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Ryan is out temporarily, we hope and expect. Varland is next, and while his last 2 or 3 ML starts were not good, he also had his best 2 or 3 ML starts before the wheels came off and he was sent down for a re-set. But I have ZERO confidence in Keuchel. I never trusted smoke and mirrors against AAA batters, but crossed my fingers after his first OK start that he might fool ML hitters for a few games to eat some IP and help ease the IP burden through August at least. He got destroyed against Philadelphia tonight. I'll bet he gets at least one more start to see. But after Varland, the pickings become very sparse. That's where Dobnak might get a shot to fill in. I'd rather give him a shot at 4-5 innings for a game than other options at this point.

Can help? Or could be expected to help? Because there's a huge difference not only in readiness, but opportunity as well as 40 man issues. NO: Celestino and Martin have lost over half their seasons due to injury. Celestino has 132AB and Martin 114. I haven't given up on either, though I like Martin better. Celestino actually has talent and has been used poorly 1st with a desperate promotion, and then sticking with him too long when he needed AAA time, and didn't exactly have a ton of AA time. Lack of options hurts any Twins potential. Lee just got promoted to AAA last week and just had his 1yr pro anniversary. I like Prato a lot, but still him as another Castro super utility type, with a slighty different skill set. And that's not an insult or saying he can't be better. He started to come in to his own in 2022 and I thought he had a real shot to begin this year at AAA. Which made his poor start this season at Wichita so surprising. He's not on the 40 man, though room could be found. But if Lewis comes back OK, and Solano is OK, I just don't know I see room this year, unless it's LF and maybe 1B. I think they are tied more to the veteran Luplow for now, for better or worse. Check back next year. And I say no to Henriquez. Very young, some great stuff, and I like his future. But he hasn't had a good season, partially due to some injury, and is behind Winder, Sands, Balazovic, and Ortega. Again, check back next year. YES: Funderburk has made the transition to the pen and has performed at the highest milb level. I can see him getting a shot and helping. I object to the statement in the OP that Varland pitched poorly. I don't have his game by game info in front of me, but he was pretty solid when he came up, had perhaps his best couple of turns as a ML before the wheels seemed to come off. He didn't look so good when sent down, but he's been better of late and the potential is still there. A mediocre Larnach is already better than Gallo. But he doesn’t play 1B, and that's a huge miss by the FO. They are playing Garlick at 1B but not even trying Larnach there? Huge missed opportunity there to see. But yes, good chance we see him again. MAYBE: I appreciate the fact that Gallo plays a good 1B. But he's also amongst the very worst hitters in all of MLB for months now. Williams as a RH batter would almost have to try to be worse. He should be up yesterday to play 1B and get an audition. He might even help with some of the LHP ineptitude this team faces. 1 for 1 40 man swap right there. Like others, I've been so impressed with what Stevenson has done at St Paul this year. And at 29yo, I have no illusions he's some older, breakout player. (Though he hasn't been totally inept in his brief ML career). It's just hard not to wonder what he might do as a running mate with Taylor in CF. How much of his offense could he bring from St Paul to the Twins? He might actually surprise a little and help spark some. But besides the 40 man issue, who does he replace on the 13 man roster? He doesn't play 1B..which might be the biggest issue right now...so does he replace Polanco, who's looked nothing like his previous self at all? But if Lewis comes back soon, that creates a whole different issue. Just not sure I see a place for Stevenson at this time, which sees a shame to a small degree. Don't laugh, but look out for Dobnak. Personally, I've had little faith in Keuchel. I appreciate his effort. I appreciate the Twins taking a look at him as a late season rotation filler who might offer up a few good IP to help rest the rotation some. And even after 1 solid turn, and a horrible one against the Phillies tonight, I could see him getting another shot. Hopefully, Ryan is back soon. And Varland is the talented youngster waiting for his next shot. But if anyone else goes down, or there is any need for a fill in type, the Dobber is next. It's been a long road back for him, but he has experience, and has looked at least decent his past few turns. He's probably up next after Varland.

Is "save" a bit hyperbolic? Hmmm....maybe. But where would the Twins be without Taylor in CF with Buxton out, Gordon out, Martin out, and Celestino out? Stevenson maybe? So having, potentially, next to nothing vs an experienced veteran, Gold Glove winner with some power and speed, definitely a tip of the cap to Taylor as smart add a life preserver, if not an actual raft/boat. And Castro rising to his best season as a ML and providing solid defense wherever put, and an element of speed we have seldom seen the past few years...with the exception of Buxton when reasonably healthy...he may be slightly below ML average in OPS, but that's why he was never intended to be a true starter to begin with, even though he's been practically forced to do so. Again, maybe not a full raft/boat but definitely a life preserver. Really scary to realize that the role players and the young players are the ones that have mostly carried this team. (Due respect to the best Kepler has played in about 3yrs the past couple of months). How much better might this team be if Wallner had been up earlier? If some of the other younger players might have had a shot before now? If the veterans hadn't decided to all have horrible seasons all at the same time? And how much worse might this team have been without the young players and bench players coming through?

While I've been on the "play Wallner" for some time now, in full confession, I haven't watched as many AB of his as I'd like. But he does seem to have a pretty good eye for the zone and isn't some free swinger. He works the count. Guys who do that will have a number of K's as they aren't just free swingers putting in "bad" contact. They are looking for a BB or something to drive. So I like his general approach and I. And the power is legit! But one thing I love about his power is that it seems to come so easy to him he doesn't have to have a "sell out" approach when he swings. I don't see consistent, huge upercuts. I see a really smooth, powerful swing that is often very level. And that gives me a lot of hope he's not going to be a career .200-ish hitter like Gallo.

So why exactly must he be playing 1B for the Twins? I mean, I think he's quite good there defensively, but he has to be on the team and play 1B because he's a veteran and he bats from the left side? But he's one of the worst "hitters" in all of MLB except for the rare time he gets his bat barreled up on a ball. So why not just about ANYONE else to play 1B that might provide some offense? Who cares if it's another RH bat? Move Polanco or Julien there. (Julien's played it before and should have continued working there). What about Williams at St Paul? It's beyond time.

