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  1. Context is important here. I am not saying Gallo is great. I was responding to a post that rated him as the worst of all our off-season acquisitions. We gave up nothing in trade and it's a one year deal. It's hard for that type of deal to be terrible. I agree with you that OPS is sometimes suspect. I prefer wRC+. Gallo's rating there is 121. Jeffers and Kirilloff are 120 and Lewis is 132. Again, not trying to say he is great. I would be just fine with them cutting him tomorrow to bring up Wallner. I'm just saying no way was he the worst of all the off-season acquisitions.
  2. The only player on the team with 100ABs and a higher OPS than Gallo is Lewis. 99 ABs but close enough. He plays good D and 1st and corner OF. Plus, it's a one-year deal. How do you rank that last? I don't understand Vasquez 8th either. He is here to manage the pitching staff and play defense which he has done. Castro's OPS is 684 and his wRC+ is 93. It was 86 last year. What's the big surprise? I would rank him behind Stewart / Solano, Farmer and Lopez. I would rank him above Gallo because we have two more years of control for a pretty ideal bench player. BTW. Haniger was a much higher profile signing. He got 3/$43.5M and his OPS wRC+ is 40 points below Gallo.
  3. I see where you are coming from now. The guys with a real shot at making it are generally on the 40 man and shuttled between AAA which gives them a shot at making it. My thought was that the 40 man limitation makes the other guys available to teams that will give them a legit chance at a big league roster. It also forces teams to trade these assets like the Twins did with Steer last year. Maybe I am wrong but the current system seems like it forces redistribution of talent which is ultimately good for the players. This takes more thought than I have given it so I hold no real strong opinions on this one.
  4. If the odds were good for them, being blocked here would promote other teams trading for them. That could happen but you would have to conclude the entire league believes their odds of succeeding are low because they are still here. The CBA is not the problem. I am with you in spirit. They have given the ML team adequate opportunity. Switch it up. Find out if any of the guys tearing up AAA can do it here. DFA Gallo today and get Wallner up here and I would be fine with letting MAT go as well although he is not here for his bat. IL Buxton too. These changes would open up two 40 man roster spots. Hello Wallner and Williams.
  5. He has been really hot the last month where he is hitting .333 with an OPS of 1.086 and a wRC+ of 167. It's time to replace Mr. Gallo with Mr. Wallner.
  6. I have been saying Kenta was a trade chip since last off-season and there is a decent chance they move him. I am with you on Gray if the return is right but I don't think they will acknowledge this is not a contender and move him. There is the potential between Gray and Maeda to change our future. Sure, we can get a comp pick for Gray but I would much rather have a player that looks good at AA.
  7. Their career numbers are quite different than this year. Keirsey has stepped up. Will he keep it up? IDK but he has a higher ceiling IMO. Keirsey is the faster / more athletic OFer. He also has more power. He would be the better defensive replacement and late inning base running replacement. Let's hope this "break-out" is sustained.
  8. Ok. Fair enough but let's not forget the point. MANY pitchers struggle at first. Getting down on Varland or any other young pitcher because they are not dominant out of the gate ignores the history of many very good pitchers.
  9. Agree completely on the first 4. Getting value back and getting out of the Donaldson contract was a great trade. You can make the case they should not have signed Donaldson in the first place but that was a great trade.
  10. Cleveland has done a great job of getting major league ready or near ready talent in trades. They were not trading for 19 year old A ballers. For example, Rosario and Gimenez for Lindor. Clause for Kluber. Naylor and Quantrill for Clevinger, etc. They did the same thing in acquiring the pitchers you mentioned. I don’t see trading 2 months of Chin So Chin as a big price for 6 years of Trevor Bauer, especially given Cleveland won 68 games that year. Same thing with 2 months of Cliff Lee for Carlos Carrasco. Trades where you get 5-7 years of a Carrasco or Joe Ryan or Clause or Duran for 2 months of a player are a giant win for the team acquiring those prospects.
  11. Kluber / Carrasco / Bauer / Clevinger were all acquired as prospects. They rolled Kluber / Carrasco and Clevinger when they had a year left for Rosario / Gimenez / Quantrill / Allen and Naylor. Yes, Miami got Alcantara and Gallen in that trade for Uzuna. The A's got Bassit and Semien for Samardzija. Of course, the difference is that Cleveland never traded prospects for established pitching with the exception of Andrew Miller. The way Cleveland did it is much more sustainable that the way the current Twin's pitching staff was built. They have had a few low cost / high return acquisitions in Ryan / Duran / Thielbar / Odorizzi and Stewart.
  12. The Rays got nothing out of Cruz and we got 6 years of Joe Ryan. The Dbacks went nowhere with Escobar and we got 6 years of Duran. We got nothing out of Mahle and Lopez. Steer was the National League rookie of the month in May and CES is a top 5 bat in AAA. Of course, many of the other players we gave away could become very productive players and the examples go on and on. The vast majority of deadline acquisitions do not result in a post season success. Trading long-term assets for short-term assets is fanatical, certainly not logical. I heard the "wishful thinking" talk and insistence on the need to go for it so many times that I gathered the hard data in the form of acquisition method for top players for every 90 win team in the past 20 years. It's not that hard to determine how the best teams were built given all the tools we have available. The facts are very clear if you actually are willing to look at the actual construction of winning teams. The facts are that trading for prospects is overwhelming more important than trading for proven players, especially for teams outside the top 10 in revenue. Throwing good money after bad is never a good idea and this team presently is not worthy of investment for short-term gain.
