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All very good points/questions Doc which is why we can't predict the future of this team with any certainty. The one I am most unsure of is Polanco. My guess would be he is gone if they get an offer if they like. It's a matter of when.
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Lessons Learned From the 2022 Trade Deadline
Major League Ready replied to Matt Braun's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
I have examined how the top producing players were acquired for almost every playoff team in the past 15 years. Trading for prospects or MLB players that have not yet become established is overwhelming more important than trading for established players, especially for teams that are not top 10 in revenue. I would agree with your approach in general but I definitely would not make it a steadfast rule. Taking advantage of selling like the Tampa, Oakland, Cleveland, and more recently Baltimore, can create a very deep pool of prospects. The Twins were very deep in good but not great prospects. They would have lost some players they wanted to keep had they not traded away several prospects. There are times when that pool of assets can and should be used to bolster the current roster.- 52 replies
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Lessons Learned From the 2022 Trade Deadline
Major League Ready replied to Matt Braun's topic in Twins Daily Front Page News
The Twins have traded away very few players of value at the deadline so what would you expect from trading Garcia and Dozier who was not much of a player when they traded him. They got tremendous value for Cruz and Escobar. They did not do well on Pressley and the Berrios trade is yet to be determined but does not look great.- 52 replies
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I remember quite a few of us hating the Sabato pick. Bobby Miller would have been a real nice pick.
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We are not that far apart. I am not suggesting a team should never add at the deadline. Far from it. Where we differ is that the investment should be made when a team has a reasonable chance at post season success. Of course, we have to define reasonable, and I did not think last year's team had a reasonable chance. Outside/national sources and betting lines would support their chances were not good. They were deep in decent but not great prospects that were going to make managing the 40 man difficult. Between that and the "there is always a chance" once you get in approach, I supported them adding last year just not how they did it. There were others here who supported rental RPs and not Mahle.
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Lessons Learned From the 2022 Trade Deadline
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And Duran say's how are you today!- 52 replies
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That can be done with pure rentals that don't cost as much and you don't have to give up on talented players. The Rays have clearly demonstrated the value giving players the appropriate opportunity. Look at the number of players contributing for several years on winning teams that were acquired at the deadline. How many of the players that brought big returns actually had an impact on playoff success. It's a suckers bet unless you are very close or you get lucky like Atlanta did and trade away nothing for players that got hot. Then look at Ryan and Duran which we got for a couple rentals that did absolutely nothing to improve the chances of the teams that traded them a way.
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There is no questioning they had a shot at the playoffs. It's entirely another thing as to if they can compete in the playoffs which is how I would define contending. This year the AL central could possibly be won at under 500. That's not a contender. Anything can happen but that's a poor management mantra. The results last year speak for themselves. That team was in 1st place but it was not a contender. Would they have been better off had they not invested in that team? The answer is very obvious. We can't rewrite history because as fans we want them to go all in at every opportunity. Baltimore ended up closer to a playoff spot than the twins. Yet, they chose to manage their assets for the long-term. Their result was much better.
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I could find blame in the front office because they invested heavily in 2022 when they were not a contender despite being in first place. They were questionable before all the injuries that happened before the deadline. This is the cost associated with investing in a team with little chance. It pleases fans immensely in the short-term but here were are. How much better off would we be had we kept Cano and the prospects we gave up. We would look pretty darn good with Duran / Cano / Thielbar / Jax / Stewart / Moran and Maeda in the BP.
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If we couldn't replace BB's production at DH, preserving him for that role would be quite important. However, is it unrealistic to believe one of Wallner/Larnach or Julien could produce equivalently in a DH role. If Buxton got hurt playing CF, we would put MAT back in a starting role and one of Wallner/Larnach or Julien is the DH. Buck over MAT is a big upgrade. Replacing Buck with one of the three mention not such a big downgrade at DH. Perhaps no downgrade at all.