I'm sure it was rather off the cuff and hyperbolic, but the comment was in regard to 2019 and 2020 when the Bomba Squad was in play. Again, off the cuff and hyperbolic. But also doesn't take a genius to look at changes since then to see some truth there, as well as watching changes in bunting, squeezes, and SB recently.

Isn't this basically the 3rd version of this conversion just this week? Oh well. I don't like standing pat this past deadline. I felt there was STILL a chance to add a single pen arm at least to help out that wouldn't have cost much.. I wouldn't have minded a RH bat...usually plenty available...but it did seem there were few moved, and I'm not sure who might have made a significant difference. I've never been afraid to call out the FO if I disagree with a move, or a lack of one. But what they've done to rebuild the entire system in 6 1/2yrs has been impressive to me. 3 playoff appearances and a pair of exciting back to back division wins has been impressive to me. While the FO doesn't run the draft, they are in charge of the scouting department that has produced some great drafts. And despite a very disappointing 2022, I just can't demand their dismissal or any lack of trust because of it. They had a team that was in 1st place all but a handful of games all the way in to early August. They were unusually aggressive at the deadline to make additions. And while we can look back at those trades and how bad they turned out, they sure seemed smart, exciting, and geared to help move the team to a 3rd ALC banner. Injuries just decimated the team to a degree that nobody could recover from. And I'm just going to debate for the umpteenth time, with revisionist thinking, about the merit of those moves. And I'm not completely upset with the current "power plays" offensive format. Why? Because power plays, always has, and always will. Recent drafts, and Martin acquired via trade, shows that in the system they have been looking more and more at speed and "hitting" ability, while still looking to keep adding power as well. But you can't just flip a switch overnight for those changes to take place. Where the FO is STARTING to lose at least some of my faith is their approach to THIS season. And I will state yet again that I felt they got the offseason 90% right, and then STOPPED. And that's where I have issue. I loved adding all 3 of Vazquez, Farmer, and Taylor. And while none of the 3 have done as well as hoped, and have been pressed in to more time than wanted here and there, they have been quality additions. Castro has turned out far better than hoped for, and I liked his addition as well. And Solano was a surprise that has also paid back his late addition in surprising fashion. But while I had high hopes for both Alcala and Moran...and I still have a lot of faith in the potential of Moran...I simply didn't understand just trusting in them to be counted on vs making additions to the pen. I advocated many times for 1 RH BP option for experience and depth. It didn't have to be Fulmer, but he seemed obvious. I haven't looked him up recently, but after a rough start to the year, he's been good for the Cubs. I believe his deal was only around $4-5M. Even with a record payroll, that extra few $M should have been affordable. Why not keep both veterans Coulombe...very good when healthy for the club...and Hoffman...doing a good job with the Phillies this year...who were having very good springs? They cost very little monetarily, and would be inexpensive DFA cuts if they washed out. I have ZERO problems saving $ by building a smart and deep pen with prospects, failed starters, and reclamation and bounceback candidates. But then why cut those types of players when you have them right in your hands??? Imagine a pen that had Coulombe, Hoffman, Fulmer on hand, PLUS, the bounceback of Stewart and DeLeon? You'd still have Moran available and...at the time...a hopeful Alcala. Just a BLOWN opportunity for a better, deeper pen with little $ investment if things didn't turn out right. Again, I liked the trade for Taylor, and I still do. And I HATED the signing of Gallo. I still wouldn't have done it. I do GET why they did it...questions about the health of AK and Larnach...a possible rebound in his career that might pay dividends, but as a mid market team you have to trust in your available talent all the more. If you really believe in Kepler and want to keep him...that might yet turn out to be way smarter than I ever believed...then don't sign Gallo at all! To be 100% fair, Gallo was signed before the Correa saga played out. And they were obviously looking for/hoping for a rebound version that would help the offense with power and OB%. But while I applauded the Taylor trade, there was still a need for a legitimate RH OF bat for this team. And it's been ongoing for a few years now. Signing Gallo took that away. At some point you have to trust in your talent on hand and run with them! Larnach, Kirilloff, Wallner, and Gordon SHOULD have been trusted if you were keeping Kepler, and a RH bat should have been added. And if you guessed wrong...and it happens...then you adjust later. But Gallo was a mistake...one I tried to accept and understand...and is a mistake even now. If they had trusted more in what they had available in the pen already, had added a RH OF bat, the trade deadline might have been obviously null, or might have been a SINGLE need and opportunity to add a single missing piece. Imagine the RH bat they added didn't turn out, for example. I miss Arraez as a fan tremendously. But I'd make the trade of him for Lopez every day of the week. No insult to a favorite of mine and most everyone's, but Julien is basically a younger, potentially even better, replacement and we have a high quality SP under control, very good, with room to be even better. The Twins are trusting in their young talent more and more in regard to Julien, Lewis, Kirilloff, even the surprising Castro, and FINALLY in Wallner. Personally, I still believe they are just wrong not letting Larnach come up right now to replace Gallo out of some stubborn sense lightning will suddenly strike. OR, the hell with it, let Larnach sit for a while longer if you want to, but bring up Williams to play 1B. So what if he's a RH bat, and so is Solano. At least Solano can be OK at 2B/3B. Could Williams possibly be worse than a 43% K bat who only hits .160 with a sub .300 OB%? Being patient can be a good thing. Being patient has allowed our FO to make some really good moves here and there. Or not make some moves. But where they have failed at times, despite being very aggressive at times, is being TOO patient, OR, stubborn. And they have failed at times to not identifying with what they have. Or holding on too long for what they don't have. And that frustrates the hell out of me! I know it's about the FO, but the manager is part of that. I don't think Rocco is a great manager. I think he's pretty good though. And at the end of the day, he can only deal with he's given. By his own admission, his first couple of seasons was sitting back and letting the Bomba Squad do their thing. NOW, he's been actually managing. The whole "nobody gets to pitch beyond 5 innings" is SO TIRED. It's always been based on the arms available. I don't like some of the early exits, or the late exits he's employed. I don't like him playing to the ego of SP at times this season and asking a RP to come in mid inning, but I also love the trust he's placed in his SP. But I have to admit I do love him letting his SP just telling him "I got this" and letting him go. I also love how many SB and bunts and suicide squeezes and the such have happened this year. Rocco has stated this is the first year he's had a real opportunity to manage the game and do the little things. And Rocco is the FO manager, signed to an extension. So do I trust the FO? My answer is YES. A virtual decade of disappointment baseball without ultimate results but obvious improvements and some good seasons doesn't make me ask for a change in the FO, or the manager, at this point. But do I feel they have been SLOW to make some obvious changes needed for THIS season, and did they stop short of what they COULD have done for this season? YES. And that gives me pause. IMO, how the Twins finish this year, and what the FO does this offseason, will define what I think of them. There's an awful lot to like with a few tweaks and a couple of additions to make it all work. The trust is still there. But just be smarter over the next 2 months, and the offseason. Blow that, and I'm on board for change

