you get pulled. There's a reason he's left behind a legacy of not being liked in every clubhouse he's ever been in. Bauer even seemed to agree since he was actually willing to apologize for that throw. Apologized to his whole team after that one.

I think the point of this article is that Bauer won't tone it down. He's never toned it down. He's never showed any sign of even considering toning it down. If him toning it down needs to happen for you, or any fan, or the FO, or ownership, to be comfortable bringing him in then he's not an option. He's been disliked by a large chunk of his clubhouse going back to his time at UCLA. That's over a decade of not toning it down. He's still on social media acting like a jackass. There's no evidence he's ever provided during his 15 years in the public view that suggests he'd ever even consider toning it down. This is who he is.

Who are you referring to? Cuz it can't be the Twins FO. Neither of their leaders went to ivy league schools. Falvey went to Trinity College (that's in the New England Small College Athletic Conference). And Levine went to Haverford College (that's a lovely DIII school in the Centennial Conference). As of 2020, almost half of the league's top baseball execs were ivy leaguers, though. Maybe the problem is the Twins didn't hire ivy leaguers who follow analytics like they're playing stratomatic in their basement. You know, guys like Theo Epstein (he went to Yale and is widely considered one of the best GMs/Baseball presidents of the last 2 decades where he implemented a ton of analytics in his departments which lead to multiple World Series titles).

That sounds about right!

I haven't bashed them for letting him get away, but have bashed them for not knowing 285 wasn't enough to get him and missing on other guys while waiting for a deal they should know wasn't good enough. Them blindly, yes, blindly, falling into a 2nd Correa deal wouldn't change my mind on that, and I'd absolutely not change my tune on the offseason to this point or apologize. If he ends up here, it's not because the Twins were so smart to know that the Giants and Mets would both pass on deals significantly better than theirs. They simply would've lucked into it and that's not worthy of praise.

I'd also very much like a deal along these lines. I'd be willing to do the 10/285 if he were willing to put in language about the ankle in there that takes the Twins off the hook if it explodes in 4 years, or whatever, but I'd much prefer something along the lines of what you're suggesting.