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Miranda and Correa are in a tier of their own for me as the biggest disappointments. I put them above the others because they were supposed to be big contributors for the next several years. If Correa does not get it together he will stand alone because that investment could have gone and Lewis could have taken over at SS. Mahle is 1st in the next tier. How can getting absolutely nothing out of him be anything but a huge disappointment. Of course, we gave up some decent assets for him. The next two are quite debatable. It’s reasonable to conclude Gordon’s absence has given Castro a chance and he has been great. Vasquez has looked terrible at the plate but that’s not the primary reason he is here. I would have to go with Jorge Lopez at #4 because our inability to rely on him is a big problem. He started out great. Maybe his recent struggles are just a hick-up but I would go with Jorge Lopez at #4. # 5 could be Gordon / Vasquez or Kepler or even MAT. Taylor has been bad offensively the last month. His wRC+ since May 1st is 56.
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I think I heard they were going to activate Thielbar today. Stewart could go two days in a row. Of course, they have Jax and Lopez. Jax has been quite unlucky. I think he will be fine.
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Sure we should consider inherited runners. I could care less if they DFAed him today. The point is THIS YEAR he has done a decent job. Talking about years past in regard to relievers is of modest value. What he has done this year and what he will do going forward is what matters. I just think fans tend to frame these sorts of discussions in whatever form they like while ignoring what is actually happening. He has been decent and fans still want to persecute him for last year. Keep in mind a significant portion of the people here wanted Jeffers out a couple months ago. Bailey Ober was framed by many as a mediocre SP. Kirilloff was written off by many as well. The sky was going to fall if we didn't resign Correa, etc. The over reaction is a product of passion so it's not such a bad thing but it's a thing.
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Thanks. I noticed both Mathews and Lewis had very impressive K to BB ratios. It will be interesting to see how Lewis does with that knuckleball at higher levels. Obviously, a unique pitch mix in today's game.
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He has appeared in 21 games this year. He gave up 1 run in one game, 3 runs once, and 6 runs once. He walked two and gave up a 3 run homer in the game with 3 runs. No runs in the other 18 appearances. It's not too troubling if Pagan is your 7th or 8th guy out of the BP which he will be with Maeda and Thielbar back.
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Fort Meyers has 3 SPs that have been very good so far. Mathews / Culpepper and Lewis. Anyone have thoughts on which one has the best chance of making it to the ML level?
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I agree. My thought was that Mahle was unlikely to be a difference maker in the playoffs. He really was not even going to have a significant influence on making the playoffs. Varland and Ober have both pitched as well as we could have hope for from Mahle. So, what was the point. I have no problem with them trading away Steer and CES. My point was that Mahle was not what we needed. Don't get me wrong. A solid SP is always a plus but he did not move the needle much. It did not have to be a pitcher. I could have been a RP or a catcher or someone that could play CF in a similar role to MAT.
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No. The new team pays the prorated portion of league minimum.
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Twins Daily Hitter of the Month - May 2023
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What a great story for these guys. Lots of folks were cursing Jeffers and wanted Vasquez to get 80% of the starts. Many wrote Kirilloff off completely and the tigers obviously wrote Castro off. Welcome to Minnesota Willi.- 25 replies
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Baltimore had the same record last year. They were sellers instead of buyers and are better for it now. Looking at last years team as a contender required fanaticism not objective management. Nobody outside of Minnesota fans gave them any chance and the results speak for themselves. They had a modest chance at contending when the season started but they had none after being riddled with injuries. Being in first place is a poor measuring stick for ability to contend as proven again by this year's team. Would you spend more capital at this deadline if they continue to be this anemic offensively? They are after all in first place.
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The difference was that the rays had a legit contender. The Twins were a playoff team not based on the merit of their team but the futility of the others in the division. The Twins should have never been spending that much prospect capital for 1/2 a season when they really were not contenders and 1 additional season. I have no problem with them trading Steer and CES given their limitations but not for a short-term SP, especially one that was not the type of dominant SP needed in the playoffs.
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I was hoping we would have a shot at Langford but he is going 2nd or 3rd. He is hitting 400 with an OBP of .521 and more walks than Ks. His OPS is 1.343. I have been pissed about passing on Carroll for the past 4 years which grew in intensity with every year Cavaco floundered. That was the most impactful mistake this FO has made. Imagine him in CF instead of MAT. They better not get cute again. Take whichever of the 5 top guys is available. That is most likely Jenkins or Clark. Of course, there are surprises quite often so who knows. It also might help that we have a larger bonus pool the Rangers.