If someone wants to make an argument that he wasn't worth the extension after his concussion issues...not his fault...I can understand the opinion. I'd disagree with it as he was still a good player, and meant a lot to the team, the fans, perception, etc. So my opinion is he was worth it. But even still, the value he provided to the Twins before the concussion issues changed his career was gold for pennies on the dollar. His 10yr career as a catcher, and the awards, was outstanding and something we might not ever see again. He's an absolute HOF player to me.

I had actually forgotten about Hoffman. Just looked him up and he's having a very good season with the Phillies. What I don't understand about the FO is doubling down on veteran, corner LH bats to the degree that young players like Larnach and Wallner have been forced to spend most of the year in AAA, Gordon had limited opportunity as a reserve before getting hurt. But they refused to do the same thing in the pen. I had high hopes for Alcala to be back and be a, potentially, important part of the pen. I may be wrong, but I think he has an option left. If so, why bank on him coming back all the way right off the bat? Why not Sands starting in AAA and bring him up later if needed? Now, Pagan is a lightening rod of debate, but so far, keeping him has looked like an OK decision. (We'll see how the rest of the year plays out). But the Gallo signing at $11M or not, re-signing Fulmer wouldn't have broken the bank. I have a lot of faith in the potential of Moran and he's definitely flashed at times this year. But why not keep Coulombe who has had some injury issues, but performed well for the Twins when healthy, and was having a good ST. Why not keep 3 LH in the pen? You sign veteran fliers like Hoffman and Stewart in hopes of uncovering some gold. And they got that! (Even DeLeon looked promising before blowing out his arm). They should have re-signed Fulmer, and kept Coulombe and Hoffman to begin the year. What's the worst thing that could happen? You spend a few $M on Fulmer and you could always drop the vets if they stunk and bring up one of the AAA arms. Someone gets hurt? Bring up someone from AAA. The pen has largely been solid most of the year, sitting about middle of the pack depending on what ranking, what numbers you look at. But how great would it have looked with Fulmer, Coulombe and Hoffman and STILL get the contributions that they have from Stewart and even DeLeon. I'd take that kind of depth in a heartbeat! And all they had to do was expand the payroll a few more $M on Fulmer and keep a pair of veteran arms you already had at low salaries. Huge missed opportunity.

Sands should have opened in St Paul and Coulombe should have been a 3rd LH in the pen. Further, Fulmer should have been re-signed with Alcala probably also with the Saints instead of being depended on coming off injury. Think how different the pen...which hasn't been bad...looks with Coulombe and Fulmer kept?