  13. I did not realize Rodriguez was eligible and I forgot about Martin because I had already added him to my list. Nobody is taking Salas but you still have a point. There are quite a few possibilities.
  14. I see four guys that need to be protected for sure. Camargo, Severino, Prato, Soularie. Maybe Kiersey too given the position he plays. They could protect 2-3 others. Take your choice. If you could pick up a BP arm for one of the others that would be great. I don't see any of the others bringing an impact bat.
  15. Who are you thinking they can't protect? There are 7 players with expiring contracts. Plus, Celestino, Sands, and Henriquez could come off and be not much of a loss. There just are not that many players that need to be added next year that I see this being a problem. I guess you could trade the three I mentioned but that would not bring back anything that would make a difference.
  16. Time to invest in the future rather than throw away future assets on a short term run for a very mediocre team. Get Wallner and Larnach up here and invest in the development of long-term assets. Give Winder and Balazovic a shot too.
  17. I think the discussion on this and many other players demonstrates that those supporting a transition to younger talent recognize that most prospects won’t become superstars. However, we also recognize things that you are ignoring. The relative certainty of Kepler / MAT or Gallo is even lower. We know what they are and they are not the type of player that elevates a team. These players tenure here will be short. Therefore, they offer nothing to sustained winning. Prospects like Wallner at least have a shot at being difference makers. Young players cost far less which provides payroll dollars to be used on filling holes as they did with Vasquez. Recognizing these things leads to the understanding that nothing is more important to developing a winner than developing young talent. The greater the revenue disparity the more essential it is to develop young talent. We don’t think these prospects will all become superstars. We just recognizing for the reasons above that hanging on to mediocre veterans when you have good young talent ready is a very good strategy if the goal is to remain mediocre.
  18. I don't see the 40 man as being any problem. They have 7 expiring contracts and the only one among them I could see being resigned is Gray. There are 3 others (Sand / Henriguez and perhaps DeLeon) that would not be much of a loss. Martin and Enlow are the only two I can think of that need to be added but to be honest I have not looked yet. There are 43 guys on the 40 man and IL so they are going to have 7 open spots. I am sure there are a couple other beyond Martin and Enlow but it should not be a problem.
  19. Are you saying that it can't be proven that Buxton won't add 9 wins if he continues to play the same way?
  20. Agree on Gallo for sure. Not sure about Vasquez. I don't think Castro is the kind of player that brings much at the deadline. Plus, I really like the idea of having him on the bench for 2 more years. Polanco in due time. I am just not sure it's time yet. Of course, the right return could move up the right time.
  21. I think we mostly agree. Trading short-term assets for long-term assets is far more important to sustained winning than trading prospects for proven players, especially for teams in the bottom two-thirds in revenue. Joe Ryan and Jhoan Duran are examples on our team. They also need to balance winning in the present. It's a matter of how much do you invest or what type of returns do you forgo to win in the present. IMO, this team is not worthy of investment but I also would not sell off. The odds of them being truly competitive in the post season are very low. However, there is a small chance this roster comes together and they play competitive playoff baseball. For me that's not worthy of sacrificing much of the future but I would not totally give up on the present. Let's see what the situation looks like in 5 weeks and what type of offers we have for expiring contracts. Gray is the one guy likely to bring a return. He is also someone we will need to make a post season run which of course is why he would net a good return. We can make room by letting Kepler / Solano and Pagan go.
  22. It's not the perfect stat but you just can't admit that the premise Buxton will make a 9 win difference playing as he has is absolutely absurd!
  23. The FO view was that Buxton would produce as well or better than their other options at DH. That was a reasonable position when they made it, especially if the goal was to ease him back into a CF role. What is not a reasonable IMO is to look at what has actually happened and conclude the team is 3-5 games better off because of Buxton which is where this started. That's my only point and you want to make this about something else. I assume this is because you don't want to try to make the case that using the mid-point of your calculation would produce 9 WAR from a DH hitting exactly league average. Do you think it's reasonable to suggest that if Buxton's performance remains the same he will have been worth 9 WAR? Of course, the 9 WAR assumes a replacement level player took his place.
  24. Kepler will need to have a major bounce back before the team considers exercising his option. The chances he is here next year are very slim. Polanco just needs to be healthy. Larnach and Wallner are not going anywhere because they are needed now and the future. Celestino isn't bringing anything on trade. Miranda is the only one with any mystery in terms of what they do with him, IMO. I can't see them selling low on him. Over the next 6 weeks I expect they continue to audition Headrick / Winder and DeLeon. Then, as the deadline nears we shall see how these guys are doing and if the team is looking like they have any chance to make a post season run.
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