Opinions I don't agree with, some I sort of, and some I very much agree with. No way, coming in this late in the day to directly comment on any of them, so I'm just going to state my opinions/thoughts, though I'm probably going to repeat some other comments previously made. YES, the FO is secure. Ownership, IMO, likes the successes this FO has made on the field, and the almost complete rebuild of the organization. I think they trust what they've seen so far and are willing to continue the status quo for now. I DO think there are going to be changes made in certain philosophies and approaches...changes that NEED to be made...and I think part of that is going to be changes on the coaching staff. I don't think that's going to include Baldelli at this time. My goodness, he was even extended. But still, never say never. But the staff is a different topic for a different day. To be very clear, I've largely liked most everything that has been done by this FO since they took over late in 2017. But I haven't liked everything they've done, or failed to do, and I like to think I've been pretty clear and consistent in my thoughts and opinions. WHAT DO I LIKE? I like the revamp from the analytical approach that was practically non-existant to changes throughout the milb system. While Johnson is in charge of the draft, it's still THEIR watch that has lead to some really good drafts. They've whiffed on some trades, and won some. But even the trades they've made that didn't turn out...and those that did...having the prospect/player ammunition to do so...has been possible under their watch. They've been very smart with a few fliers that have paid dividends. They've been far more aggressive, and inventive, in the FA market than we've ever seen in the history of the franchise. They seem to have an eye for non-player talent in the office and coaching. Such a good eye, they've been pilfered more than a few times by other organizations. The team basically collapsed in 2011 due to injury and regression and only had 1 winning season...2015...from then until 2017. They've reached the playoffs THREE YEARS out six so far. And while we can complain/debat about the ALC, that success trumps the previous 6yrs BIG TIME. And they lead most of the entire 2022 season before injuries destroyed that year. But they did massive moves never seen before to augment their "shot". And we could be looking at a 4th playoff season this year. Don't we want winning seasons and a "shot" by reaching the playoffs? Isn't that what every team shoots for every single season? WHAT I DON'T LIKE? They fall in love with veterans at times as if they are somehow afraid that a struggling vet will suddenly turn it around elsewhere, OR, are so ridiculously and needlessly afraid of losing "depth". Well, losing someone who can't perform doesn't mean you let GOOD depth go! While they've been pretty aggressive with milb promotions throughout the system, they often seem timid in promoting and trusting in prospects. (See my first point). When you are a mid-market team, your system is your bloodline for any sort of success. I never would have taken the chance on Gallo. You could have spent the $ elsewhere. BUT, if you were going to do so, Kepler should have been moved to use his $ elsewhere and trust in Wallner, Larnach, Kirilloff, Gordon, and whatver RH OF you brought in. Bad allocation of $ and available talent. It's great to be patient in your approach to FA and trades. Many teams have jumped the gun early and been burned. And the FO has had some great gets by being patient. But a smart, successful FO, IMO, should be bold enough to identify that 1 or 2 spots/guys they really like and need and make a move...THEN sit back and be patient looking for value. And whether they like Rocco and believe in him or not...and they seem to...real pressure should have been applied about simple things regarding basic fundamentals. Now, some of those fundamentals have improved this year in regard to baserunning, stolen bases, some bunts and squeeze plays and the such. Some of that is a credit to Rocco and his staff, though they also haven't addressed some very obvious holes in performance. Again, a different discussion for a different day. The scales over 6 1/2 seasons tell me I still like this FO and what they've done, even if I don't agree with everything they've done, or not done. I feel like the crazy, weird, playoff loss streak clouds a lot of perspective of winning seasons vs ineptitude for many years before. It's as if the great fun of 2019 and 2020 just never happened after the disappointments of 2021-22. I enjoyed every moment of those years, and just about all of 2022 until early August. I've read comments about the Twins being boring to watch the last couple of seasons. I get it. Not so sure I don't feel the same way. But they sure weren't boring in 2019-20 with the Bomba squad. And if you pay attention to recent drafts and the milb system, you would see the Twins still drafting power...because you need it and want it...but you would also see more prospects with speed and contact ability drafted and signed. Part of the reason Martin was a key in the Berrios trade. But that shift to approach doesn't happen overnight. Part of the reason for the weird and wrong Gallo signing. "Keep pounding for NOW" and things will start to change. Witness Castro and Taylor on the basepaths, Buxton here and there. Where I AM concerned about the FO, and their future is NOT about ANYTHING previous to this year. It's about this previous offseason and the trading deadline. I'm willing to admit the patience the FO had in Kepler might have been warranted, even if I'm not a full believer at this point. But if they truly believed in him that much, then why spend $11M on Gallo? Again, as a mid-market team, they should trusted in what they had available. The $11M spent on Gallo could have been spent on Fulmer and a solid RH bat, maybe with a slight $ bump. But if they were smart enough to sign Fulmer and the RIGHT RH bat...always conjecture I admit...the trading deadline might have been something as simple as ONE BP arm to add. Instead, we have excuses and reports they were looking here and there and talking to different teams and it didn't turn out because so many teams decided to stand pat or buy instead. Well, first of all, if you went 100% in the offseason instead of 90% you might have had very little to add. Secondly, if you're as smart as you're supposed to be, you should have been looking at ALL possibilities instead of the few you were keyed on. When you have a chance to WIN, you just DON'T leave your team hanging when the prospect capital shouldn't be expensive to add an arm, or a semi-decent bat who might help. And again, this is where I'm starting to lose some faith in the FO. Maybe the RH bat they signed stunk. But at least they tried. And they should have gone 100% this offseason instead of 90%. NOT doing that, NOT trusting Larnach and/or Wallner instead of admitting a mistake in Gallo makes me lose confidence in the FO. I really like most of the FO trades they have made. I can excuse a bad trade or two. Crap happens. Mahle's tired shoulder was not related to his elbow. He looked good before his elbow blowing out this year. So that is on the FO? Lopez was a healthy, talented arm. There was NO WAY to predict Mahle needing TJ surgery. There was no way to predict that Lopez, IMO, was just going to lose everything because of "life stuff". Or should they have known he was going through something that just messed him up? If so, then they really messed up thinking they could FIX,things. As a fan, and projecting ownership, this FO is not going anywhere. They get another year to prove they can fill holes, make some changes in offense approach, make a couple smart coaching changes, and see what the roster for 2024 looks like.

Silver lining? While I don't like Luplow signing...at all...Buxton gets some R&R time to hopefully help finish the season strong and get his "batting head" together? And now DH is open, at least temporarily, for a little more flexibility. Wish it was someone else benefiting from the Buck IL stint. Like Williams, Larnach, Prato, maybe even Stevenson as possibilities?

My initial thought was, "just 5??" Agree with chpettit19 that Buxton and Correa are huge keys. Can Kepler actually continue to perform solidly that last couple of months? Please, let us have Lewis and Kirilloff back soon, and healthy for the rest of the year. I still like Moran and do believe he's been a little "unlucky" when you look at his numbers. But better luck only gets you so far. Finally...I absolutely, positively would NOT have Gallo on this list. Why? Because he shouldn't be on the roster. Nothing against him personally, but being a veteran and a LH bat means nothing when you can't hit....I mean at ALL...K like you are trying to set a personal record, and produce nothing except an occasional dinger every few weeks. 2022 and all but 1 month of 2023 have shown us what they've shown us. Time for someone, almost anyone, to be brought up that is deserving an opportunity. Williams at 1B and giving us a powerful RH option?

Garlick is no worse, probably better, and already in the organization at St Paul where he's been much better the last month or so. And Williams is sitting there at 1B as well. And I don't buy in to any "but Gallo is a LH for 1B" nonsense that might be spun. He's a good 1B. But he's hitting something like .160 since May and K-ing around 40% I believe. Maybe I'm nuts, but I don't think it would be hard for Williams, or anyone, to do better than that.

Bye bye Gallo and hello to Williams coming up and getting a shot at 1B. Solano can still play there as well, along with occasionally 2B and 3B as he has done throughout the year. What's that? But Gallo provides a LH bat at 1B that Williams and Salono don't have? No problem. How much worse than a .160 BA and 40% K rate could they possibly be playing daily as RH bats?

Great news! Now, let's see a few more deserving/interesting promotions. Lee has absolutely fast tracked and not only looks like the real deal, but might be adding additional power. I'm excited to see him with the Twins, but I'm not going to predict he begins 2024 with them. I'm confident it will all play out in a very successful way. It is a little confusing to see where everyone fits. In a ideal situation, Lee and Lewis would man 3B/2B in some combination, and be backups to Correa at SS with Kirilloff at 1B. Julien could play 1B/2B/DH. Then toss in Miranda at 3B/1B/DH, or, another utility player, and you have a tremendous INF! But with CF a question mark, and Buxton also being one, and obviously part of the CF situation, DH becomes affected. Thus, I can also see a scenario where Julien sticks at 2B and Lewis moves to the OF on a regular basis, still able to play anywhere in the INF. It's never fun to have worries about a player or position, CF/DH/Buxton in this case. But it is a fun problem to have a lot of really good young ballplayers to have to "fit in" the best combination because there are so many solid variations to do so. And Lee is definitely part of that. And while he could play 2B quite well I'm sure, and be solid at SS, and should still be able to cover it in relief of Correa, something about him just speaks of 3B to me. Can't wait to see him!

One of the most painful injury losses in the system, over several others, the past couple of years, pun partially intended. I really hope he can come back 100%. There's no guarantee, of course, but I'm hopeful and we've seen it before. I've struggled with the idea that even at 26yo he should remain a starter. He would be arriving at the ML level far later than normal, but he might still have a potential 7-8yr career as a solid rotation option. But while I can see him in the rotation in the minors to work on stuff and build up innings, I think his future is probably in the pen. And if he does come back 100%, he could be outstanding in that role. Agree with gman that I hope he reaches AAA by mid 2024. I figure a few weeks at A ball to begin with, and then a promotion to AA. A half season at St Paul and a late season call up? Ready to go for 2025! Hoping for the best for him. Thanks for the interview!

I appreciate the OP. You did a fine job going over every scenario of buying or sell and made compelling arguments at every point. Well done! And I 100% agree selling would have been a mistake unless someone made you a really good offer that would be hard to pass up. I did have a real sense Larnach and a B level prospect might be moved for a RH bat for a team looking to do the same as the Twins, balance out a lineup. And there might have even been an arm coming back the Twins way, probably a rental. Of course, it didn't happen. But for any chance to actually win the division...not just limp to the finish line...and have any sort of real chance to win an actual playoff game, much less a possible series, they need to keep the bullets they have now. Where I have to disagree, at least somewhat, and where I definitely have issues with the FO, is the idea there was A] Nobody to acquire, and B] That the cost of any acquisition would put any further drain on the system. Underperforming or not, as a FO, your team actually has a very good chance to win the division, hang a banner, and hopefully/possibly win a playoff game or two. That's worth adding to actually help your team! And the goal each and every season is to reach the playoffs. From there it's a new season of possibility. Falvey or Levine...I forget which at the moment...stated that so many of their targets, and conversations they had with teams, fell apart at the end because they decided to not sell. Huh? As a FO, you are admitting to me that you were SO FOCUSED on such a limited scale that you couldn't pivot or consider other players on other teams? Isn't that your job? I keep thinking about the Dyson and Romo trades a few years ago. Forget that Dyson turned out to be unknown damaged goods. They were a pair of smart acquisitions that cost virtually nothing but a handful of fliers. And that was what this team needed for the pen, just a couple solid arms, and nothing extravagant. Were there fewer teams trading this year? Yes. Did some teams pull back? Yes. But there were STILL decent, solid arms moved that weren't expensive. And we couldn't land ONE? I admit the market for a platoon type RH bat to at least HELP against LHP seemed smaller than expected. But a complete whiff? Even old friend Crone at 1B would have been serviceable help. But my biggest issue is ZERO for the pen other than the solid Floro. I can actually see potential future help from Sands, Winder, Balazovic, Headrick, and a few others. Maybe even a return of Alcala next year. But I don't want to bank on those guys for this year. So yes, even a 4.00 ERA guy that is similar to Floro...but with decent peripherals as ERA never tells a true story...would have been welcome, was needed, wouldn't have cost a lot. And if said arm "fit" the team, they could be a re-sign in the offseason, the way Fulmer SHOULD have been. I also agree that the younger players need to play. The FO has come to this conclusion as well, though it appears somewhat grudgingly at times. Julien and Lewis and Kirilloff aren't going anywhere. Jeffers has earned more time. And they FINALLY seem to have figured out Wallner deserves to stay up. I am curious about the $60M freed up this offseason to make changes and additions. Are you including Kepler in that group? Unless he collapses the rest of the way, I'm not convinced he's gone and that they will pick up his $10M option. And if Maeda finishes the season as good as he's been since he's built himself back up again, I'm not so sure the Twins might not want him back again for around $14-15M. That hedges bets on Paddack, gives them 6 starters along with Varland, and offers great potential depth for the rotation similar to how this season began, with no need for a major trade or a $20M FA...much less some Bundy-type filler piece. Just saying that $60M might end up closer to $35, but that might be more than enough to add a very nice RH bat, and a couple solid BP arms on 1 or 2yr deals to really beef up the pen. But that's for 2024. I want to see the vets rebound these final couple of months and I want the young talent to play and get the opportunity to develop and prove themselves. You can do that, get ready for next year, and still have them helping this team CLAIM the ALC and try to make a little post season noise. My biggest issue is if the FO had just brought back Fulmer for the pen, and added a solid RH bat in the last offseason...$ only and no talent dealt...this trading deadline might have been very different. It might have been a single BP arm to maintain depth. Or I might have been for a bigger arm. Maybe a RH OF with control for now and 2024 and beyond. Maybe a combination of both. But because they went 90% in and not 100% in the last offseason, they were stuck this deadline making excuses how they couldn't add.

Before I get too deep here, I want to make 2 things very clear: 1] There's a lot of things about this team I'm not happy about, and most of it revolves around more injuries, failed results by more than a handful of veterans, and some stubbornness by the FO. 2] I'm not happy about ZERO activity, which I will get to, but I am by no means knee jerk reacting to some "fire everyone" mantra that suddenly seems prevalent. First of all, that dismisses any and all good things that HAVE happened to the Twins the past several years, as well as improvements throughout the milb system. If any jobs are on the line...and I believe there are right now...it starts with coaches, then the manager, and then the FO. That's how these things work. And while I am generally "pro" the FO for many, many reasons, I'm also very happy to speak out against them as well, which again, I will get to. All that being said, I'm only mildly surprised they didn't make any moves today. And here's why...from my projection of the FO beliefs: A] Despite all the maddening inconsistencies of this silly team, there's still a lot of good ballplayers here. There's every reason they can still win the ALC, get a home played 3 game series, and maybe just win 2 of 3. B] A single, OK, solid, RH bat isn't going to change the ineptitude against LH pitching this year. No Miranda, an extremely disappointing and frustrating Buxton, and an OK Correa are seeing to that. Doesn't mean they shouldn't add one for 2024, but very doubtful one OK bat was going to make a difference now. C] Thielbar back helps the pen. A couple young arms are showing at least a little more flash and potential. Stewart maybe being gone is a blow. Floro is better than than the useless Lopez right now. And one of the starters will move to the pen come playoff time. D] They have FINALLY trusted in Julien, and Kirilloff...who will hopefully be back soon...as well as having Lewis back in August. They also are FINALLY realizing it's been a mistake to not run with Wallner and give him a real shot. You can also add the still young and improved Jeffers to this group. All very real and logical reasons to stick with what they have, trust in the vets to perform better, keep trusting in the kids doing better, keep all the young talent you can...along with not dumping Gray or Maeda...and take a shot at winning the ALC and maybe a playoff game or two. Not a completely unrealistic opinion for a team that probably won't make a serious run this year. And to be perfectly honest, I've been completely surprised, almost blown away, at how many teams decided NOT to sell. Teams that have 30% or less of a chance to reach the playoffs decided to buy and go for it. As a fan, I can understand the Twins FO staying pat. But I still disagree with it. Ashbury quoted Falvey from November of 2016 when he took over. But we all have to remember is the key quote there: "to build a sustainable, championship caliber team". Folks, you have ZERO shot at a championship...or anything close to it...UNLESS YOU MAKE THE PLAYOFFS. The Twins made the playoffs THREE of the previous 6yrs, and only massive injuries denied them a 4th opportunity in 2022 where they were in 1st place almost the entire season before things collapsed. What they did most of 2022 is why they were so aggressive at the deadline to push this team over the top. So we can't so BOO to going for it 1yr, and then say BOO for holding back the next. But here is where I disagree with the FO on TWO points: 1] Just getting to the playoffs means you have a chance. Witness the Royals a few years back, the Braves a couple years ago, the Phillies last year, and even our beloved '87 Twins WS team decades ago. Just making the playoffs is goal #1! And this team can still do so. But despite a number of teams not selling, which undoubtedly shrunk the pool, there were still enough guys at hand to at least add an inexpensive rental arm to freshen up the pen, wasn't there? Just 1, maybe a 2nd, rental arms for A and fringe AA prospects should have at least allowed better depth to keep the pitching going SHOULD have been available, even if there wasn't a RH bat you liked enough to acquire. 2] The nice thing about rentals is if they "fit" you can always re-sign them. The FO SHOULDN'T have sold low on veterans or prospects with a STILL realistic chance to have a winning season, and a potential ALC banner, and very possibly a PLAYOFF WIN. Dare to say at least a SHOT for a 1st round playoff series win! How much fun would that be after 18yrs of frustration? But what they SHOULD have done is buy a couple rental arms on the cheap and not settled for Floro and Thielbar "hopefully" back. So while I can "get" no moves at the deadline, I can sorta understand it, even if I don't agree with it. It either fills our team with some confidence and a challenge to get better and "do it"! OR, it states they don't believe in the 2023 team they constructed. Taking this further...and we'll have the entire offseason to discuss these issues...the FO constructed 90% of a very good team for 2023, and then stopped. And I've stated this many times. If you pay attention to the draft and milb system, you will see that they have continued to look for power bats, but have also been looking at HIT ability and speed. But change doesn't happen overnight at the ML level. IMO, they shouldn't have signed Gallo, even though I understood the rebound flier. But even once they did, they should have moved Kepler, on a downturn, for whatever they could get for him. EITHER WAY, they handcuffed themselves financially instead of "risking" a real look at Gordon, Larnach, Kirilloff, and Wallner. And they have paid the price. I'm not even going to go down the Pagan rabbit hole yet again! (Though it's tempting). Trusting in your young talent, even with some risk, is what you do as a mid market team with talent on hand. ONE of Gallo or Kepler gone was enough to sign a solid RH bat that we needed at the deadline. NOT including Taylor as a bad trade because hes actually been important in a lot of ways. And just a small stretch of payroll to re-sign Fulmer...who was recently considered a smart trade option until the Cubs pulled back...would have been a welcome addition to the Twins pen. But we could have just kept him as insurance for a good pen vs hoping Alcala was going to be back. So if the FO had signed a solid, dependable RH bat...instead of Gallo, or moved Kepler, and trusted in their prosoects....and had kept Fulmer...not an expensive signing...and maybe even kept Coulombe instead of some fringe reliever...the ENTIRE trade scenario we just saw might either be a better "moot" point...OR....a move for a difference maker. My biggest problem remains an offseason that wax very good, but only went 90%.

Trade Gallo, if you can, for a lower level prospect. But unless there is a GM out there that is just desperate for a veteran LH bat who thinks Gallo can get hot for a couple of months...he's a DFA. And he should have been a month ago to allow Wallner or Larnach to get AB. Sorry, not entirely proven yet, but NO WAY I'd trade Wallner unless blown away by the return! Circling back to Nick's OP, Larnach and Kepler should be on the block. I love that Kepler has been hot since the break, and love his defense. But I don't trust that he is suddenly "new and improved". And I just can't trust a massive 2+ year downturn in production. And maybe I'm wrong. But I'd rather give Larnach the shot and move Kepler. But I'm kinda 50/50 here. Kepler actuality maybe, turning a corner and back for $10M next year vs keeping Larnach and seeing what we might have? I remain on the trading Kepler bandwagon. Sorry, but we want to trade a couple top prospects for a rental of Hader? Including Raya? Sorry, but I'm OUT. He's a rental looking for a big payday. The pen is not bad at all with what we have, and a return of Stewart and Thielbar and our recent addition of Floro makes this pen pretty damn good. But I'm 100% on trading some lower level talent to add at least one, if not two arms. Just a couple of years ago we added Romo for next to nothing. And he was a difference maker. Why not go this way again and add rentals who might even be re-sign options? The rotation has been the strength of the team all year. Forget the playoffs, we still have 2 months of the season to actually capture the ALC banner. But we want to maybe trade away the largest strength of the team for what reason? Because we might not need 5 SP in the playoffs? Well gee, wouldn't it be great to have so many arms available we'd have to move someone to the pen for the playoffs? I get Gray isn't a STUD #1 who goes 7+. But he's still damn good for 5 usually. And for those who haven't paid attention, after additional rest and recovery, Maeda at 35yo, coming off TJ, is looking every bit like the solid SP he has been, and much like his 2020 Cy Young runner up year. What is the obsession with Keuchel? He's somehow a staff savior with a good ERA, but mediocre numbers against AAA batters? I love the idea that he might embrace a role in the pen at this point in his career. But promote him and trade away one of our current starting 5? PLEASE! I'd rather trust Varland...young and potential filled with solid early results...than Keuchel. Further, I want the QO offer draft pick if and when Gray says no. And I'm still not opposed to a re-sign, if it makes sense. But I just don't see it happening. But even at 35yo, coming off TJ, and needing some more time to "get right" this season, tell me right now you wouldn't re-sign Maeda for $14M next year? I would in a heartbeat. Unless he implodes suddenly, I'd trust his experience and amazing "pitching" IQ as much as I'd trust an extension of Gray. But nope, we should trade a SP from the best and deepest rotation we've had in years. No way.

On the surface, he's a cheap rental that should actually cost less than Farmer, IMO. And he is the type of rental that would fit. But not only do I think the Angels don't want to move him at this time, but I actually think the Twins have Farmer in their plans for 2024. Very soon, the Twins will have both Lewis and Lee as viable backup SS options. And yes, Castro can even be an emergency option there, as can Polanco. But that day isn't here yet. Farmer remains a solid, if not great hitter. And he's pretty solid defensively at 3 spots. And he's a good clubhouse guy as well. That's why I think he's in the 2024 plans. And Solano having a couple bad weeks doesn't nearly cover all the positives he's brought to the lineup this season. And while he's not exactly great in the field anywhere you put him, he can adequately play 3 spots. I don't think he has a long term future with the Twins by any means, but I don't think he's going anywhere this year barring a sudden roster crunch where he just HAS to be the guy out. I'm not sure the trade market is going to be all that deep this year. Only a few teams are selling at this point. But things could...and probably will...pivot over the next few days. I don't dislike Renfro as a player. Again, he actually fits for what this team is lacking. But I'm just not crazy about trading Farmer instead of a lower level prospect for his 2 months. HUNCH: The Twins will gladly give up a lower level prospect or two for a solid RH OF rental. And if he "fits" he might be a re-sign. But I just have a hunch they are looking...if able...to make a move of Kepler/Larnach/Wallner and a Winder/Enlow kind of move for a younger OF with control who can also play CF. Maybe a RH, maybe a switch if available. And they might not pull it off. But I think that's what they are trying to do. But I really, really don't want Wallner traded. I think that will come back to BITE US BIG TIME.

What do I want? I want Gallo and Kepler gone by 2024 and Larnach and Wallner as the corner OF producing far better than what we've gotten from the vets this year. And that's not a real high bar. Neither is expensive, neither is old, both have potential, and neither has been given an extended (healthy) look yet. That's what I want. But what's practical? Gallo should have already been gone as a failed experiment, letting either of Larnach or Wallner playing time. He should be gone by next week. Not only because he's been bad, not only for opportunity for a younger bat, but if the Twins want to add a RH OF, SOMEONE has to go to make room. After that, I just don't know. I'm glad Kepler has been much better since the break. He even looks like he's having fun out there. But do we really think this is the new and improved Kepler and he's going to maintain this going forward after a 2+ year consistent downturn? And does he fitnin for $10M in 2024? I'd rather move Kepler instead of Larnach, hoping someone bites on his hot streak, experience, and defense. But I also understand Larnach is behind Wallner now, and I understand all the reasons as to why it might be the beat time now to move him. But with Gallo gone, a trade of Larnach, and not even sure what version of Kepler we'd have next year, or if he'd even be back, the OF suddenly looks a little thin. Right package, something that helps the team in the long run, I can be on board with a Larnach trade. I may not like it, but I can see it. I just think moving Kepler makes better sense for the long term.

Trying to address the OP as much as possible, but having to make a couple additional comments just because: 1] Just CRAZY to look at the Gray trade, in retrospect, as being bad UNLESS he or the Twins win SOMETHING in the playoffs is just silly, and not an honest perspective. The same with the trades for Lopez and Mahle last year as well. Gray was good last year, and has been good this year. I don't think anyone expected J Lopez to maintain what he did the first half of 2022, but even with regression, he was talented and controllable. He was a 2 1/2yr controllable end of the pen addition that could make a difference. Who saw him just falling apart? Mahle was a solid SP with better results outside of Cincinnati and was under 30. And he looked good again to begin this year. Who predicted TJ surgery? Did these moves blow up? Absolutely. But these moves were made by a team having a good season and looking playoff bound. And AFTER the trades, the season collapsed, mostly due to injury. If you actually KNEW this was going to happen, please share your next Power Ball numbers because I want to play. BACK TO OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED OP: 2] The more I examine the move of J Lopez for Dylan Floro, the more I like it. I honestly hope the best for Lopez, his family, and his career. But the Twins moved an unusable arm...with potential still...for an experienced arm with a really solid, and experienced history of being a very solid 7-8th inning reliever. His ERA is higher than his career numbers, but so is his BABIP. Every other stat you look at says he's still the same solid, dependable arm he's been. And as I stated elsewhere, he might not be the reliever the Twins need the most, he's a reliever they need. Good, smart move that cost nothing off the roster, that didn't need to move on. 3] If I had a working crystal ball that said Thielbar and Stewart are going to be just fine, I think an arguement COULD be made that the pen is OK. Especially after adding the solid Floro. But I'm just going to play the "hope" game. Despite still "finding" himself, I really like the young Moran. He's just SO GOOD when the control is at least somewhat there. Long term, I think Funderburk has a chance to be good. And despite some inconsistency, I've seen enough of Headrick to think he's got a shot to be a really good pen arm. And forget St Paul, I'd have had him up the last month to see if he could to develop a vital role for this year and next. I think the FO blew an opportunity there, even though I like his future. Bullpen wise, I'd be looking for a LH arm right now to protect myself in case Thielbar has any further issues. And I remain surprised he is back this soon. I would have babied him another week or so for the long term. I'd look at a LH arm to compliment Thielbar and Moran. And then I'd look at another RH arm that I could feel comfortable with along with Jax, Floro, and hopefully Stewart. It's just too late in the season to trust in prospects at this point. I believe it is incorrect to state the Twins dislike rentals and prefer controllable arms. They have done that in the rotation, but Romo, Dyson, and Fulmer indicate that isn't a reality. They WILL do so if they think they get the right arm, but there is no definitive proof that is where they look. I'm OK if the snag someone on a deal that makes sense that has control. But the nice thing about a rental is they generally cost little to get, and can be re-signed if they are a good fit. Think about Romo a couple years ago. 4] I'm on record that I DON'T like trading one of our young LH OF because I DON'T feel they have had the opportunity to prove themselves. Gallo hasn't worked out. Period. Nice try FO, and I mean that sincerely! I love that Max has found some kind of magical difference since the AS break. And he's a perfectly solid ML player. But can he maintain? Is he actually part of 2024? Even as a fan, I have serious doubts. And the LAST THING I want the Twins to do is move Wallner. All he's done is rake at every single level and show, even in SSS, that he's got a potential ML bat. And let's not forget that Larnach's numbers aren't exactly BAD, and his development has been slowed by a couple of unfortunate injuries as well. But the Twins need a RH bat, OF, to help against LH pitching. I don't like moving an "asset" that is talented and stil projectible, but Larnach does seem to be the odd man out. Any RH OF bat...obviously in my mind...means Gallo is either traded to a contending team borderline desperate for a veteran LH bat hoping for a good 2 months, or is DFA. Good luck. But it's beyond time. There is still the 26 man and 40 man to consider. But is there a rental that comes cheap, that might be a re-sign for a solid RH OF bat? Or do the Twins dig deeper for a RH OF with control? Unfortunately, Larnach might be that guy. A LH for RH to a team might make sense. Maybe a Windef type of arm to make the deal work. I 5] I keep thinking about past bullpen arms the Twins traded for that cost next to nothing, albeit Lopez was different and just didn't turn out. And I keep thinking they can bring on another couple solid arms that they can potentially re-sign. But if they move a little more prospect wise, maybe ONE of their additions has control. And I'm OK with that too. Considering a lack of a solid, almost daily RH OF bat, I could see a sort of "swap" of LH vs RH OF bat for someone like Carlson or Thomas with an arm thrown in, OR, ....and I hate to say it...Miranda and his potential thrown in if said RH bat was young enough and still had upside. The last thing I want is for the Twins to decimate the system to add when their biggest problem is veteran players not producing and young players already showing they are ready to contribute and improve! But 2 more smart additions to the pen and a RH bat SHOULD be available to add without doing so. Up to the FO to show what they can do. NOT asking for magic, just some SMART moves that make sense.

I can see this from different perspectives. Most HS kids drafted late don't sign, unless you can blow them away with an offer, or there are other personal concerns with not wanting to go to school. And if they are someone like 20th pick this year, Ashton Larson, does $700K, or less, keep you away from LSU...one of the tip programs in the country...probably some NIL $, and a shot of developing in to a top 10, or 5 round talent in a couple of years? Now, in 2022, the Twins got highly touted HS SS Jankel Ortiz in the 16th round for about $125K. Everyone was just certain he was a flier and going to college. But coming off surgery, maybe he didn't want school. Maybe he felt the Twins would help hum rehab and develop better than college. Regardless, he signed. 20th rounder HS OF Korbyn Dickerson did not sign. I believe the Twins should "lose" the combined $2M from spending, taxes, and loss of tax sharing. I believe they can afford it...though I understand very $ does count at some point. But if $500K could bring in another top HS kid, or a college kid that is unsure, I believe you always take that shot. But I also find it odd to be overly concerned about the team not sacrificing the $2M total in for a couple 19th and 20th round choices. It sure looks like they've done a good job the past few years with choices as spending every dollar allotted to them. So I really can't complain. ONE LAST POINT: The Twins can still follow 19th rounder Sam Parker as he will be attending a JC. They can still sign him next spring, before the 2024 draft. But what I DON'T know is, would any signing $ come from the 2023 pool? Or from 2024? It would make more sense to me that a potential signing would still reflect on the 2023 number as that was when he was selected, and should have nothing to do with any upcoming 2024 draft Anyone know how that might work???

Not exactly exciting stuff, but a good and smart move for all involved. Really hope this helps "right" Lopez's life and career. Floro is not the arm they necessarily need, but he's one they can use. He replaces a potential IL or DFA arm that is unusable at the moment with a solid, experienced arm. A hole in the pen is now filled with a solid arm. That's a win in the short term. I wish we KNEW that Thielbar and Stewart were going to be just fine. If that were the case, I think you could almost make the argument to stand pat at the deadline, bullpen wise. But I think they are going to grab one solid arm, possibly two, but they will be more along the line of another Romo from a couple years ago. They want help, they want solid help, but they don't want to overpay for 2 months of someone, or overpay for a big name, or any high cost arm for an extended time. And I'm OK with that. Floro helps stabilize the pen. Stewart and Thielbar move the entire pen up a notch. But it's a bit of a gamble to trust in them at 100% at this point. So I am 100% on inexpensive rentals that are solid, and can help. And the thing about those rentals is, you can always re-sign them if the fit looks good.